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| Saberoph | Aug 8 2015, 05:15 AM Post #1 |
 
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What are your current Multipliers and terminology for attacks and for Super Saiyan forms, well on everything? Also, if your normal Super Saiyan Multiplier decreases, how come it's decreased? What I mean terminology, well I call Super Saiyan God Saiyan God. That's my example lol. I'm really curious to see the responses for this one. |
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| MasashiHideaki | Aug 8 2015, 06:12 AM Post #2 |
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Well may i purely go by super saiyan forms? May i aswell go by evidences? First of all i go by the simple logic that the forms goes by the daizenshuu multiplier. Such as: 50x Base form - Super Saiyan. 100x Base form - Super Saiyan 2. 400x Base form - Super Saiyan 3. However, it's not merely the multiplier that is tricky, i would rather point out that it's the battle powers that are. Since in my theory battle power increases expontentially. An example could be, goku at a bp of 10 being bullet proof, that suddenly a huge expontential level where you see muten roshi's full powered kamehameha ( according to the guidebooks ) being 180, by that aspect i call it expontentially. And regarding SSG "multiplier", here is something before i point out what i believe it is:    We know for a fact that goku was comparing a heavily supressed beerus to a potara fusion vegetto. I might explain that later on but for now we go with this. Since i apply daizenshuu logic i also apply that battle power logic regarding how potara fusion works. 
So basically it's goku times vegeta's battle power. Theorically speaking if we use the last battle power during Freeza Saga. Then use goku's base form battle power which is 3.000.000 Assuming that vegeta's battle power is exactly the same, then it would be this: 3.000.000 x 3.000.000 = result Basically their base form get's 3 million times stronger by that very simple logic. So since goku compared vegito to a heavily supressed beerus, then afterwards when he became SSG he never imagined such powers existed, and that he wouldn't get it by the help of others nor would he get it in his entire life by himself. So the way i look at it is this: If Super Saiya-jin 3 is 400x Then looking at this ritual how it's performed: Basically you have 5 people around you meanwhile you are the 6th person. What if, the SSG battle power raised insanely like this? Fx Vegito is Goku's battle power x gokus battle power ( assuming vegeta's battle power is exactly the same as goku's base form ) Then SSG's multiplier would be this: Goku's Battle power x Goku's Battle power x Goku's Battle power x Goku's Battle power x Goku's Battle power x Goku's Battle power = result So that's how i see it though. So if potara fusion is Goku's battle power x goku's battle power, then SSG multipliers goku's own base form's battle power that much as i mentioned above. SSGSS on the other hand. I don't really believe that when toribot said the number 6 10 and 15, then it's merely % I believe that there is a huuuuuuge difference between 6 10 and 15 I am speaking of big numbers. Let's say SSGSS is 8, but let me explain how these number systems work's like. every number's represents 10x stronger. So 6 = 1x 7 = 10x 8 = 100x Basically SSGSS is 100x stronger than SSG Or that's going by my logic. So what do you think? |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Aug 8 2015, 12:37 PM Post #3 |
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Uh, have you seen Resurrection F? Beerus and Whis are still stronger than Goku and Vegeta, so SSGSS most certainly isn't 100 times stronger than SSJ God. Hell, the way Goku explains SSGSS, it isn't any stronger than SSJ God. It's described as Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God.
Sorry, but that can't work. Whis claimed Beerus had to use 70% of his power to beat Goku:
Anyway: Oozaru: 10 times base Kaioken: X times base.(X = number of times it is stacked) Super Saiyan: 50 times base Super Saiyan Grade 2: 1.5 times Super Saiyan Super Saiyan Grade 3: 1.5 times Super Saiyan Grade 2 Legendary Super Saiyan: 2 times Super Saiyan, the user’s energy is constantly flowing Super Saiyan Full Power: 50 times base. Note, the user can freely control their battle power. Super Saiyan 2: 2 times Super Saiyan Full Power/100 times base Super Saiyan 3: 4 times Super Saiyan 2/400 times base Super Saiyan God: 8,000,000 times base Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan(SSGSS): 50 times base, after absorbing Super Saiyan God. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Aug 8 2015, 12:42 PM.
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| Notaka | Aug 8 2015, 12:41 PM Post #4 |
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Where did you come up with the 8,000,000 multiplier? And by absorbing Super saiyan god you don't mean the full power.(as in SSGSSJ Goku is 50x times stronger than SSJG Goku) since goku is still weaker than beerus. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Aug 8 2015, 12:43 PM Post #5 |
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No, I believe base Goku's power was slowly decreasing, and it had to be maintained with Super Saiyan. As for the 8,000,000 times multiplier, it's actually a reference Shinto belief that there are 8,000,000 gods  .
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| Notaka | Aug 8 2015, 12:45 PM Post #6 |
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Oh okay,I get what you mean. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Aug 8 2015, 12:52 PM Post #7 |
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^Just to point out, Kaioken isn't a transformation. For me: Oozaru= 10x Base Unmastered Super Saiyan= 50x Base Super Saiyan grade 2= 2x SSj Super Saiyan grade 3= 3x SSj Full power Super Saiyan= 20x Base Super Saiyan 2= 3x FPSSj Super Saiyan 3= 5x SSj2 Super Saiyan God= 5x SSj3 True Super Saiyan God= 10x SSj God After Super Saiyan is mastered (or full power is reached), I believe that amps return for attacks. The scaled back base line power in a transformation allows a Saiyan to relax better, therefore the form can be used whenever, while still putting out the same power as an unmastered form (due to amps). Less power is lost over duration of the fight due to less being burned off on the transformation itself. My term for SSGSS is True Super Saiyan God. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Aug 8 2015, 12:52 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Aug 8 2015, 12:55 PM Post #8 |
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| + Six Trails | Aug 8 2015, 01:28 PM Post #9 |
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Great Ape- 10x base Kaioken- X times base Super Saiyan- 50x base Super Saiyan Grade 2- 100x base (2x Super Saiyan) Super Saiyan Grade 3- 250x base (2.5x Super Saiyan Grade 2 / 5x Super Saiyan) Super Saiyan 2- 250x base (5x Super Saiyan) Super Saiyan 3- 2,500x base (10x Super Saiyan 2 / 50x Super Saiyan) False Super Saiyan- 50x base Legendary Super Saiyan- 125x base (2.5x Super Saiyan) Super Saiyan God- dependent on the Saiyans in the ritual Super Saiyan (GT)- 2.5x base Super Saiyan 2 (GT)- 3.125x base (1.25x Super Saiyan) Super Saiyan 3 (GT)- 6.25x base (2x Super Saiyan 2 / 2.5x Super Saiyan) Golden Great Ape = Super Saiyan 4- dormant power unlock Any form of Fusion- plot dependent Kamehameha (Saiyan arc)- 2.22x -Kamehameha (Saiyan arc; +Kaioken)- 1.125x Kamehameha (Cell and Boo arc)- 3x Makankosappo- 3.25x Gekiretsu Kodan- 3.3x Gyarikku Ho- 1.5x Big Bang Attack- 1.2x Final Flash- 5x Mouth Blast (Evil Boo)- 1.1x Super Ghost Kamikaze Attk- 2x Edited by Six Trails, Aug 8 2015, 04:17 PM.
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| + Sandy Shore | Aug 8 2015, 01:54 PM Post #10 |
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I never understood why Super Saiyan 4 would be an unlock of sorts. Surely Goku has no locked or dormant power? He reached his potential a long, long time ago, and has just been improving himself ever since. The same goes for Vegeta. They get stronger because they never stop pushing their limits - not because they've anything hidden inside them. I suppose it saves them having to put a number on it. |
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| Saberoph | Aug 8 2015, 04:16 PM Post #11 |
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Yeah, it's just Multipliers in general...it doesn't have to be exclusive to Transformations. Here are mine, but I'm breaking them up so they don't look so confusing. Kaioken: Whatever amp Kakarrot is using. Great Ape: x10. Genkai Dama: Saying dependent on Plot is the easy answer, but I don't do easy...I like to find an answer. I think it depends on the planet's current population and how much Ki the user has left. Imperfect Cell Arc: Super Saiyan Transformation Multiplier: x35 Base. Super Saiyan Full Power: x50 Base. Super Saiyan Grade 2: 1.5. Super Saiyan Grade 3: 1.75. Cell Games: Super Saiyan Transformation Multiplier: x20 Base. Vegeta and Trunks. Super Saiyan Transformation Multiplier: x10 Base. Gohan and Kakarrot. Super Saiyan Full Power: x50 Base. All SS'. Ascended Super Saiyan (SS2): x4 SS. Boo Arc: Super Saiyan Transformation Multiplier: x5 Base. Kakarrot and Vegeta. Super Saiyan Transformation Multiplier: x10 Base. Gohan, Goten and Trunks until the Budokai, then it's x5. Super Saiyan Full Power: x50 Base. Ascended Super Saiyan: x4. Super Saiyan 3: x6. Fusion Dance: x50. Potara: x70. Rival Boast: x10. Movies: Legendary Super Saiyan: x2.5. New Stuff: Saiyan God: x500. Super Saiyan God: x50 Base. GT. Baby Arc: Super Saiyan Transformation Multiplier: x1.5. Super Saiyan Full Power: x50. Ascended Super Saiyan: x4. Super Saiyan 3: x6. Super Great Ape: x60 Base. Super Saiyan 4: x10 x50 x4 x4 x?. Not sure what would go next, but it's obviously something, since Super Great Ape is Great Ape and SS, then Pan remarks on Kakarrot's Power keeps growing, and even then Baby knows Kakarrot's Ki, but when he becomes a SS4 Baby can no longer recognize his Ki anymore, which gives me reason to believe there's another unknown Multiplier going from SGA to SS4. Terminologies: Great Ape. Genkai Dama. Special Beam Cannon. Saiyan. Kakarrot. Vegetto. Freeza. Final Explosion. Ki-Enzan. Light Grenade. I know I'm missing a lot, but that's all off the top off my head right now. Edited by Saberoph, Aug 8 2015, 11:26 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Aug 8 2015, 04:19 PM Post #12 |
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I just go by the SEG multipliers. And I also would've preferred if ssj God was just saiyan God and the ssjgssj was ssj God or God ssj |
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| Sjk8 | Aug 8 2015, 04:43 PM Post #13 |
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SSGSS is not even 2x base Goku/Vegeta's forms in FnF. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Aug 8 2015, 04:53 PM Post #14 |
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Unlikely considering Goku says this:
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| + Kaboom | Aug 8 2015, 05:11 PM Post #15 |
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Let's see here... Oozaru / Great Ape: Base x10. Straight from the manga. The form's size almost certainly gives it a lot of extra physical strength on top of the battle power. Kaio-Ken: Base power x the stated Kaio-Ken number. The narrator says the normal Kaio-Ken doubled Goku's power, so I guess it and the KKx2 are the same thing. False Super Saiyan: Either 25x or 50x. I'm kind of undecided on this one. It could be somewhat less powerful than a full-fledged Super Saiyan transformation, or it could be just as strong but less effective because it's wild and fleeting. Super Saiyan: Base power x50. As can be inferred from Goku's fight with Freeza, and officially stated just about everywhere. I've yet to be presented any reason good enough to believe that it ever increased or decreased. Full-power Super Saiyan doesn't grant any more or less power, but is more effective in battle because there's less strain on the Saiyan and they can fight harder without any extra energy waste. Super Saiyan Grade 2: Base x75 (SS1 x1.5). This form's got an official name, but no official multiplier. I've settled on halfway between SS1 and SS2. Strong enough that the form has impact and is worth using, but still not as good as the optimal and preferable SS2. Super Saiyan Grade 3: Base x100 (SS1 x2). I like to think this form's power is the same as Super Saiyan 2, because both forms are tapping into the same pool of "beyond Super Saiyan" power. But since Grade 3 does so in a flawed way before the Saiyan's body is prepared for it, it brings serious drawbacks. "Legendary" Super Saiyan: Base x100 (SS1 x2). Same kind of deal as Grade 3. It's some weird mutated version of it that's exclusive to Broli, and stems from him having a lot of surging power but being too crazy to train to channel it properly. He's extremely bulky, but somehow seems to gain height as well, therefore keeping most of his speed. Super Saiyan 2: Base x100 (SS1 x2). Official name, official boost. Unlike some others I've never had a problem making this work. Super Saiyan 3: Base x400 (SS2 x4). Another official boost. Back when the SEG first revealed it I thought it was too large, but that didn't last long. Fusion Dance: (A+B) x Plot. I don't believe in any set boost for any form of Fusion, really. Goten and Trunks' Fusion into Gotenks didn't seem as impressive as expected or all that effective without Super Saiyan 3, whereas Gogeta is treated as hot stuff second only to Vegetto. I don't think "math" has very much at all to do with the outcome of Fusion. Potara Fusion: (A+B) x Plot + X. Basically, the only thing for sure about Potara is that, all else being equal, it's stronger than the Fusion Dance. I'm fond of a fan-theory that says even though similarity isn't required like for the Fusion Dance, similar individuals still make better Potara Fusions. Super Saiyan God: ??? Absolutely no good way to tell. All we've been told is that, on some level, the power of Super Saiyan God depends on the power of the Saiyan being turned into one. But I'd wager that the result has just as much if not more to do with the Saiyan's power being "converted" to something godly than with any straightforward "multiplier." Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan: Same as Super Saiyan God. Goku plainly tells us "this is a Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God." It's little more than just using the former to effectively channel the power of the latter. Golden Oozaru: Base x500 (SS1's 50 x Oozaru's 10). Super Saiyan 4 is pretty hard to pin down, but I don't see any reason why Gold Oozaru can't be something arbitrary but constant. Super Saiyan 4: ??? For my GT rewrite fanfic and my own head-canon that goes along with it, both Gold Oozaru and Super Saiyan 4 are simply 10x stronger than the Saiyan's highest Super Saiyan form. But there's no way something so simple and consistent could work with the original GT. Instead, I'm fine with the idea that SS4 is some sort of on-the-spot unlock of dormant power, and that's probably the only way to make any sense of its power increase seeming to wildly change with every use. ...Did I miss anything? Edited by Kaboom, Aug 8 2015, 06:49 PM.
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