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| jacobgong | Aug 2 2015, 08:00 AM Post #1 |
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I used to be a huge Dragonball fan, since I was probably around 14. I watched all the anime (obviously), read all the manga and watched most of the movie. I didn't watch all the movies mostly because they're kind of inconsistent, like when Vedel was somehow ablate fight along with the Saiyans... Anyway, I haven't been into DBZ for years, until recently there have been all these talk about new movies, new series and everything, and I'm seeing all these DB videos on Youtube, watched a couple of them and I just got confused, I'm like, what'd I miss in the past ten years? Generally I find some of the viewpoints from these videos strange. Obviously this isn't a debate thread, so I just wanted to have some general understanding of how the community is going, and what are people's views on these topics. 1. Goku's instant transmission somehow makes him faster in fights? Especially with this new Superman vs. Goku Deathbattle thing. People keep talking about it. Like I said, don't wanna debate that here. But I thought it was pretty obvious that the Instant Transmission technique isn't something you can just use in combat to make yourself faster. It's a trick you could do the first time to surprise your opponent, like when he used it against Perfect Cell. It's got several drawbacks like you need to concentrate, it takes time to find your opponent's ki, and you can only teleport to some source of ki. But these guys on youtube keep talking about it as if it makes Goku superluminal or something. Yea if Goku is trying to race someone across great distances, and there's someone with a strong power level right beside the finish line, he could use it to win the race. But I never thought it would be a practical combat technique. 2. Goku being faster than light. If that were true, they would've been able to circle the planet several times in a second. But we see throughout the series that they are far from being able to do that. I think this is actually pretty consistent as we see in the new series even Beerus can't fly through space to other planets, why? because it would take forever. Instead that other guy whatever his name is, takes him on this special technique which is obviously distinct from just regular flight, or bukoujutsu, and is obviously way faster. BTW I'm not totally convinced that this is in fact slower than Goku's instant transmission. My interpretation is that It is merely because the place Beerus lives is so removed from the universe we're familiar with, that it takes half an hour. Moving anything within the DBZ universe would be pretty much the same as instant transmission. Also Goku being a "regular saiyan", without any kind of special powers like the Speed Force, going light speed would have serious physical consequences I'd imagine. I think it's just that scientifically ignorant people naturally think that oh the next step of super sonic is super luminal. No it's not. Sound is like, 1000 times faster than you, but light is 1,000,000 times faster than sound. And for the millionth time, you can't go faster than light just with lots of power, no amount of power can get you there. Some kind of special supernatural technique or force is needed even for fictional characters. Ki is clearly taken as a physical force. 3.Super Saiyan God having any kind of power boost, or power multiplyer. I think it is quite obvious from the movie, that this is not the case. We see Beerus beat SS3 Goku without having any ki auroras around him. We see that when he fights SSG Goku, they don't actually endanger much of the planet, even though somebody as weak as Freezer can easily destroy Earth, and they had to fight Kid Buu on that other planet that was much more durable. We see in the first failed SSG transformation, Goku said that he got stronger but it won't beat Beerus, from his tone of voice (in Japanese) it's quite obvious that what he needed was not power/energy. We see that even when Goku lost his God transformation he could still fight Beerus, wven though any other power transformation so far would loose their effect when the transformation expires. We see Goku and Beers fly into space and fight in space, even though Saiyans can't breath in space. Sure it could be just for effect like when Freezer blew up planet Vegeta there were Saiyans flying in space. But I think these are all hints, or more like, evidences. That the Super Saiyan God transformation is simply not a power up. Yet I see all these Youtube videos talking about like oh SSG gives you a 20,000x power boost, it makes Goku faster than Superman. I just don't understand what is not to get here. If It really was a power up, then why are the other Z fighters able to keep up to their fight? Why is their space ship able to keep up? Why have they not blown up the planet even though just a regular ki last from Kid Buu blew up Earth? In fact I have another theory, at least a theory of what the writers are going for here. Obviously this is not what Toriyama had in mind back then, it's a posterior theory or explanation. Basically, all the Gods in DBZ worked this way, like Beerus. They're not all that strong, but they have this godly status that basically magnifies their power against regular beings. Explains why characters like Kaio-shin don't show all that much combat prowess even though they're supposed to be way stronger than Freezer. Cleary, DBZ character power levels are already way too bloated and don't serve stories well. Even in GT they knew this and made bad attempts at powering them down with the kid Goku thing (but then they had to power him back up with the SS4 thing...). I think this has to be a chance they took to power down, if you just look at the level of destruction in Battle of Gods, it's about on par with Freezer saga. And that's what I'd put Beerus and SSG Goku's "power level" at when it comes to physical destruction. But their godly status will of course enable them to easily beat guys like Super Perfect Cell or Majin Buu without any difficulty or additional transformations. 4. People taking about Goku using Kaio-ken in the Freezer saga, but only giving him 3-4x multiplyers? Isn't it clear as day that by this time he's using 10x, 20x, and 40x Kaio-ken? 5.I even saw a video discussing what gives a character lighting, I mean seriously are these guys just finding excuses to make videos so they can make money off of ads or what? Isn't it obvious that the lightning is just a sigh of power level? Like when you reach a power level you get the lightning? That's why Super Perfect Cell gets it even he's not Saiyan? That's why Goku and Vegeta are sometimes shown without it even in SS2 forms because they're like you know, tired and not at full blast so they don't have the power level to generate the lightning? Edited by jacobgong, Aug 2 2015, 08:12 AM.
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| + Ryebrid | Aug 2 2015, 11:04 AM Post #2 |
 
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Word of advice: Don't take DBZ-Tuber's seriously. They're mostly very ill-informed and have only watched the anime, biased, or have an inept understanding of the manga. Just look at the comments left by their viewers and you'll see majority of people still think Kid Boo is stronger than Boohan and that SSJ3 Goku could beat Ultimate Gohan because he's more skilled, etc etc. I've seen some real outlandish claims. If you ever have any burning questions in need of answers or need to be refreshed; find a respectable forum....like..uh... I hear this place called DBZF is.. uh... pretty cool. But seriously the people here have been debating/ studying the manga/show for years(myself included) and I think collectively we have a pretty (damn) good idea on all things DBZ related. You'll learn a lot if you stick around. You seem pretty clued in already. I would answer your questions, but I think they would be better appreciated if you refined them and made them into separate threads for discussion. Edited by Ryebrid, Aug 2 2015, 12:00 PM.
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| Saberoph | Aug 2 2015, 11:31 AM Post #3 |
 
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Yeah, most people on YouTube have no idea what they're talking about. I agree with Hybrid 100% there's a lot of knowledge and experience floating around on this site. I'm not the most knowledgeable but I've been on message forums for about 12 years now, that's longer than my retail career...it sure doesn't feel that long. When I started this journey I had only seen the Anime and had no idea what a Manga was, but my eyes were opened real quick. But you can just ask away and between all of us around here, and I know your questions will be answered. There's a lot of great and knowledgeable people around here, who know what they're talking about. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Aug 2 2015, 12:20 PM Post #4 |
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I'm confused by your confusion regarding Super Saiyan God. Super Saiyan God is stronger than Goku's Super Saiyan 3 form so it obviously has some dramatic increase in power.
Or he needed more energy...?
Goku didn't technically lose it. Beerus was quite clear in that Goku absorbed it's power. As for Goku breathing in space, he wasn't. Goku can survive in space for a period of time.
For the same reason Earthlings can watch Goten, Trunks, and No. 18 fight at the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai. The spaceship can keep up because Goku and Beerus aren't covering a lot of distance. DBZ characters have to expand their energy to cover large distances. If they aren't focused on the destruction of a celestial body, their not gonna destroy a planet because their energy is condensed.
That doesn't make any sense. Beerus is stated to be the strongest being in the history of Z, and Goku states Super Saiyan God is a power he could never get to on his own because of how incredible it was. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Aug 2 2015, 12:24 PM.
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Aug 2 2015, 02:59 PM Post #5 |
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I will extend this DBZ YouTuber "ignorance bubble" to the "ignorance bubble" of the users at the DB Wiki as well. Both of these locations are crawling with "fans" who have not invested much of their own time into researching the series, and only opt to watch the dubbed version of the anime, therefore they are (usually) horribly misinformed. I usually avoid debate with these people all together because arguing with these folks is like arguing with a lawn chair. You shake it too hard, and it folds up and snaps at you. Just remember, with these people: Goku is strongest, Broly is as strong as SSj3 Goku, and Kid Boo was the strongest Boo. All claims which are just plain wrong. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Aug 2 2015, 03:02 PM.
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