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Goku Gained Nothing Over 3 Year Training Session
Topic Started: Jul 31 2015, 05:40 AM (2,628 Views)
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@Anthonest: Here's the thing...SS power is Base power and Kakarrot was shown to increase his Base power after the Three years of Training. If his Base never increased after Frieza, then tell me why he was stronger than Trunks when they met and why while not being at full power when powering up in front of Korin, if he's powering up to his SS max which is x50 Base, but if he's not at full power then his Base must have increased...since he wasn't 100% of his power there, then later his powers up to his full power, which means he wasn't x50 his Base during the Ten day wait for the Cell Games...unless you're saying his Base dropped back down to his Frieza levels before Boo for no reason.

So in short...it makes no sense for his Base to still be on his Frieza level after all the increases that's been stated.
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The only evidence that's been presented in this thread came from V-Jump. All you have to do is write it off as gibberish (which it is) and then everything's fine. Kilis have no known correlation to battle power. They were only invented as a means for Babidi to figure out that he's in over his head. If Toriyama had any battle power numbers in mind for anyone past the Freeza arc, we'd have heard them by now.

The problem with this is that if Goku in the Boo Arc is 150 million, and Goku in the Freeza Arc is 150 million, how? How? He didn't get any stronger in any way. If the multiplier increased, he'd still be above 150 million. How does he go from being weaker than Android #18 to surpassing Vegeta, who is at least around 2nd form Cell's level without increasing his battle power in any way?
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Anthonest
Jul 31 2015, 05:40 AM
According to the Buu saga Goku's SSJ power is still 150,000,000
Anthonest
Jul 31 2015, 06:21 AM
according to a 2004 issue of DBZ from V-Jump, 1 Kili = 50,000 PL. 3000(Kili) times 50,000 = 150,000,000, my SSJ default power level, we can see that this is correct.
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Jul 31 2015, 05:40 AM
2. Instead of training his base form he trained his transformation form increasing the multiplier of SSJ rather than increasing his base strength for the form TOO multiply. Which means that instead of the SSJ doing a x50 to base after the 3 years he trained it to be somewhat like a x75 base or something. Its unheard of, but it would explain all of ... this.
Base form getting weaker is a possible explanation? Wat.

In any case, it's pretty much outright stated that Goku gained power over the three years seeing as how he's willing to try his hand at fighting androids that would've otherwise killed him had he not trained and thereby increased his power level for this whole shebang. Would be kinda stupid of him to go fight if he's still barely stronger than Freeza.
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It wouldn't make any sense if Goku didn't increase his power from Namek. Trunks squashed Freeza, the tyrant being at full power or not being irrelevant to the outcome, and Goku was a step or two ahead of him. Then Goku as a dying old man was stated to be much stronger than he was when Trunks sodomized Freeza. There's no way around that.
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If 1 Kili = 50,000 BP and Base Goku was around 800 (iirc), his base power would be around 40,000,000, which is over 13x what it was on Namek.
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Kilis are nothing but an exaggeration. It just means "helluva lot of battle power."

Don't take Kilis so seriously.
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Meanwhile, the battle power section in a 1989 issue of Weekly Shounen Jump, which has no seal of approval from Toriyama, is placed beneath it, as is a 1990 issue of V-Jump.

Anything V-Jump has published regarding battle powers has never been approved by Toriyama. Beyond that, to suggest Goku's Super Saiyan battle power hasn't increase at all, is to ignore everything from the Trunks arc to the Majin Boo arc.
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Theres so much evidence of Goku improving in each time period. Yet you're dropping all of that because of that one kili line?
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Jul 31 2015, 05:40 AM
The beginning of the Android saga made no sense. Goku's base power before the 3 years, is 3,000,000 (It should be more because of the Zenkai boost from fighting Freiza but the evidence proves that he got not boost) meaning the SSJ multiplier is x50, making his final SSJ power 150,000,000, makes sense so far. After the 3 years Goku increased his power, therefor the SSJ multiplier should have much more strength, probably like 250,000,000 ....But no.

According to the Buu saga Goku's SSJ power (Not FPSSJ, I made another topic explaining he went regular SSJ not FPSSJ here) is still 150,000,000, meaning Goku's base power level is STILL 3,000,000. From this we can infer Goku made no improvements to his base form over the 3 and 7 year periods, sounds crazy? Yes but the facts say otherwise. SO there is two possible explanations for this atrocity:

1. Multipliers are bulls***

2. Instead of training his base form he trained his transformation form increasing the multiplier of SSJ rather than increasing his base strength for the form TOO multiply. Which means that instead of the SSJ doing a x50 to base after the 3 years he trained it to be somewhat like a x75 base or something. Its unheard of, but it would explain all of ... this.

All of this adds up to the fact that Goku never really increased his strength in other world, he used his time trying to ascend to SSJ2 and 3 rather then increasing his power. Does anybody else have a good explanation? Im still confused.
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SSJ Vegito>Buuhan>Buutenks>Gohan(post unlock)>Gotenks ssj3>Super Buu>SSJ gotenks (post training)>base gotenks(post training)>ssj gotenks (pre training)>kid buu>~ Goku ssj3> Majin Buu>> Grey Buu> Good Buu>Majin ssj2 Vegeta~ ssj2 goku>ssj2 kid gohan(cell games)>ssj goku (buu saga)~ ssj Vegeta(post majin)>kid gohan ssj(cell saga )>Teen gohan ssj ~ ssj goku (cell saga)>Trunks ssj(buu saga)>ssj vegeta (post second trip)> goten ssj > trunks ssj (post second trip)>Assj vegeta > assj trunks> semi perfect cell> android 16>~ imperfect cell>>piccolo(post kami)>SSJ VEGETA( ANDROID ARC)> HEALTHY SSJ GOKU (ANDROID ARC)>piccolo(pre kami android arc)> android 20 (absorbed)> android 20 > android 19 (absorbed)>android 19 (initial)~SSJ GOKU (ANDROID ARC SICK)~ SSJ GOKU POST YARDRAT> SSJ GOKU NAMEK = 150 000 000



Son I see a DAMN HUGE gap between buu saga ssj goku and ssj goku namek.

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Jul 31 2015, 07:31 AM
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Jul 31 2015, 07:26 AM
I'm confused. Is OP saying post-RoSaT Trunks, Vegeta, Semi-Perfect Cell, and Androids 16, 17, 18 are all weaker than Namek Freeza?

And this doesn't even begin to cover issues like Babidi choosing Base Saiyans over Piccolo, Base Vegeta confident in winning the tournament etc.
I haven't said anything about the villains what so ever.
I didn't say you did. What you did say is Goku not getting stronger. If Boo-arc Goku = Namek Goku, then Namek Goku can one-shot Semi-Perfect Cell, meaning Freeza can too.

This is absurd.
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Jul 31 2015, 07:31 AM
Let's not make a habit out of mocking the original poster in any case on the forum. If you don't agree with something, simply disagree with it and move on. Sarcasm like I've seen in this thread is more or less just a mocking technique.

Most of us agree that V-Jump makes up their numbers and statements, try to use coherent wording to get your point across.
This is not a matter of a difference of opinion, this is a matter of the OP being utterly and completely wrong. What Anthonest is saying is equivalent to believing bears, lions, and elephants can shoot beams of happiness out of their abdomens because the evidence is Care Bears.
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