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| Anthonest | Jul 31 2015, 05:40 AM Post #1 |
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The beginning of the Android saga made no sense. Goku's base power before the 3 years, is 3,000,000 (It should be more because of the Zenkai boost from fighting Freiza but the evidence proves that he got not boost) meaning the SSJ multiplier is x50, making his final SSJ power 150,000,000, makes sense so far. After the 3 years Goku increased his power, therefor the SSJ multiplier should have much more strength, probably like 250,000,000 ....But no. According to the Buu saga Goku's SSJ power (Not FPSSJ, I made another topic explaining he went regular SSJ not FPSSJ here) is still 150,000,000, meaning Goku's base power level is STILL 3,000,000. From this we can infer Goku made no improvements to his base form over the 3 and 7 year periods, sounds crazy? Yes but the facts say otherwise. SO there is two possible explanations for this atrocity: 1. Multipliers are bulls*** 2. Instead of training his base form he trained his transformation form increasing the multiplier of SSJ rather than increasing his base strength for the form TOO multiply. Which means that instead of the SSJ doing a x50 to base after the 3 years he trained it to be somewhat like a x75 base or something. Its unheard of, but it would explain all of ... this. All of this adds up to the fact that Goku never really increased his strength in other world, he used his time trying to ascend to SSJ2 and 3 rather then increasing his power. Does anybody else have a good explanation? Im still confused. |
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| + Pyrus | Jul 31 2015, 06:01 AM Post #2 |
 
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 Where are you getting these power levels from? |
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| Anthonest | Jul 31 2015, 06:21 AM Post #3 |
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Im very surprised you haven't figured this out for yourself yet. We will start from the top. In the Buu saga Babidi states Goku's power it 3000 Kili's (Im certain you don't want a source for this, i mean, you have seen DBZ right?), according to a 2004 issue of DBZ from V-Jump, 1 Kili = 50,000 PL. 3000(Kili) times 50,000 = 150,000,000, my SSJ default power level, we can see that this is correct. Furthermore 150,000,000 divided by 50(SSJ Multiplier) equals 3,000,000, Goku's base power level, this one ALSO matches my PL in this post. Now if you want me to prove to you that his PL was the same here as it was in the Freiza saga, the Daizenshuu 7 states that while fighting Freiza before he went SSJ his power level was 3,000,000, and if you payed attention to the math above his PL was the same during the Buu saga. You see? Its just simple math. 
Edited by Anthonest, Jul 31 2015, 06:25 AM.
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| Saberoph | Jul 31 2015, 06:32 AM Post #4 |
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You are aware that from the Cell Games and on Super Saiyans have been able to power up after Transforming, and Kakarrot boasted out more power then before Yakon drained his energy. Also he trained with Piccolo, then later we see in a Panel SS Kakarrot Training with Piccolo. Also last time I checked SS power is Base power and there isn't some magical number added to SS after Transforming...it's just Times 50 and I don't follow it, but Times 50 is heavily debatable in the Boo arc. |
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| FutureProtagonist | Jul 31 2015, 06:39 AM Post #5 |
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V-Jump is making things up. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Jul 31 2015, 06:49 AM.
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| Anthonest | Jul 31 2015, 06:39 AM Post #6 |
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False. The Daizenshuu 2 states Yakon devours 'Light', not energy. Also the Z fighters watching Goku never made any statement that he was eating Goku's energy, also his 'power up' to defeat Yakon was him going SSJ2 for a split second, that's why Vegeta was impressed, he wouldn't be if it was just SSJ because he already knows the full extent of Goku's SSJ powers. Yes I know Goku trained with Piccolo, but I don't see where your going with it, i've already demonstrated with evidence from the Buu saga that Goku's base power did not improve with him training with Piccolo. |
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| Saberoph | Jul 31 2015, 06:44 AM Post #7 |
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Then show me a scan that states that his training for the Three years didn't increase his power. Also, the Call Games and the energy Kakarrot was putting out before his SS2 burst says you're wrong. |
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| TheGmGoken | Jul 31 2015, 06:52 AM Post #8 |
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Goku was 3 million on Namek. Trunks > Namek Goku. Goku > Trunks Cyborg Vegeta > Cyborg Goku Post ROSAT Goku > Post ROSAT Vegeta Namek Goku = Cell games-Boo Goku Lolwut Edited by TheGmGoken, Jul 31 2015, 06:53 AM.
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| Saberoph | Jul 31 2015, 06:54 AM Post #9 |
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@GM: Yeah that logic doesn't add up. @Future: Doesn't V Jump make up a lot of crap? |
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| Anthonest | Jul 31 2015, 06:56 AM Post #10 |
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I don't need to show you a 'scan' I already proved to you in my above post that his base PL was the same in the Freiza saga as it was in the Buu saga, proving that he didn't improve his base power over the 3 or the 7 year gap. Honestly, do you even understand my argument? The power he was putting out in the cell games was when he was a FULL POWER SUPER SAIYAN, ive already proved that Goku did not go FPSSJ when Babidi read his power level but just regular SSJ, the power he put out as a FPSSJ during the Cell Games is irrelevant. |
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| Anthonest | Jul 31 2015, 06:57 AM Post #11 |
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Im not saying you're wrong, but V-Jump is more credible than you and Toriyama as far as I know hasn't said anything wrong about V-Jump |
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| Anthonest | Jul 31 2015, 06:58 AM Post #12 |
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"Lolwut" was the exact same thing I thought at the end of reading your comment. I didn't understand a word you said. |
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| TheGmGoken | Jul 31 2015, 07:02 AM Post #13 |
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V-Jump also had Gogeta at 2.2 billion or 1.2 billion. Which makes him EQUAL to Ssj 3 Goku (If we use your very flawed 3 million Goku). V jump is about as valid as Toei having Base Goku > Ssj4 Goku > Base Goku > SSJ Goku > SSJ2 Goku > SSJ3 Goku > Base Goku. |
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| Saberoph | Jul 31 2015, 07:02 AM Post #14 |
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But for your argument to hold any water even in the slightest, you need evidence and so far you don't have anyway. So far all you have is baseless assumptions, conjecture and your opinion and absolutely nothing to show for it. You're a new member so you should know how this forum works...if you continue down this road and don't show anything on purpose then that's considered trolling around here and your topics will be closed as quickly as you start them, and if you continue with this attitude...members and staff won't put up with it and you won't be here long before being either suspended or banned. None of that was a thread, I'm just telling you how this forum site works. |
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| FutureProtagonist | Jul 31 2015, 07:04 AM Post #15 |
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I think pretty much anyone here is more credible than V-Jump, especially an issue from 2004 (when nothing was going on with Dragon Ball). It's the same magazine that brought us such brilliant battle powers as Cooler at 470 million, Broly at 1.4 billion and Gogeta at 2.5 billion. Nothing about those numbers makes any sense, especially when taken together or when used with SEG multipliers (SSJ3 Goku has to be at least 3.76 billion). I'm not sure how Goku can beat 470 million Cooler if his battle power 150 million either. The magazine can't even keep its own s*** straight, much less the entire series. Do you really think that Toriyama is going to say anything negative about a DB magazine? Do you think he could possibly care that they're putting out crazy battle powers? Edited by FutureProtagonist, Jul 31 2015, 07:19 AM.
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