Super Saiyan 2 Multiplier - What People Don't Consider

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Super Saiyan 2 Multiplier - What People Don't Consider
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Anthonest	Jul 31 2015, 05:26 AM Post #1
The Penultimate Saiyan Posts: 104 Group: Member Member #12,455 Joined: July 5, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball (Original), Elfen Lied What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball	When people add up SSJ2 and SSJ3 they use the multiplier of SSJ2 = x2 SSJ, the well known SSJ powerlevel is 150,000,000 (SSJ is 50x base, it remains the same well into the Buu saga, meaning Goku never trained his base form), this is because Goku's base power remains at 3,000,000. When people assume that SSJ2 power level is 300,000,000 however, they have made an error. Due to the fact people don't consider ASSJ or FPSSJ, there power levels are very low, the actual SSJ2 power level is somewhere around 1,800,000,000, that's in the BILLIONS by the way. We can deduce this from Perfect Cells power level, most commonly stated as 900,000,000, which puts FPSSJ Gohan and Goku somewhere around there, so if SSJ2's power is doubled from SSJ or 100 times base, that puts SSJ2 Gohan at a grand total of about 1,800,000,000. SSJ2 Goku is stated that he was 'stronger than his son against Cell' so we can put him around 2,000,000,000 to even it out. Putting SSJ3 at a whooping 8,000,000,000. During the Buu saga, Goku is stated to have a power of 3000 Kili, or 150,000,000 (1 Kili = 50,000 PL). Compared with our previous calculations we can infer that he was in the base SSJ form, meaning he wasen't using FPSSJ. I doesn't really make sense why Goku wouldn't use FPSSJ over SSJ it stronger and more power efficient but its the only explanation. I just made this topic to explain that most people doing SSJ2 calculations were leaving out a few major factors. Alot of the background information however makes no sense, at all. An example being that Goku obviously trained in his base form over the 3 year gap in the Android saga, but according to the Buu saga his 50x base still being the exact same as his 50x base during the Frieza saga, meaning he gained NOTHING from the 3 year training. I will promptly post a follow up topic to that.



+ Pyrus	Jul 31 2015, 05:54 AM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Your entire thesis hinges on incorrect levels. It doesn't matter if it's the most commonly seen/used amongst fans, wherever you may have gotten that from.
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Anthonest	Jul 31 2015, 06:08 AM Post #3
The Penultimate Saiyan Posts: 104 Group: Member Member #12,455 Joined: July 5, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball (Original), Elfen Lied What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball	Pyrus Jul 31 2015, 05:54 AM Your entire thesis hinges on incorrect levels. It doesn't matter if it's the most commonly seen/used amongst fans, wherever you may have gotten that from. My thesis 'hinges' on nothing of the sort, that's fallacious. The power levels are merely an example, my argument stands no matter if my power levels are incorrect or not. The only part of my main statement is that people don't consider ASSJ or FPSSJ when calculating for SSJ2 and that SSJ2's real power level is most likely much higher. No power levels need be involved other than Goku's SSJ PL to validate my assertion. I don't quite understand how you can misinterpret my post so much that you believe the entire structure of my argument relies on a correct PL. I would never make an argument depicting anything of the sort because no one ever can agree on a power level. Also my PL's cannot be false UNLESS proven so, which you have not yet demonstrated.



+ Pyrus	Jul 31 2015, 06:12 AM Post #4
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Anthonest Jul 31 2015, 06:08 AM Pyrus Jul 31 2015, 05:54 AM Your entire thesis hinges on incorrect levels. It doesn't matter if it's the most commonly seen/used amongst fans, wherever you may have gotten that from. My thesis 'hinges' on nothing of the sort, that's fallacious. The power levels are merely an example, my argument stands no matter if my power levels are incorrect or not. The only part of my main statement is that people don't consider ASSJ or FPSSJ when calculating for SSJ2 and that SSJ2's real power level is most likely much higher. No power levels need be involved other than Goku's SSJ PL to validate my assertion. I don't quite understand how you can misinterpret my post so much that you believe the entire structure of my argument relies on a correct PL. I would never make an argument depicting anything of the sort because no one ever can agree on a power level. Also my PL's cannot be false UNLESS proven so, which you have not yet demonstrated. I feel quite offended by your words, ma'am. Please apologize as I only meant to make conversation of your post, not antagonize you as you appear to have taken to.
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Anthonest	Jul 31 2015, 06:25 AM Post #5
The Penultimate Saiyan Posts: 104 Group: Member Member #12,455 Joined: July 5, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball (Original), Elfen Lied What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball	Pyrus Jul 31 2015, 06:12 AM Anthonest Jul 31 2015, 06:08 AM Pyrus Jul 31 2015, 05:54 AM Your entire thesis hinges on incorrect levels. It doesn't matter if it's the most commonly seen/used amongst fans, wherever you may have gotten that from. My thesis 'hinges' on nothing of the sort, that's fallacious. The power levels are merely an example, my argument stands no matter if my power levels are incorrect or not. The only part of my main statement is that people don't consider ASSJ or FPSSJ when calculating for SSJ2 and that SSJ2's real power level is most likely much higher. No power levels need be involved other than Goku's SSJ PL to validate my assertion. I don't quite understand how you can misinterpret my post so much that you believe the entire structure of my argument relies on a correct PL. I would never make an argument depicting anything of the sort because no one ever can agree on a power level. Also my PL's cannot be false UNLESS proven so, which you have not yet demonstrated. I feel quite offended by your words, ma'am. Please apologize as I only meant to make conversation of your post, not antagonize you as you appear to have taken to. I apologize if my tone offended you. When I get into a debate mode I get overly-defensive.



+ Pyrus	Jul 31 2015, 07:36 AM Post #6
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	It's all good! We're all family here! Now, onto your OP, where is it said that once a Saiyan masters the Super form, they can switch between it? I don't understand this.
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+ Emmeth	Jul 31 2015, 07:39 AM Post #7
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Saberoph	Jul 31 2015, 07:46 AM Post #8
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	One of the ways for it to make sense is to keep the belief that Kakarrot can still power up as a SS after the Cell Games and his SS just wasn't at full power when he Transformed in front of Yakon and he still wasn't until he executed his plan to raise his power then burst SS2.
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~~Professor Gohan~~	Jul 31 2015, 11:17 AM Post #9
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Emmeth Jul 31 2015, 07:39 AM You can't take the kili system and make sense of it. It seems to be very inconsistent in it's use. IMO. Kilis were nothing but an exaggeration, as I said in my other post.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 31 2015, 12:00 PM Post #10
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Anthonest When people add up SSJ2 and SSJ3 they use the multiplier of SSJ2 = x2 SSJ, the well known SSJ powerlevel is 150,000,000 (SSJ is 50x base, it remains the same well into the Buu saga, meaning Goku never trained his base form), this is because Goku's base power remains at 3,000,000. What? Do you seriously believe Goku's Super Saiyan level remained static all the way up to the Majin Boo arc? I suggest you read or watch the entire series again.
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+ Ryebrid	Jul 31 2015, 01:05 PM Post #11
Posts: 3,135 Group: Elite Member Member #4,909 Joined: May 21, 2010 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Code Geass, Soul Eater, Sword Art Online What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jul 31 2015, 12:00 PM Anthonest When people add up SSJ2 and SSJ3 they use the multiplier of SSJ2 = x2 SSJ, the well known SSJ powerlevel is 150,000,000 (SSJ is 50x base, it remains the same well into the Buu saga, meaning Goku never trained his base form), this is because Goku's base power remains at 3,000,000. What? Do you seriously believe Goku's Super Saiyan level remained static all the way up to the Majin Boo arc? I suggest you read or watch the entire series again. Right? Pretty much my thoughts. I have no idea what you've been smoking Antho, but I want some.



+ Pointer	Jul 31 2015, 01:16 PM Post #12
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Quote: When people assume that SSJ2 power level is 300,000,000 however, they have made an error Who...when? Lol I think even post android training goku's ssj is stronger than 300 000 000. Even Piccolo who was stronger than android 20 was above that.



TheACE	Jul 31 2015, 06:44 PM Post #13
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Weird thing about Killi, takes about 200 - 300 of them to pop a planet. Vegeta was sitting at a cool 18,000 BP, which would be less than 1 "Kili" and still atomized a planet. Probably another way of saying that Powerlevels are Bulls***
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 31 2015, 07:01 PM Post #14
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	To be fair, planets vary in size and mass, so 200 or 300 Kiris may be enough to destroy the average or any planet in the universe
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TheACE	Jul 31 2015, 07:03 PM Post #15
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jul 31 2015, 07:01 PM To be fair, planets vary in size and mass, so 200 or 300 Kiris may be enough to destroy the average or any planet in the universe But 200 - 300 would be 1 to 1.5 million. Which obviously can wreck a planet, but it almost sounds requisite from Dabura and Babidi's cobversation Whoops, meant 10 to 15 million, skipped a zero, my bad Edited by TheACE, Jul 31 2015, 07:04 PM.
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