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Question about Pedophiles
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 30 2015, 03:27 AM (3,850 Views)
+ Steve	Sep 9 2015, 01:37 PM Post #46
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Buuberries Sep 9 2015, 01:20 PM There isn't nearly enough research to conclude that homosexuality is a deficiency lmao. Research in this area is still ongoing and f* knows how many theories there are -- I'm only familiar with a few and can probably only explain one or two at the top of my head. And ye maybe there isn't some sort of hidden benefit to homosexuality we haven't found out yet, but let's wait until the pros figure it before we spew out unfounded claims. Well I'm sure they'll be hard pressed to find a benefit to it really. Not that being gay is wrong or anything but the whole point of virtually every animal is to reproduce, two males/females can't so they're deficient when it comes to reproduction. Any benefit is likely a social one, like both of you being in to manly or womanly s* like ~~chick flicks~~ football and make up.
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Buuberries	Sep 9 2015, 04:17 PM Post #47
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	Steve Sep 9 2015, 01:37 PM Buuberries Sep 9 2015, 01:20 PM There isn't nearly enough research to conclude that homosexuality is a deficiency lmao. Research in this area is still ongoing and f* knows how many theories there are -- I'm only familiar with a few and can probably only explain one or two at the top of my head. And ye maybe there isn't some sort of hidden benefit to homosexuality we haven't found out yet, but let's wait until the pros figure it before we spew out unfounded claims. Well I'm sure they'll be hard pressed to find a benefit to it really. Not that being gay is wrong or anything but the whole point of virtually every animal is to reproduce, two males/females can't so they're deficient when it comes to reproduction. Any benefit is likely a social one, like both of you being in to manly or womanly s* like ~~chick flicks~~ football and make up. you keep going on about this whole reproduction thing too simplistically. if the purpose of every animal, including humans, is to reproduce, then by that token you could say that altruism is a "deficiency" since it lowers an individual's reproductive fitness. but it's not like that. it's not about individuals reproducing; it's about the species as a whole so they don't die off. in the case of altruistic acts, someone may sacrifice their reproductive fitness in order to benefit other people's -- the cost to the individual is less than the benefit to the recipient. i dont know too much about homosexuality in depth, but two theories i've come across are: 1) population control and 2) this one is old and i don't know how credible it is anymore because im unsure about current literature, but there was some research years ago about how homosexuality is common amongst younger brothers -- i.e., the more older brothers you have, the more chance they have of being a homosexual -- and one suggested reason is that it provides more femininity to the family unit to help raise kin. or some s*** like that some of it sounds ridiculous, and I know there are even more absurd theories out there, but it's at least better than an uneducated "it's a deficiency" without any sort of explanation or evidence to back it up.
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lazerbem	Sep 9 2015, 07:22 PM Post #48
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Well yes, naturally speaking, it's best to be a selfish dickbag. But due to society, this is no longer a good thing because otherwise, there would be a society of selfish dickbags and nothing would get done. We're talking deficiencies strictly in the sense that it gets in the way of nature's "f***, have kids, die" mentality. Obviously it's not a deficiency in today's world, and if anything, is probably a good thing to curb overpopulation.
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+ Steve	Sep 9 2015, 08:24 PM Post #49
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	How would altruism be a deficiency? You're helping others around you, improving their chances at life and thus reproduction. We'd never have got anywhere if we didn't help each other individuality doesn't really work for our species in a natural setting if you were to walk the plains of Africa or wherever the f*** alone you'd be dead rather fast, so altruism helps keep groups of people alive. If one were to get sick and everyone just ignored them, the group would get sick. So it's better to be concerned and try to help your fellow humans survive. I've heard about there being major differences between siblings before for various things, so that could make some sense. Apparently it drastically affects each siblings personalities and such so I see no reason why sexuality couldn't be affected the same way. For raising kin, who knows.
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Buuberries	Sep 9 2015, 08:39 PM Post #50
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	because you keep going on how our sole purpose in life is to reproduce lol. and you know i posted that as an example, right? i don't actually believe that altruism is a deficiency. i was just using it to illustrate my point. Edited by Buuberries, Sep 9 2015, 08:43 PM.
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Tim	Sep 10 2015, 07:33 AM Post #51
Forum Royalty Posts: 7,535 Group: Prince Member #4,562 Joined: November 1, 2009 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Hunter x Hunter	You guys do know this a topic about pedophiles and not homosexuality right? :P However, I will say that none of the theories given provide evidence for why homosexuality exists in animals across the world - regardless of predators around etc. Back onto topic according to wikipedia pedophilia is termed 'pedophilic disorder' in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia in which adults or adolescents 16 years of age or older have intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that they have either acted on or which cause them distress or interpersonal difficulty. I do agree that help should be provided and there should not be such a strong negative viewpoint on people that are simply seeking help. There was a fantastic article written about this on Medium by a 16yo pedophile who felt trapped and had no support to help ensure that he never acted on his fantasies. https://medium.com/matter/youre-16-youre-a-pedophile-you-dont-want-to-hurt-anyone-what-do-you-do-now-e11ce4b88bdb Provided crime is not committed - much as in the comparison to serial killers earlier - then they are not necessarily a bad person, merely someone who may need some counselling and support to exist in a normal life without any problems. Announcing them as /potential/ pedophiles is wrong as there is no guarantee that they will ever consider acting on their thoughts; in the same way people who talk about / think about killing people are not necessarily going to become serial killers and should not be stigmatised as such.



Hurry My Curry	Sep 10 2015, 08:54 AM Post #52
Master Troll Posts: 3,800 Group: Members Member #7,981 Joined: July 20, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Read the article you posted. The emotional struggle pedophiles go through must be unbearable and stressful all the time. On one hand, you absolutely know that you can never act on your urges and there's nothing you can do about it. If you are open about your urges, you are an outcast. What a horrible life pedophiles must live. It's a no win situation for them. Supposedly in prison, child molesters and pedophiles get the worst treatment. Even murderers, thiefs, and rapists look down on pedophiles for something they had no choice over (sexual orientation, not the horrible crimes). Don't like to think about how pedophiles feel but there really needs to be more help for them. Edited by Hurry My Curry, Sep 10 2015, 08:57 AM.
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Tim	Sep 10 2015, 10:27 AM Post #53
Forum Royalty Posts: 7,535 Group: Prince Member #4,562 Joined: November 1, 2009 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Hunter x Hunter	Hurry My Curry Sep 10 2015, 08:54 AM Read the article you posted. The emotional struggle pedophiles go through must be unbearable and stressful all the time. On one hand, you absolutely know that you can never act on your urges and there's nothing you can do about it. If you are open about your urges, you are an outcast. What a horrible life pedophiles must live. It's a no win situation for them. Supposedly in prison, child molesters and pedophiles get the worst treatment. Even murderers, thiefs, and rapists look down on pedophiles for something they had no choice over (sexual orientation, not the horrible crimes). Don't like to think about how pedophiles feel but there really needs to be more help for them. Yea, pretty much the bolded part. Before I read that article it was something I had avoided considering at all, however we often seem to villanise and dehumanise those who we consider the lower parts of society, when really if they are given the support they need it is quite likely that they could be completely functional members of it.



SaiyanHajime	Sep 10 2015, 10:29 PM Post #54
Posts: 224 Group: Member Member #10,689 Joined: January 6, 2014 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime DBZ	Buuberries Sep 9 2015, 01:20 PM you keep going on about this whole reproduction thing too simplistically. if the purpose of every animal, including humans, is to reproduce, then by that token you could say that altruism is a "deficiency" since it lowers an individual's reproductive fitness. but it's not like that. it's not about individuals reproducing; it's about the species as a whole so they don't die off. in the case of altruistic acts, someone may sacrifice their reproductive fitness in order to benefit other people's -- the cost to the individual is less than the benefit to the recipient. It's not even that simple. Altruism is actually round-about selfishness when you look at the bigger picture. It has to benefit the individual being altruistic for them do better than those not being altruistic and pass that trait on more successfully. That's how evolution works. Whilst it's true evolution (change) occurs in populations, not individuals, it is very much about individuals reproducing. There are so many factors at play, though, that it's impossible to point out a trait specifically. There will always be individuals who're taking advantage and predators constantly changing their ways and environmental factors and who knows what else shaping and shifting the power and effectiveness of each trait. And that's how you end up with social species whom the majority won't breed at all - those who are breeding are still passing on those traits, somehow. I am in the "the purpose is to reproduce" camp. But it's complicated... Because really, our genetics don't think or plan or have purpose, we're creating that purpose. We're anthropomorphising our genes by saying they have purpose. But without reproduction, none of us, no biological life, exists. So how does homosexuality fit into all this? A lot of people talk about all the hundreds of animal species that show homosexual behaviour, but it is never exclusive outside of humans. There are no cases that I know of, anyway, where a non-human, sexually reproducing individual animal was exclusively homosexual in its sexual behaviours. Humans, however, can be exclusively homosexual - and it's far from rare for us to be. Why? I don't know. Being non-straight myself, I take the controversial and unpopular opinion that there's way more to it than just genetics. I do think environment matters as equally, if not more... But I couldn't tell you how or what specific conditions result in what. What I will say, and this leads back to the origins of this topic, is that I think the human brain is very, very impressionable. I was reading an article a couple of months back about how more and more people watch "extreme" pornography. Now, is that just because all the people who'd be into it had no access to it before, or is that because people accidentally stumble upon it, grow curious and then develop an interest in something they'd have previously been repulsed by? I think that's way more likely. Being a highly intelligent and so curious, social species, I believe that impressionability is kinda key to our existence.
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Buuberries	Sep 10 2015, 11:40 PM Post #55
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	Altruism doesn't benefit the actor; it's the opposite of selfishness -- there are no benefits to the individual. I'm in the "the purpose is to continue the existence of our species by direct or indirect means" camp because imo there are biological mechanisms for morality and altruism, but I agree that it's a complex phenomenon when it comes to homosexuality. I just don't think it's correct that people say it's a deficiency when not much is known.
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