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Is the new Zelda for the NX?
Topic Started: Jul 29 2015, 07:35 PM (2,274 Views)
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I'll believe it when I see it. Nintendo also told everyone there would be huge Third Party Support, and we saw how that turned out.

I would love to take what Nintendo says as face value and believe them too, but just like Xbox and Sony they don't always do what they say so I never take what either of them say at face value...I just sit around and wait for two things...

For it to blow up in their faces, or for things to happen or go how they say it does or will.
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Jul 30 2015, 02:05 PM
But they don't need to rely on gimmicks to sell their consoles like with the Wii. It may have been one of the highest selling Consoles, but when people realized how gimmicky it was, it didn't do Nintendo any favors.
That's their fault? All this new-age mumbo jumbo has driven people insane. They should stick to what they know. Nintendo Wii U has titles like Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash 4 and Splatoon. They are all beautiful games and have received critical acclaim. You don't need a powerful console to make beautiful games, but that seems to be the common thought-process of many people.

I bet you Zelda Wii U will get critical praise for it's size, beautiful graphics and compelling gameplay, but Nintendo will still get s*** because the Wii U doesn't live up to "normal" people's standards.
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Jul 30 2015, 02:37 PM
I'll believe it when I see it. Nintendo also told everyone there would be huge Third Party Support, and we saw how that turned out.

I would love to take what Nintendo says as face value and believe them too, but just like Xbox and Sony they don't always do what they say so I never take what either of them say at face value...I just sit around and wait for two things...

For it to blow up in their faces, or for things to happen or go how they say it does or will.
So you're telling me that they might kick over 12 million fans in the balls? Why would they come out with this statement if it isn't their intention? To get more people to buy Wii Us just so they can stab them in the back when the NX comes out?

PS3/360 is still getting games now, and it's been well over a year and a half since the PS4/X1 released.
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@Emmeth: It's just like I said in the other Thread, the gaming industry is just like Technology...you either adapt or you die, that's the sad cold truth.

@Nagito: Why not, they've done a fine job at kicking all the hardcore gamers in the balls and not batting an eye. They also released a statement about the so called huge third party support, just to turn around and halfway do it and kick the people who were willing to come back to Nintendo due to that support in the balls.

However, with all of that being said...there is no telling what's going to happen now, with the passing of Iwata, nobody knows if Nintendo will keep going the direction they're going, or if they'll go in a completely new direction. I've even seen people say that Nintendo will go out of business, then I told them to shut up.
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Jul 30 2015, 02:50 PM
@Emmeth: It's just like I said in the other Thread, the gaming industry is just like Technology...you either adapt or you die, that's the sad cold truth.

@Nagito: Why not, they've done a fine job at kicking all the hardcore gamers in the balls and not batting an eye. They also released a statement about the so called huge third party support, just to turn around and halfway do it and kick the people who were willing to come back to Nintendo due to that support in the balls.

However, with all of that being said...there is no telling what's going to happen now, with the passing of Iwata, nobody knows if Nintendo will keep going the direction they're going, or if they'll go in a completely new direction. I've even seen people say that Nintendo will go out of business, then I told them to shut up.
Oh? Can you give some examples of them kicking hardcore gamers in the balls?

I hope you'll notice that a lot of the third-party games on the Wii U are bad due to the developers. They've released half-assed ports and, in the instance of Rayman, outright withheld a game from Nintendo for 8 months (iirc) because they wanted to release it on all platforms at the same time. Any instance of Nintendo's actions hurting fans pales in comparison to what Microsoft did with the X1, yet people crawled back to it after Microsoft 'fixed' the issues with it. While their third-party line-up isn't stellar, it isn't as bad as most people make it out to be. I mean, look at some of the releases last year;

http://www.vg247.com/2014/06/10/wii-u-3ds-game-releases-e3/

Nintendo will likely continue down the route that Iwata chose. Partnerships have already been made, and the apparent focus on third-party games for the NX would be nothing but good for them.
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Examples? How about Nintendo cutting out Third Party Developers for all these years...that's one of the big reasons why hardcore gamers got away from Nintendo. That's been no secret to anyone. Heck, the hardcore gamers started getting away from Nintendo when they came out with the Gamecube, and ever since we've turned our backs on them because they turned their backs on us.

However, the old-school gamer in me hates DLC too. Back in the day if developers wanted to make more stories for a game, they had to make another full game, not throw together a 45 minute story that feels rushed or even forced, then charge money for it. I'm going to stop here before I turn this whole post into a Manifesto of what's wrong with the gaming industry.
Edited by Saberoph, Jul 30 2015, 03:13 PM.
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"Hardcore gamers". What the f***? That term is ridiculous. I'll tell you something... If you call yourself "hardcore", you're not a gamer, you're a damn poser.
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Jul 30 2015, 03:12 PM
Examples? How about Nintendo cutting out Third Party Developers for all these years...that's one of the big reasons why hardcore gamers got away from Nintendo. That's been no secret to anyone. Heck, the hardcore gamers started getting away from Nintendo when they came out with the Gamecube, and ever since we've turned our backs on them because they turned their backs on us.

However, the old-school gamer in me hates DLC too. Back in the day if developers wanted to make more stories for a game, they had to make another full game, not throw together a 45 minute story that feels rushed or even forced, then charge money for it. I'm going to stop here before I turn this whole post into a Manifesto of what's wrong with the gaming industry.
What's your definition of a 'hardcore' gamer? Somebody who plays third-party games? A 'hardcore' gamer is anyone who has a real passion for gaming and gets really invested in it, just like any regular gamer.
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@Emmith: I don't appreciate you calling me a poser.

@Nagito: The hardcore gamers were here before all this new age hand holding "let's cater to the childish crowd and ignore the crowd that got us here" the gaming industry wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for us "Hardcore Gamers" we were here when Nintendo didn't have to rely on gimmicks to sell their consoles, and if they did, we rejected them and they turned around and quit.

So you all can laugh and turn up your nose at us, but we're the generation of gamers that will never die and went to the superior platform and don't sell out to gimmicks and call myself a true gamer!
Edited by Saberoph, Jul 30 2015, 03:30 PM.
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So that's what it comes down to, huh? You view Nintendo's recent consoles as 'childish' and that anyone who's a fan of them and plays these 'hand-holding' games isn't a true gamer, merely a poser, right? If that's the case, there's nothing more to discuss here.
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I'm talking about the people who are blind to Nintendo and act like they're perfect the way they are and don't have to change anything. I like Skyward Sword, but if I followed the logic in a very narrow minded way then I would be like that, but I don't mean it in such a narrow minded way.

Nintendo is going to have to change or they're going to die as a Console, that's the hard cold realistic truth. They can't keep relying on gimmicks to sell their consoles, the Wii U shows that, they had a gimmick with the Wii, it sold a lot but let's face it most of the buyers were the people who wanted to exercise, then put it on the shelf to collect dust after a while. Especially in my area and surrounding areas all the Gamestops and second hand Gaming stores was flooded with Wii's way before Nintendo even announced the Wii-U...that says very bad things for Nintendo, sure that's just one area but that became a common thing.

Here's a question that's worth asking... if Nintendo either stops making Consoles from failing, or become a handheld only company, what happens to the classic Nintendo games that's built for Consoles, will they put them on their handhelds, or release a retro style Console with modern parts to play all the Console games.


To cut the seriousness for a minute, in my last post before this...you have no idea how many times I had to stop myself from saying "We are Legion, for we are many"
Edited by Saberoph, Jul 30 2015, 04:35 PM.
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Jul 30 2015, 03:57 PM
I'm talking about the people who are blind to Nintendo and act like they're perfect the way they are and don't have to change anything. I like Skyward Sword, but if I followed the logic in a very narrow minded way then I would be like that, but I don't mean it in such a narrow minded way.

Nintendo is going to have to change or they're going to die as a Console, that's the hard cold realistic truth. They can't keep relying on gimmicks to sell their consoles, the Wii U shows that, they had a gimmick with the Wii, it sold a lot but let's face it most of the buyers were the people who wanted to exercise, then put it on the shelf to collect dust after a while. Especially in my area and surrounding areas all the Gamestops and second hand Gaming stores was flooded with Wii's way before Nintendo even announced the Wii-U...that says very bad things for Nintendo, sure that's just one area but that became a common thing.

Here's a question that's worth asking... if Nintendo either stops making Consoles from failing, or become a handheld only company, what happens to the classic Nintendo games that's built for Consoles, will they put them on their handhelds, or release a retro style Console with modern parts to play all the Console games.


To cut the seriousness for a minute, in my last post before this...you have no idea how many times I had to stop myself from saying "We are Legion, we are many"
So, let me get this straight. Is your definition of a 'hardcore' gamer someone who doesn't blindly support a company? The vast majority of people would fit that definition. That's the problem with the internet, the minority is almost always the most vocal. If I had to guess, I'd say that a lot of people don't care too much; all they care about is playing games. In a Nintendo console has the games they want to play, then they'll go there. If a Sony console does, they'll go there instead.

To be honest, I don't get the hate for gimmicks. Sure, some of them can be bad, but a lot of the time they enhance your experience. Have you played Wind Waker HD using the Gamepad? It's amazing. The Gamepad makes it a much smoother and much more enjoyable experience. Gimmicks don't automatically mean bad, and if the NX does end up having a gimmick, it could be really good.

If that were to happen, they'd probably either put them on handhelds or, if the situation was worse, go to Sony.

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See, I don't see the point in gimmicks. I find them to be a cheap way to pull people in. Why not get people in the way it's always been. Actually the hardcore gamers are more vocal than any other crowd...as a matter of fact, it's next to impossible to shut us up.

I have crapped all over the Kinect, PlayStation Move, Wii Motion, Wii-U Gamepad... gimmicks should just die and let the Console brands not rely on tricks and just rely on what brought them to the table.

I would be down with Nintendo moving over to Sony, I don't think it's a stretch. However, that's only if Sony makes it through this. However, I'm not getting into the condition of Sony here, or where I think the Xbox is going...we already have a Thread for that.

I had the original Nintendo, Super Nintendo, the very first game console I owned was the Nintendo 64, I got the Gamecube but was turned off by it. It's funny, several people were turned off by the design of it, but I loved the box...maybe not that size but it wasn't bad, I just didn't like the color. But that's making it a taste thing anyway.
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Jul 30 2015, 03:28 PM
@Emmith: I don't appreciate you calling me a poser.
I really don't care. Using a term as "hardcore gaming" is self-centered and elitist and I don't appreciate that. Gaming is about fun, foremost.
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Yeah well, a staff member should know better than to insult another member...I thought staff was better than that, I guess I was wrong.

Also, I would rather be a hardcore gamer than a Nintendo fanboy who thinks change isn't needed in an industry that change is necessary and has to be done you won't last. Nintendo lasted because they changed and did what was best, but ever since the Gamecube days they've done whatever they wanted and alienated the fanbase that brought them this far. So you go right ahead and keep that narrow minded thought process...I'll just be setting back watching Nintendo keep losing their distance from Sony and Microsoft, as they evolve and go into the logical direction while Nintendo resorts to the handheld market because they can no longer hang with the big names. Heck, the only reason Nintendo stayed on top back in the day is because Sega made horrible decisions, they were far more innovative than Nintendo ever was. Heck, before the American Nintendo came out, Sega was approached to make the American Consoles. However, Sega made bad decisions and refused to change and as well alienated their core fanbase...which is what Nintendo has done. It seems Nintendo is making the very same mistakes their past competition has made, and just like with Sega they're opting to go ahead and release another Console instead of riding out this generation, because it still wasn't too late for the Wii U, but instead of Nintendo being innovative they relied on a gimmick to sell their Console...just like what Sega did back in the day...

You mine as well call Nintendo Sega 2.0, because they're going down the exact same path they did.

So there you go everyone...you got the cold unforgiving harsh truth about Nintendo and a history lesson to go with it.
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