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SSGSS Goku V.S. SSJ4 Goku; Qaaman Answers Subscriber Questions
Topic Started: Jul 27 2015, 12:18 AM (2,684 Views)
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GT ssj goku would destroy goku from FnF much less ssj4 goku.
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- Whis was in a rush in order to bring Beerus his meat within the time limit, no reason to say he didn't fly as fast as he could.
- We then know that Whis flies MFTL.
Finally, angered, Beerus flew in the same place where Whis was in just 20 seconds more.

Result? Beerus flies FTL as well, but it's not a surprise since we already knew this from the planet-exploding scene in episode 2.
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Sjk8
Jul 29 2015, 01:45 PM
- Whis was in a rush in order to bring Beerus his meat within the time limit, no reason to say he didn't fly as fast as he could.
- We then know that Whis flies MFTL.
Finally, angered, Beerus flew in the same place where Whis was in just 20 seconds more.

Result? Beerus flies FTL as well, but it's not a surprise since we already knew this from the planet-exploding scene in episode 2.
You've ignored one thing. We have no idea how far they flew, from point a to point b in x amount of time. You have yet to fulfill the t in the very simple velocity equation. So it could be 100,000 light years or it could be 200 miles between these worlds.
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Actually, gohan didn't really go all out to get to school and he was also on a time limit so idk if beerus and whis were going all out either.

So what do you think Sjk8?
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Jul 29 2015, 03:04 PM
You've ignored one thing. We have no idea how far they flew, from point a to point b in x amount of time. You have yet to fulfill the t in the very simple velocity equation. So it could be 100,000 light years or it could be 200 miles between these worlds.


I've ignored nothing, distance is irrelevant: we know Whis flies MFTL and we know that in this specific scene he was in a hurry (Beerus explicitly timed him), so there was no reason for him to go slow.

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Whis reached that point in space in 1 minute, while Beerus took 1 minute and 20 seconds: a guy 33% slower than someone million of times faster than light is still faster than light.

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Jul 29 2015, 03:53 PM
Actually, gohan didn't really go all out to get to school and he was also on a time limit so idk if beerus and whis were going all out either.

So what do you think Sjk8?


Regarding Whis, I think that if you can go MFTL at will yet you go slow on purpose when your boss flat out gives you maximum 3 minutes, then it means you are retarded.
And Whis doesn't seem retarded at all, to me. ;)
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Agreed but the ridiculous part of all this is the millions of times faster than light. Don't you think toriyama would laugh if he heard that? I mean imagine their combat speed. It's pretty far fetched dont you think?
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Jul 29 2015, 04:12 PM
Agreed but the ridiculous part of all this is the millions of times faster than light. Don't you think toriyama would laugh if he heard that? I mean imagine their combat speed. It's pretty far fetched dont you think?


Probably AT doesn't even know what he is doing but, at the end of the day, who cares?
Other fictional worlds have characters MFTL as well, but nobody ever has a problem with it, why should it be different for DB?
Only people who have problems are the downplayers, that's why I like these new feats, because they drive them mad. :rofl:
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Jul 29 2015, 04:03 PM
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You've ignored one thing. We have no idea how far they flew, from point a to point b in x amount of time. You have yet to fulfill the t in the very simple velocity equation. So it could be 100,000 light years or it could be 200 miles between these worlds.


I've ignored nothing, distance is irrelevant: we know Whis flies MFTL and we know that in this specific scene he was in a hurry (Beerus explicitly timed him), so there was no reason for him to go slow.

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Whis reached that point in space in 1 minute, while Beerus took 1 minute and 20 seconds: a guy 33% slower than someone million of times faster than light is still faster than light.

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Jul 29 2015, 03:53 PM
Actually, gohan didn't really go all out to get to school and he was also on a time limit so idk if beerus and whis were going all out either.

So what do you think Sjk8?


Regarding Whis, I think that if you can go MFTL at will yet you go slow on purpose when your boss flat out gives you maximum 3 minutes, then it means you are retarded.
And Whis doesn't seem retarded at all, to me. ;)


Ok I'll play. How? How do we know that Whis is MFTL? And that he isn't using magic? Or a transport move. Its not like other attendants and magicians have used magic to get somehwe- OH WAIT. Kami, Baba, hell even Kibito can teleport and lickity split across the worlds and stars in moments. With a move.

So no, we DONT actuall know Whis is faster than light and for all we know, Beerus isn't either. Again, science. V = d/t. So unless you know better than the laws of physics and can somehow calculate velocity without a given distance, then you don't actually know how fast they go. You've made an assumption and ran with it sir.
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No no no. We knew that with his transportation technique thing, whis is faster than light. But now that beerus can get to where whis can only 20 seconds later...
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Jul 29 2015, 04:26 PM
No no no. We knew that with his transportation technique thing, whis is faster than light. But now that beerus can get to where whis can only 20 seconds later...
Then what's our distance Vegito? In light years please, though I will accept parse a or miles if those work better for you.
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Jul 29 2015, 04:22 PM
Ok I'll play. How? How do we know that Whis is MFTL? And that he isn't using magic? Or a transport move. Its not like other attendants and magicians have used magic to get somehwe- OH WAIT. Kami, Baba, hell even Kibito can teleport and lickity split across the worlds and stars in moments. With a move.


We know that Whis is MFTL from BoG, when he travelled interstellar and interdimensional distances in a matter of 26 minutes.
Both Whis and Beerus don't teleport: Beerus indeed is shocked at Godku using IT against him during their fight, while Whis, if he could use IT, he would use it and go to King Kai's planet and/or Earth instantly, rather than taking 26 minutes.

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So no, we DONT actuall know Whis is faster than light and for all we know, Beerus isn't either. Again, science. V = d/t. So unless you know better than the laws of physics and can somehow calculate velocity without a given distance, then you don't actually know how fast they go. You've made an assumption and ran with it sir.


So yes, we actually know that Whis is MFTL, at least with his staff.
In episode 3 of DBS Beerus gives him 3 minutes top to bring him some space food, and Whis reaches the location in 1 minute.
We see that:

- Whis has his staff with him
- Whis was in a hurry
- Beerus, without Whis and his staff, reaches the same place in 80 seconds

Now, take your choice:

1) Whis is retarded: this means that, despite an angry and hungy Beerus explicitly giving him 3 minutes top, he decides to fly slow and take his time just because. In this case, we don't know the exact speed value and we can thus assume that Whis flew way below LS, and thus that Beerus isn't LS either.
2) Whis is NOT retarded, and he thus goes at his maximum speed (he also has his staff with him, remember) in order to bring Beerus his food in the required, peremptory time. Beerus, short-tempered, then reaches Whis in 1 minute and 20 seconds, while it took Whis 1 minute to cover the same distance at maximum speed (which we know is MFTL thanks to BoG).

You don't need distance to know that Beerus is beyond LS as well; on the contrary, if you need it, it means that you are assuming that Whis is a retarded character, in which case you are the one here making an assumption and running with it.
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Gohan didn't go all-out by transforming, no, but there's nothing to say he didn't go all-out in his regular form. The designated time he gave would have little meaning if it was just an arbitrary number that could change at any time.
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Whis is my favorite character
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You've ignored one thing. We have no idea how far they flew, from point a to point b in x amount of time. You have yet to fulfill the t in the very simple velocity equation. So it could be 100,000 light years or it could be 200 miles between these worlds.


I've ignored nothing, distance is irrelevant: we know Whis flies MFTL and we know that in this specific scene he was in a hurry (Beerus explicitly timed him), so there was no reason for him to go slow.

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Whis reached that point in space in 1 minute, while Beerus took 1 minute and 20 seconds: a guy 33% slower than someone million of times faster than light is still faster than light.

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Jul 29 2015, 03:53 PM
Actually, gohan didn't really go all out to get to school and he was also on a time limit so idk if beerus and whis were going all out either.

So what do you think Sjk8?


Regarding Whis, I think that if you can go MFTL at will yet you go slow on purpose when your boss flat out gives you maximum 3 minutes, then it means you are retarded.
And Whis doesn't seem retarded at all, to me. ;)


Ok I'll play. How? How do we know that Whis is MFTL? And that he isn't using magic? Or a transport move. Its not like other attendants and magicians have used magic to get somehwe- OH WAIT. Kami, Baba, hell even Kibito can teleport and lickity split across the worlds and stars in moments. With a move.

So no, we DONT actuall know Whis is faster than light and for all we know, Beerus isn't either. Again, science. V = d/t. So unless you know better than the laws of physics and can somehow calculate velocity without a given distance, then you don't actually know how fast they go. You've made an assumption and ran with it sir.
Let's play with some numbers here shall we?

The closest planet to Earth is Venus. At its closest it is 24 million miles away. If Whis were to fly from Earth to Venus in 1 minute it would be 400,000 miles per second. That's roughly 2.15 times the speed of light. I think we can comfortably say that the distance Whis traveled was further than the distance of Earth from Venus at its closest possible range.

Is there anyone here that does not think Whis could travel from planet to planet in a minute?

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In this gif we see Beerus go from the planet he destroys to well past its neighboring planet in roughly 4-5 seconds.

I just can't see any scenario where Whis or Beerus are anything less than at least a few dozen times the speed of light.
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