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Why are extremely educated people so stupid?; They fall too much to logical fallcies
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Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 01:03 PM Post #16
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Lazuli Jul 17 2015, 01:01 PM How many years are there between you and him? Oh you mean age-wise? about 10 years, I'm 17.



Darker	Jul 17 2015, 01:15 PM Post #17
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Aren't you generalizing a bit too much? Because I don't consider myself to be stupid at all.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 01:20 PM Post #18
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Darker Jul 17 2015, 01:15 PM Aren't you generalizing a bit too much? Because I don't consider myself to be stupid at all. I'm not generalizing at all dude. I only said that there many educated people that are stupid, by my definition to "stupid", which is falling constantly to countless logic fallcies. "many" doesn't mean it's even as much as 50% of the extremely educated people.



* Yu Narukami	Jul 17 2015, 03:09 PM Post #19
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	'Many' based on anecdotal evidence, right? Right now, you're making a claim based on what you've observed, so the very argument that you're putting forward is a fallacy. When you've actually done a formal study that questions people who're 'extremely' educated, you might have a point. You'd also have to question people who aren't 'extremely' educated, so it'd be quite an undertaking. Good luck if you do end up trying to do a study.



Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 07:10 PM Post #20
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Quote: 'Many' based on anecdotal evidence, right? Based on the fact that most of the many people I know are like that as well that I've seen thousands of really stupid arguements by heavily educated people, which is the majority of the posts I've read from heavily educated people, and compared them to myself(my education is below averge). Of course I'm not claiming anything about ALL the population. Quote: Right now, you're making a claim based on what you've observed, so the very argument that you're putting forward is a fallacy. When you've actually done a formal study that questions people who're 'extremely' educated, you might have a point. You'd also have to question people who aren't 'extremely' educated, so it'd be quite an undertaking. Good luck if you do end up trying to do a study. No, no, no. because: 1. What I wanted to debate here isn't about how many people are like that, but rather why, IN GENERAL, a person who is extremely educated can be so stupid. I think "copy_ninja" and "steve" answered me quite well. 2. Using what I've seen in this kind of debate isn't a fallacy. Infact, what YOU just said is a logic fallacy itself, since you think it matters if my claims are based on what I've seen or formal study, this is your logic fallacy - https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority 3. In case you don't know, psychology is a subject where usually a Certainty level of 50% is considered fantastic, and if only you actually tried to understand what I was trying to say, you would've understood that I'm not trying to say that less educated people are much smarter than heavily educated people. That would be indeed stupid as hell, since the only "less educated" person I compared them to is myself. In short, your post is just a good example of what happens when someone attacks an arguement without understanding it at all. Edited by Muhahahaha, Jul 17 2015, 07:13 PM.



+ Clearin	Jul 17 2015, 07:32 PM Post #21
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Logic isn't really taught in education, unless it's for the specific thing they're studying. You pick up general logic, including debating logic, elsewhere. I mean your opening post mentions you don't know how to use an oven. Presumably there are people younger and less educated than you who can work an oven, but that doesn't make you stupid, or them any smarter than you.



Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 07:37 PM Post #22
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Clearin Jul 17 2015, 07:32 PM Logic isn't really taught in education, unless it's for the specific thing they're studying. You pick up general logic, including debating logic, elsewhere. I mean your opening post mentions you don't know how to use an oven. Presumably there are people younger and less educated than you who can work an oven, but that doesn't make you stupid, or them any smarter than you. Agreed for my country at least. In my country, The only "logic" education teaches is to solve things based on knowledge. Almost everything else is the annoying nonsense known as "Memorization". Edited by Muhahahaha, Jul 17 2015, 07:41 PM.



* Yu Narukami	Jul 17 2015, 10:37 PM Post #23
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Muhahahaha Jul 17 2015, 07:10 PM Quote: 'Many' based on anecdotal evidence, right? Based on the fact that most of the many people I know are like that as well that I've seen thousands of really stupid arguements by heavily educated people, which is the majority of the posts I've read from heavily educated people, and compared them to myself(my education is below averge). Of course I'm not claiming anything about ALL the population. Quote: Right now, you're making a claim based on what you've observed, so the very argument that you're putting forward is a fallacy. When you've actually done a formal study that questions people who're 'extremely' educated, you might have a point. You'd also have to question people who aren't 'extremely' educated, so it'd be quite an undertaking. Good luck if you do end up trying to do a study. No, no, no. because: 1. What I wanted to debate here isn't about how many people are like that, but rather why, IN GENERAL, a person who is extremely educated can be so stupid. I think "copy_ninja" and "steve" answered me quite well. 2. Using what I've seen in this kind of debate isn't a fallacy. Infact, what YOU just said is a logic fallacy itself, since you think it matters if my claims are based on what I've seen or formal study, this is your logic fallacy - https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority 3. In case you don't know, psychology is a subject where usually a Certainty level of 50% is considered fantastic, and if only you actually tried to understand what I was trying to say, you would've understood that I'm not trying to say that less educated people are much smarter than heavily educated people. That would be indeed stupid as hell, since the only "less educated" person I compared them to is myself. In short, your post is just a good example of what happens when someone attacks an arguement without understanding it at all. What exactly do you mean by 'many' people? If you're talking about the topic in general, don't make a claim about 'many' educated people (your response to Darkness) . In your OP, you stated this; ''Why the hell there are so many people who considered proffesors/extremely educated in general who have studied well even in academy/college, and yet there are like 2-5 logical fallicies in each of their arguements?'' If you don't want to talk about many people being like that, why make that statement in the first place? You say that I'm incorrect because I'm not talking about the same thing as you are. If that's the case, stop making claims about 'many' educated people, it's simple. Also, a study actually gives you results. Anecdotal evidence means absolutely nothing if you're going to make claims about a large number of people. Edited by Yu Narukami, Jul 17 2015, 10:40 PM.



Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 10:51 PM Post #24
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Quote: What exactly do you mean by 'many' people? If you're talking about the topic in general, don't make a claim about 'many' educated people (your response to Darkness) . When I said "many", I meant out of the people I know. But you're proably right IMO, it would've been better to write something like: "How can a heavily educated person be so stupid?". So thanks for this note. However this also shows the reason why I hate it that I cant edit the titles of my topics.. do you know why it's not allowed? Or it's allowed and I dont know how lol. Quote: In your OP, you stated this; ''Why the hell there are so many people who considered proffesors/extremely educated in general who have studied well even in academy/college, and yet there are like 2-5 logical fallicies in each of their arguements?'' If you don't want to talk about many people being like that, why make that statement in the first place? You say that I'm incorrect because I'm not talking about the same thing as you are. If that's the case, stop making claims about 'many' educated people, it's simple. Like I said above - I didn't think you would think that I must've meant "many people out of the world's population". And there is no way to edit a topic's title, or there is and I dont know it. Quote: Also, a study actually gives you results. Anecdotal evidence means absolutely nothing if you're going to make claims about a large number of people. Indeed, but making a study who's results depends on the people who are in the study is a study which can't bring a certain conclusions, since the people can LIE and not say what they actually think, same could be said about what I observed. Edited by Muhahahaha, Jul 17 2015, 10:52 PM.



Common2	Jul 20 2015, 06:49 AM Post #25
Posts: 171 Group: Member Member #11,263 Joined: April 25, 2014 Gender Male Country United States	Muhahahaha Jul 17 2015, 10:14 AM Why the hell there are so many people who considered proffesors/extremely educated in general who have studied well even in academy/college, and yet there are like 2-5 logical fallicies in each of their arguements? It's like they use their knowledge as a way to flee from arguing. They have the debate level of a 5 year old kid, they keep putting way too much baseless assumptions out of their asses without prooving anything. For example(and I can give many many more): My extremely educated brother asked me "Why should I listen to someone who doesn't even know to use an oven?" Why? Because even if my science knowledge is close to zero, I can still find many logical fallicies in your stupid arguements. For example here, you have used 3 logical fallicies: 1. You attacked me instead of my arugement 2. Knowing how to use an oven doesn't mean anything. It doesn't even have anything to do with my knowledge in science in general, expect maybe about an oven. Why is it like that? Could it be that being heavily educated about subjects like Physics, Mathematics etc has nothing to do with being smart? What was even the context of your brother saying that? Because it seems like casual conversation to me. Sounds as if your brother was trying to be silly. I don't know about you, but I don't approach all of my conversations as if they're meant to be rigorous debates. However, if I'm talking to someone with the explicit intent of debating them, like posting on some internet forum where that is the case, then I would of course avoid committing logical fallacies. I don't have much more to add other than the technically fallacious "this thread is dumb". Edited by Common2, Jul 20 2015, 06:49 AM.



+ Ginyu	Jul 20 2015, 07:17 AM Post #26
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	I agree with common2 sounds just like simple brother-to-brother teasing. If my family attacks me with an ad hominem you're supposed to hit them back with another ad hominem. Unless you were having a srious scientific discussion, which I doubt since you're family. Also you might not be the one that's stupid, but it's still pretty disrespectful to go on the internet and name your own brother as an example of stupidity, especially since you (according to yourself) "can give many more." I wouldn't do that to my own brother unless I'm specifically irritated with his actions and not an action in general, and even then I wouldn't resort to name calling. I mean, I'm not too good at fallacies, but isn't it a fallacy when you call someone stupid for using a fallacy?
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Muhahahaha	Jul 20 2015, 12:06 PM Post #27
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Quote: I mean, I'm not too good at fallacies, but isn't it a fallacy when you call someone stupid for using a fallacy? No. Why would that be a fallacy? If he's using many logic fallacies = his logic thinking is bad = he's stupid. According to my definition to "stupid". Since like I said earlier, there are many possible defintions to "stupid". If you mean that it's the fallacy of attacking the person instead of his arguement, it's not since I didn't do that in my debates with him. Quote: What was even the context of your brother saying that? Because it seems like casual conversation to me. Sounds as if your brother was trying to be silly The context was him trying to convice me about something important to him. Why would he try to look stupid if he knows that stupid arguements are the key into not convincing me? Your reasoning for "This thread is dumb" is dumb itself. Quote: If my family attacks me with an ad hominem you're supposed to hit them back with another ad hominem. Why should I bounce back with the same logic fallacy? Could you explain this please? Quote: Also you might not be the one that's stupid, but it's still pretty disrespectful to go on the internet and name your own brother as an example of stupidity, especially since you (according to yourself) "can give many more." Than would it be better to use my father? Quote: Ironically, your friend sounds a lot like my 56 year old father, who is an Electronics Engineer for many years and doesn't understand very basic things about subjects like Psychology, philosophy and much more, and tends to pull stupid baseless assumptions out of his a*, he also often doesn't know to define the terms he uses and he blames everyone besides himself for the trouble he gets himself to. Just for the record, those things are shown mostly in the same context - when he's trying to convice me to do something. Edited by Muhahahaha**, Jul 20 2015, 12:27 PM.



+ Ginyu	Jul 20 2015, 12:36 PM Post #28
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	Quote: No. Why would that be a fallacy? If he's using many logic fallacies = his logic thinking is bad = he's stupid. According to my definition to "stupid". Since like I said earlier, there are many possible defintions to "stupid". If you mean that it's the fallacy of attacking the person instead of his arguement, it's not since I didn't do that in my debates with him. No, because stupidity extends further to using fallacies or not. We've already had this discussion, but there is a huge gap between making a mistake in logic and being stupid. Quote: Why should I bounce back with the same logic fallacy? Could you explain this please? Because it's just teasing and you're probably not having a serious scientific discussion with your family, it's brother-to-brother teasing, you should tease back, I can't explain that scientifically to you, it's just common social behavior between siblings. Quote: Than would it be better to use my father? No, that's disrespectful as well. You say you can give many examples, surely those examples extend out of your family and friends, you just shouldn't speak ill about friends and family behind their backs on the internet. Especially not when according to you it's a common problem and not a problem exclusive to your family.
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Buuberries	Jul 20 2015, 12:44 PM Post #29
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	emotions cloud judgment. simple as that. if we're talking about academia, people can spend years or even decades of their life investing in a specific piece of research, so it's obviously easy for researchers to get emotionally invested in what they're researching. that's why we have peer-reviewing so other researchers can evaluate your research and make sure it's logical and makes sense, isn't ridiculous, and can be easily replicated. one of my friends was telling me about his phd reviewing thing from last week and his advisor was giving him s*** over his work. the thing he's writing about is criticising some crap his advisor works in, and he said that even she admitted she was being bitchy or whatever. why? she didn't say, but it was obvious because she was emotionally invested in whatever my friend's dissertation is about
	¯\(°_o)/¯


Muhahahaha	Jul 20 2015, 12:52 PM Post #30
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	@GinyuTokusentai Didn't you read what I wrote that the context was when he was trying to convice me to do something, and not just a brother teasing? Edited by Muhahahaha, Jul 20 2015, 12:53 PM.



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