Why are extremely educated people so stupid?

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Why are extremely educated people so stupid?; They fall too much to logical fallcies
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 17 2015, 10:14 AM (2,195 Views)
Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 10:14 AM Post #1
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Why the hell there are so many people who considered proffesors/extremely educated in general who have studied well even in academy/college, and yet there are like 2-5 logical fallicies in each of their arguements? It's like they use their knowledge as a way to flee from arguing. They have the debate level of a 5 year old kid, they keep putting way too much baseless assumptions out of their asses without prooving anything. For example(and I can give many many more): My extremely educated brother asked me "Why should I listen to someone who doesn't even know to use an oven?" Why? Because even if my science knowledge is close to zero, I can still find many logical fallicies in your stupid arguements. For example here, you have used 3 logical fallicies: 1. You attacked me instead of my arugement 2. Knowing how to use an oven doesn't mean anything. It doesn't even have anything to do with my knowledge in science in general, expect maybe about an oven. Why is it like that? Could it be that being heavily educated about subjects like Physics, Mathematics etc has nothing to do with being smart? Edited by Muhahahaha, Jul 17 2015, 10:26 AM.



Buuberries	Jul 17 2015, 10:29 AM Post #2
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	how old's your brother?
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Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 10:48 AM Post #3
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Buuberries Jul 17 2015, 10:29 AM how old's your brother? He's 27 years old, was 3 years in the academy in a department where he studied computer science and electronics. Of course his stupid arguement(as well as many many others) are all from 2014-15. Why? Edited by Muhahahaha, Jul 17 2015, 10:49 AM.



*Copy_Ninja*	Jul 17 2015, 10:57 AM Post #4
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	To be fair, "debating" someone online or in any informal setting is a far cry from having an actual intellectual debate. You don't really put as much thought in to it in that scenario. I don't really think it's that common to see people using a lot of logical fallacies in arguments other than online, where people like to make out that they are more intelligent than they actually are. Also, just because an argument contains logical fallacies doesn't automatically make what someone is saying wrong. The example you cited is stupid of course but someone can argue something poorly doesn't necessarily mean what they are arguing is incorrect. Some people just aren't great communicators and struggle to get a point across, even when that point is pretty legitimate. Edited by Copy_Ninja, Jul 17 2015, 11:14 AM.
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+ Steve	Jul 17 2015, 11:11 AM Post #5
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Yeah I call that the fallacy fallacy, pointing out fallacies in someone else's argument is extremely unproductive if you're not opening your mind to try understand what they mean or understand a situation from their point of view. Of course some people are just that stupid though. Anyway education doesn't really mean anything when it comes to intelligence. Intelligence is the ability to work out problems, to overcome things you've never experienced before, to make a process more efficient without any prior knowledge to it etc etc Reading stuff in a book and remembering it isn't intelligent nor is applying it in situations where you're told to apply it. Such as a physics equation, you know you're supposed to use it with whatever problem and that you remember being told that doesn't make you smart.
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Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 11:21 AM Post #6
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Quote: To be fair, "debating" someone online or in any informal setting is a far cry from having an actual intellectual debate. You don't really put as much thought in to it in that scenario. I don't really think it's that common to see people using a lot of logical fallacies in arguments other than online, where people like to make out that they are more intelligent than they actually are. Agreed - however, sometimes what you can pull out of your head quickly without more time than a few seconds to think shows your thinking abilities, IMO (In the interent it's the opposite). Quote: Also, just because an argument contains logical fallacies doesn't automatically make someone is saying wrong. The example you cited is stupid of course but someone can argue something poorly doesn't necessarily mean what they are arguing is incorrect. Agreed, but for me it is enough to conclude that he is idiot if his arguements are in a level that fits a 5 year old, even thought he didn't have much time to think. Of course that doesn't mean he's wrong. And it is also important to note that this things happen often in the interent too despite the much easier conditions. Are you saying nothing should be concluded about a person's intelligence from all informal debates? Quote: Some people just aren't great communicators and struggle to get a point across, even when that point is pretty legitimate. I doubt that. Why would a smart person not be able to be a great communicators? The abilty to convice people who's thinking is drastically different than yours is much more impressive than being able to solve complicated math/physics problems, IMO. The fact that my brother has the first abilty since he was about 15 years old while he's completely hopeless in the second abilty says it all. Edited by Muhahahaha, Jul 17 2015, 11:25 AM.



Buuberries	Jul 17 2015, 11:32 AM Post #7
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	Was just wondering Quote: Intelligence is the ability to work out problems, to overcome things you've never experienced before, to make a process more efficient without any prior knowledge to it etc etc in our culture. Implicit beliefs of intelligence actually varies across cultures. Quote: I doubt that. Why would a smart person not be able to be a great communicators? The abilty to convice people who's thinking is drastically different than yours is much more impressive than being able to solve complicated math/physics problems, IMO. The fact that my brother has the first abilty since he was about 15 years old while he's completely hopeless in the second abilty says it all. generalising is also a fallacy Just putting that out there Edited by Buuberries, Jul 17 2015, 11:35 AM.
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*Copy_Ninja*	Jul 17 2015, 11:33 AM Post #8
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Muhahahaha Jul 17 2015, 11:21 AM Are you saying nothing should be concluded about a person's intelligence from all informal debates? Not saying that you can't conclude anything from it, just that it's hardly a full proof barometer for how intelligent a person is. It's really just one reference point for a person. Quote: I doubt that. Why would a smart person not be able to be a great communicators? The abilty to convice people who's thinking is drastically different than yours is much more impressive than being able to solve complicated math/physics problems, IMO. The fact that my brother has the first abilty since he was about 15 years old while he's completely hopeless in the second abilty says it all. Intelligence manifests in different ways in different people. For some people it's being able to retain and recall a lot of information about a topic, for others it's quick thinking and logical deduction, some people are great problem solvers. Just because ones talents lie in one area and not the others does not make someone unintelligent. Then you've got other things to consider. Some people have social anxiety issues and don't do well talking to others, which obviously has a massive effect in this scenario. Debating someone is far from the be all and end all of intelligence.
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Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 11:54 AM Post #9
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Quote: generalising is also a fallacy Just putting that out there Which is why I wrote "IMO". I also should've added the logic rather than "evidence" which can never be enough to prove what I said, which is basically in Steve's post. Thanks for the note anyway. Quote: Not saying that you can't conclude anything from it, just that it's hardly a full proof barometer for how intelligent a person is. It's really just one reference point for a person. Intelligence manifests in different ways in different people. For some people it's being able to retain and recall a lot of information about a topic, for others it's quick thinking and logical deduction, some people are great problem solvers. Just because ones talents lie in one area and not the others does not make someone unintelligent. Then you've got other things to consider. Some people have social anxiety issues and don't do well talking to others, which obviously has a massive effect in this scenario. Debating someone is far from the be all and end all of intelligence. I understand. Its because "inteliigence" and "smart" are words that have many different definitions like you suggested here. I wonder thought, am I the only human being ever who measures "wisdom" only by how many logical fallacies the person tends to fall to? They mean a lot about the person, don't they? I almost died out of laugher when my brother didn't even know to define a term he uses, and it happened many times as well(sorry if this seems off-topic, but this is also a logic fallacy). Edited by Muhahahaha, Jul 17 2015, 12:24 PM.



+ Ginyu	Jul 17 2015, 12:34 PM Post #10
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	Muhahahaha Jul 17 2015, 11:54 AM I wonder thought, am I the only human being ever who measures "wisdom" only by how many logical fallacies the person tends to fall to? They mean a lot about the person, don't they? I almost died out of laugher when my brother didn't even know to define a term he uses, and it happened many times as well(sorry if this seems off-topic, but this is also a logic fallacy). There is a lot more to intelligence, wisdom, smartness, etc. Debating is not the ultimate way to test someone's widsom, there are some incredibly idiotic people out there who are amazing at debating and there are very intelligent people out there who just suck at it
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SpeedoTrunks	Jul 17 2015, 12:36 PM Post #11
Posts: 908 Group: Member Member #9,238 Joined: March 22, 2013 Gender Not Specified	Its a case by case scenario, but there are people who have good memories and can recite information they have remembered to pass tests, and then there are genuinely smart and understand things. A good case is a friend of mine, he's fairly intelligent, is into cars and radio shows (he presents a local radio show) but ask him about something you would think to be common knowledge and he just has no idea what you're talking about. Its funny as so far as you have a really good in depth discussion about something that most people know (In this case the general gist of how/why certain stones and metals in jewelry are more expensive that others) but you also feel bad that he doesn't know like everything apart from things about cars and radio stations.



Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 12:49 PM Post #12
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Quote: There is a lot more to intelligence, wisdom, smartness, etc. Debating is not the ultimate way to test someone's widsom, there are some incredibly idiotic people out there who are amazing at debating and there are very intelligent people out there who just suck at it The way YOU see it. It has already been pointed out that those things have many different definitions, and I don't see much of a connection between things like Technical knowledge and being good at strategy games between wisdom/intelligence/smartness, from the way I define those. Quote: Its a case by case scenario, but there are people who have good memories and can recite information they have remembered to pass tests, and then there are genuinely smart and understand things. No, knowing to use information to do things is really easy as long as you remember the necessary details. Remembering the detailes is a serious chellenge sometimes thought. Knowing use the information only shows you understood it perfectly, but that's something most people can do easily. Its like learning to speak a new language. Complicated, but as long as you know everything and work in an Organized way, you'll be fine after a year or so of learning and practicing it. I agree however, that good memory is possibly sometimes a sign of smartness, since it may show that the person who has it have the abilty to think deeply, which I think is very important. But good memory ususally comes from writing and working hard on memorization, that's why it's hard to tell.. Quote: A good case is a friend of mine, he's fairly intelligent, is into cars and radio shows (he presents a local radio show) but ask him about something you would think to be common knowledge and he just has no idea what you're talking about. Its funny as so far as you have a really good in depth discussion about something that most people know (In this case the general gist of how/why certain stones and metals in jewelry are more expensive that others) but you also feel bad that he doesn't know like everything apart from things about cars and radio stations. Ironically, your friend sounds a lot like my 56 year old father, who is an Electronics Engineer for many years and doesn't understand very basic things about subjects like Psychology, philosophy and much more, and tends to pull stupid baseless assumptions out of his a*, he also often doesn't know to define the terms he uses and he blames everyone besides himself for the trouble he gets himself to. Edited by Muhahahaha**, Jul 17 2015, 12:59 PM.



+ Sandy Shore	Jul 17 2015, 12:58 PM Post #13
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Out of curiosity, how many years has your brother got on you?



Muhahahaha	Jul 17 2015, 01:00 PM Post #14
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Lazuli Jul 17 2015, 12:58 PM Out of curiosity, how many years has your brother got on you? What does "got on you" means? Sorry english isn't my mother tongue.



+ Sandy Shore	Jul 17 2015, 01:01 PM Post #15
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	How many years are there between you and him?



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