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Beerus Stronger Than Super 17 Arc?
Topic Started: Jul 15 2015, 10:05 PM (1,855 Views)
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(Not quite sure where to put this since both Super and GT are being used here, move as you please)

So decided to hop on a few days ago to see some of the news on Super here, then ran across a thread asking what Beerus can do. Then saw a gif where Beerus taps a planet, destroys it, then moves so fast he's far away from that planet in no time flat. I am reminded of SSJ Goku vs Super 17, but in there we see that Goku is much slower it would seem compared to Beerus.

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Now, we know that your overall power correlates in some fashion towards your strength and speed. So is it not fair to say that Beerus is at the very least stronger than SSJ Goku at the Super 17 arc? Given the current showings anyway?
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Speed isn't a very reliable factor when determining the strength of others. Butta for example is much faster than Jheese, but they're virtually equal by Kuririn's own admission. Beyond that GT and Super have completely different writers.
EDIT: Also, Beerus is likely holding back a great deal of his power in that scene. Even showcasing 70% of his power is rare according to Whis.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 15 2015, 10:48 PM.
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That and we've seen Beerus cut loose at about 70%. I'd certainly say its no more impressive than what Baby did, never the less Super 17 or god forbid the Shadow Dragons.
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Jul 16 2015, 03:15 AM
That and we've seen Beerus cut loose at about 70%. I'd certainly say its no more impressive than what Baby did, never the less Super 17 or god forbid the Shadow Dragons.
Or it's just portrayed slow to us cause it'll be pointless if we couldn't see anything. The Z-fighters lost track of Goku and Birusu during their fight and they was in combat, Birusu here is doing a traveling speed showing here (which is slower then combat speed as most say).
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While 17's speed feat is pretty impressive I feel like Beerus has shown that he is much faster than anyone in GT thus far in Super. The finger tap is also impressive but we have to ask, could that work on an opponent?

I think Beerus > Super 17
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Jul 16 2015, 03:54 AM
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That and we've seen Beerus cut loose at about 70%. I'd certainly say its no more impressive than what Baby did, never the less Super 17 or god forbid the Shadow Dragons.
Or it's just portrayed slow to us cause it'll be pointless if we couldn't see anything. The Z-fighters lost track of Goku and Birusu during their fight and they was in combat, Birusu here is doing a traveling speed showing here (which is slower then combat speed as most say).
Well technically all fights are portrayed slow. Z-Fighters have been too fast for the naked eye since Dragon Ball season 1. Its tough to compare though,since Myuu was the only observer, and he had a direct computer uplink to 17s brain. So... Yeah... Possible, but arguable for and against.

Second, question. What is combat speed/flight speed? You just mean speed right?
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Speed is not power level at all. Ginyu in Goku's body was around 1/6th his usual power, yet he still called Goku's body "much faster".
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Maybe that's all a power level is. Ki reserves and potential destructive energy.
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Jul 16 2015, 08:23 PM
Speed is not power level at all. Ginyu in Goku's body was around 1/6th his usual power, yet he still called Goku's body "much faster".
Vegeta did say though that speed increases when someone's power-level increases. Maybe Goku's was just much faster because Goku is faster than Burta, who is the fastest in the universe, or Ginyu was just talking about their speed at "stand-by" level or whatever. It didn't look to me like Ginyu was moving as fast as he possibly could, just more casually.
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Jul 17 2015, 03:11 AM
Maybe that's all a power level is. Ki reserves and potential destructive energy.
I imagine that's what it is.
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Jul 16 2015, 08:23 PM
Speed is not power level at all. Ginyu in Goku's body was around 1/6th his usual power, yet he still called Goku's body "much faster".
Vegeta did say though that speed increases when someone's power-level increases. Maybe Goku's was just much faster because Goku is faster than Burta, who is the fastest in the universe, or Ginyu was just talking about their speed at "stand-by" level or whatever. It didn't look to me like Ginyu was moving as fast as he possibly could, just more casually.
Did Vegeta say it was direct correlation or did he just say his speed had increased as well? In any case, there's also a difference between travel speed. As for Ginyu's level of exertion, he was testing out a new body, why wouldn't he go to full throttle?
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Jul 18 2015, 11:33 PM
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Jul 16 2015, 08:23 PM
Speed is not power level at all. Ginyu in Goku's body was around 1/6th his usual power, yet he still called Goku's body "much faster".
Vegeta did say though that speed increases when someone's power-level increases. Maybe Goku's was just much faster because Goku is faster than Burta, who is the fastest in the universe, or Ginyu was just talking about their speed at "stand-by" level or whatever. It didn't look to me like Ginyu was moving as fast as he possibly could, just more casually.
Did Vegeta say it was direct correlation or did he just say his speed had increased as well? In any case, there's also a difference between travel speed. As for Ginyu's level of exertion, he was testing out a new body, why wouldn't he go to full throttle?
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Chapter: 249 (DBZ 55), 7.4
Context: after Vegeta dodges Kui's attack
Kui: Wh…when did you…?!”
Vegeta: “When my battle power rises, it means that my speed raises too.”

As for Goku-Ginyu's speed, it didn't seem like he was actually exerting himself or anything. It just seemed he was moving or flying, and then was like, "yYah, this body is way faster.". Also he didn't test his powers at that moment, I think. Until his fight with Krillin and Gohan.
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I think beerus's feat is more impressive for sure. How do you know whis didn't get them out of there though?
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Jul 19 2015, 08:30 PM
I think beerus's feat is more impressive for sure. How do you know whis didn't get them out of there though?
Well, we don't have any evidence to suggest he did. Whenever Whis travel fair distances we always see a bright aura surrounding him.
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Jul 19 2015, 01:27 AM
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Jul 18 2015, 11:33 PM
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Jul 16 2015, 08:23 PM
Speed is not power level at all. Ginyu in Goku's body was around 1/6th his usual power, yet he still called Goku's body "much faster".
Vegeta did say though that speed increases when someone's power-level increases. Maybe Goku's was just much faster because Goku is faster than Burta, who is the fastest in the universe, or Ginyu was just talking about their speed at "stand-by" level or whatever. It didn't look to me like Ginyu was moving as fast as he possibly could, just more casually.
Did Vegeta say it was direct correlation or did he just say his speed had increased as well? In any case, there's also a difference between travel speed. As for Ginyu's level of exertion, he was testing out a new body, why wouldn't he go to full throttle?
This is the quote:

Chapter: 249 (DBZ 55), 7.4
Context: after Vegeta dodges Kui's attack
Kui: Wh…when did you…?!”
Vegeta: “When my battle power rises, it means that my speed raises too.”

As for Goku-Ginyu's speed, it didn't seem like he was actually exerting himself or anything. It just seemed he was moving or flying, and then was like, "yYah, this body is way faster.". Also he didn't test his powers at that moment, I think. Until his fight with Krillin and Gohan.
I agree with SHC. So, on the matter, until something was said otherwise about power and speed correlation, sometime after those events, in that source or any later source.

Even feat-wise we weren't shown anything different, at least too much.
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