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Jul 11 2015, 06:50 AM Post #1 |
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Which martial artists would make good Crane and Turtle students? Some examples of fighters: Pamput, Man-Wolf, Giran, etc. |
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| * Stark | Jul 11 2015, 05:13 PM Post #2 |
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Nam would make for a great Turtle student, I think. He's humble and he uses martial arts to help those who are in need. Muten would be quite fond of him. |
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Jul 11 2015, 05:18 PM Post #3 |
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Indeed. I think Pamput would make a good Crane. Chapa would be a Crane as well. I see Bacterian and Giran going to the Turtle side. Edited by Professor Gohan, Jul 11 2015, 05:26 PM.
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| + Clearin | Jul 11 2015, 06:08 PM Post #4 |
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Ranfan would be a turtle student if Roshi had any choice. |
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| Thiln | Jul 11 2015, 06:56 PM Post #5 |
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Are we speaking in terms of which character seems more likely to use whatever technique or is it ideology they might follow? Well for a number of characters it's difficult to pinpoint which school because they have mixed traits that wouldn't necessarily classify them as being good or evil, just arrogant or self-assured. The Crane School appears to have a habit of making its students become callous and violent to the point where they eventually become killers. Tien was like that before Roshi made him reflect on his priorities in life and come to understand that his loyalties were to the spirit of martial arts instead of becoming a murderer. If I had to make a wild-guess as to where each character would end up based off what little we know, however. Bacterian - Crane School - He seems repulsive and dim-witted enough to use whatever resource that comes his way if it can give him a better chance of becoming powerful and successful. If that includes adopting a more ruthless outlook on martial arts then so be it. Ranfan - Turtle School - She also uses underhanded tactics by exploiting her feminine traits to get male contestants to drop their guard, but I think at her core she's not a killer or overly aggressive. Roshi would certainly have no qualms taking her for obvious reasons and if she has the willingness to put in the effort then she could become a true fighter who doesn't need gimmicks to succeed. Nam - Turtle School - This seems obvious. He's a righteous and honourable man with a sense of fair play. The only blight was his willingness to put a child into an unconscious state for ten days, but that was for the benefit of his impoverished village and he made things clear afterwards that he wouldn't take a life. Roshi would probably take him because he can sense the goodness and sincere willingness to improve himself in Nam's heart. Giran - Crane School - Underhanded tactics with an enjoyment in taunting and hurting his enemies implies that he would do best under the Crane Hermit's tutelage. Remember what one of the villagers said about him as he was fighting Tambourine? He referred to Giran as a thug. This leads me to believe that he bullies and extorts the people of that village for his own selfish desires - that makes him a prime target for pushing into the next step of becoming a killer. King Chappa - Crane School - Like others, he's arrogant and so sure of himself that any opponent who crosses him is treated like nothing. It's not without reason since he did apparently win a former tournament with not a single attack landed on him. Still, he could afford to show a bit more respect. Apparently he was determined to get revenge on Goku for the previously humiliating fight during the 22nd tournament. Who do we know that holds vendettas against people for lost battles and grudges? The Crane Hermit. With enough poking his desire for retribution could force him to adopt more extreme methods of violence. Pamput - ? - This one is difficult to pinpoint because we never saw much to indicate which moral leaning he has. He's clearly a showman who enjoys impressing the public and intimidating them at the same time. Notice how he expected Goku to retract after feigning a punch? He's a person who seems to be used to getting his way. The thirst for prestige and glory may at first lead someone to believe he's more predisposed to joining the Crane School, but those aren't inherently bad traits. Jackie Chun was a showman who enjoyed putting on a spectacle before his fights began, remember? I believe he's someone who would rather not have to follow any strict moral code on his pathway to glory, though he doesn't strike me as being killer material either. He could go either way, in my opinion. Maybe there's a lean towards what the Crane School's ideology teaches because of his conceitedness - that could always be weeded out like it was for Krillin. Man-Wolf - Crane School - Held a grudge against Jackie Chun for destroying the Moon. Eventually his opponent helped him to become human again, and he expressed gratitude for the gesture, but prior to that he was hellbent on beating Chun. He even went so far as to brandish a knife and was screaming about how he would kill him. This fanaticism would be more understandable if the lycanthropy had impacted his life in a severe way like he became hated amongst the people of his home city/town and was ostracised so he needed to live in the wilderness where survival was a daily struggle for him. However, that's not the case. By his own admittance, Man-Wolf's rage stemmed from him not being able to attract hairless girls. That's it! Such a stupid petty reason to threaten someone's life over. I don't care if Jackie made amends or not. Being desirous for the death of someone else over something so trivial as not being able to get a girl demonstrates a callous disregard for human life. What happens to the next person who wrongs Man-Wolf? Does he try to stab them too? He probably deserves to be with the Crane Hermit more than almost anyone else on this list. Chichi - Turtle School - For obvious reasons. She's already a practitioner of the Turtle style. Cyborg Tao - Crane School - He uses the Dodonpa, is a world famous assassin, has threatened to kill people when he didn't get his way in a tournament proctored setting, and is the brother of the Crane Hermit himself. It's safe to say that Tao follows Crane ideology almost devoutly. |
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Jul 12 2015, 12:59 AM Post #6 |
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Meh, I wasn't thinking too much about Giran. I was just going off him turning over a new leaf with that water supply. But he was a thug... I agree with him being a Crane. Bacterian - I guess I agree with that one as well. He was in martial arts for survival, a Crane trait. Turtles seem to fight for enjoyment and to get better, as well as for protecting. Those aren't traits of Bacterian, but he's not really evil at the same time. |
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| DBZAOTA482 | Jul 12 2015, 01:06 AM Post #7 |
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Why does Chi-Chi need to attend the Turtle School? She already exceeded it. And Tao is Tien and Chiaotzu's former master. |
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| Animelover5487 | Jul 12 2015, 01:27 AM Post #8 |
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That was a very nice analysis Thiin but I think you might be OVER analyzing a bit having a few negative qualities or a jerkish personality doesn't automatically mean you would be willing to kill an innocent person in cold blood. Manwolf is the only tournament fighter that I could see becoming a killer seeing as he tried to kill Roshi despite one minor setback that didn't really change his life especially since he's even more ugly as a human. King Chappa might be arrogant but he never resorted to cheating or any overly violent tactics to defeat Goku, and he didn't hold a grudge he just wanted to make up for his embarrassing lost last time. Anyone would be ashamed if they were a once untouched champion that easily lost to a child. Even Giran was willing to make amends with Goku after his poor sportsmanship in the match after that filler episode. |
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| Thiln | Jul 12 2015, 01:52 AM Post #9 |
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Well it's not like they have to be murderous or bloodthirsty to join the Crane School. Chiaotzu was part of the school in spite of not showing any overt signs of brutality or darkness like Tien did. A number of those characters mentioned would be willing to sign on for the basic purpose of attaining power, whereas Roshi's method stresses a more subtle and altruistic method by helping people and building themselves up over a gradual period of time. Now call me presumptuous if you want, but characters like Bacterian and King Chappa strike me as being the sort who look for immediate benefit and don't concern themselves much with helping others. If you ask me, they would rather learn how to fly or use the Dodonpa instead of delivering milk or tending to the soil on some island. |
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| Animelover5487 | Jul 12 2015, 02:12 AM Post #10 |
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We don't know anything about Chaozu's past. He and Ten were most likely friends before they starting training in the Crane Hermit, and joined because Ten wanted to. Not concerning themselves to helping others? Didn't King Chappa teach a dojo? Wouldn't that count as helping others? As for Bacterian he's stupid and doesn't appear to have any concern over his appearance seeing as he never bathes so he might take the Crane's teaching but I doubt he would willingly obey if Shen started ordering him to kill people. |
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| Thiln | Jul 12 2015, 02:18 AM Post #11 |
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The question of ambiguity concerning Chiaotzu's motives for joining the Crane Hermit goes both ways. We don't know the exact particulars behind him joining, but he certainly didn't seem to have any personal issues being with them until he was being ordered to restrain Tien. Is King Chappa teaching a dojo part of the manga? I don't recall him ever being in one except during the anime when Tambourine arrived to kill him. Edited by Thiln, Jul 12 2015, 03:35 AM.
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