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Broly's creator... response to new material
Topic Started: Jul 4 2015, 07:47 PM (4,386 Views)
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Beerus is unoriginal garbage who's an embarrassment to the DB franchise.
Hey man, whatever floats your boat. I thought he and Whis were a breath of fresh air.
Beerus - Someone with big power who been asleep for many years. Goofy personality and a crybaby. A bit of an attitude. Doesn't look scary but actually is. Stronger than SSJ form that debut. Names begin with B. Ruthless. Loves to fight and be challenged. Kais feared him. Job is to destroy

Boo - Someone with big power who been asleep for many years. Goofy personality and a crybaby. A bit of an attitude. Doesn't look scary but actually is. Stronger than a new SSJ form that debut. Names begin with B. Ruthless. Loves to fight and be challenged. Kais feared him. Live to destroy.
What a shallow comparison. Beerus hasn't been asleep, he sleeps in intervals. What's more, he isn't confined in a prison made by a wizard. Goku has a goofy personality too, would you compare him to Boo? I wouldn't. Also, crybaby? That's an exaggeration. Beerus is spoiled and impatient, certainly, but I certainly wouldn't classify him as a crybaby, unlike Boo. Yeah, Beerus has an attitude, but Boo's attitude is derivative of his stubbornness, while Beerus's is derivative of his superiority complex. Stronger than SSJ at his debut? What the f*** kind of comparison is that? That's been the case since the Artificial Humans... Seriously? What do the first letters of their names have to do with their characters? Uh, most people in this franchise love to fight, welcome to Dragon Ball. If you're going to criticize a character for being too similar to another, you may want to avoid comparing traits most other characters have. As for the Kaioshin fearing him, uh, they'd fear anyone stronger than them. Boo likes destroying, it's not his job, there is a difference.
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Why bother criticizing something if the best you can do is make shallow comparisons between characters? I could do the same with Goku and Goten, and you know it.
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Jul 5 2015, 01:29 AM
Beerus was intentionally designed to straddle the line between a serious villain and a comical one. Broly was always intended to be a dark and serious villain with absolute no quirks to him.

Which if you want to go with this whole "joke treatment"

Hey, at least Beerus didn't run into a wall and get peed on by children.
That was as of Movie 10, which was indeed s***ty Broly. He was better in Movie 8(less brain damage). If it's Movie 10 Broly, slight edge to Beers. If it's Movie 8 Broly, slight edge to Broly. If it's Bio-Broly, he's twice as compelling as Broly or Beers.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

People, you do know that there is a distinctive difference between an opinion and criticism correct? Or if I should say "reasonable criticism."

If I just said "Man Beerus is purple, that's a s***ty color so he's a s***ty character. He's so boring he puts me to sleep." That's an opinion.

Criticism would be.

"Man, Beerus has this strange dialogue that doesn't fit with his character and every time he appears, he's just shown to be inconsistent with his previous appearances." I don't believe any of that but this is criticism and if you can back it up with evidence will support your claim.

The same way if I say Gotenks is a god awful character is an opinion. If I say Gotenks is someone in which the humor of his character doesn't fit with the seriousness of the manga at the time and feels his humor contrasts too much with far more serious Super Boo and then point out issues of the manga in which this has occurred. Well the my friends that would be criticism.
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Beerus is unoriginal garbage who's an embarrassment to the DB franchise.
Hey man, whatever floats your boat. I thought he and Whis were a breath of fresh air.
Beerus - Someone with big power who been asleep for many years. Goofy personality and a crybaby. A bit of an attitude. Doesn't look scary but actually is. Stronger than SSJ form that debut. Names begin with B. Ruthless. Loves to fight and be challenged. Kais feared him. Job is to destroy

Boo - Someone with big power who been asleep for many years. Goofy personality and a crybaby. A bit of an attitude. Doesn't look scary but actually is. Stronger than a new SSJ form that debut. Names begin with B. Ruthless. Loves to fight and be challenged. Kais feared him. Live to destroy.
What a shallow comparison. Beerus hasn't been asleep, he sleeps in intervals. What's more, he isn't confined in a prison made by a wizard. Goku has a goofy personality too, would you compare him to Boo? I wouldn't. Also, crybaby? That's an exaggeration. Beerus is spoiled and impatient, certainly, but I certainly wouldn't classify him as a crybaby, unlike Boo. Yeah, Beerus has an attitude, but Boo's attitude is derivative of his stubbornness, while Beerus's is derivative of his superiority complex. Stronger than SSJ at his debut? What the f*** kind of comparison is that? That's been the case since the Artificial Humans... Seriously? What do the first letters of their names have to do with their characters? Uh, most people in this franchise love to fight, welcome to Dragon Ball. If you're going to criticize a character for being too similar to another, you may want to avoid comparing traits most other characters have. As for the Kaioshin fearing him, uh, they'd fear anyone stronger than them. Boo likes destroying, it's not his job, there is a difference.
Shallow but the truth.
Why bother criticizing something if the best you can do is make shallow comparisons between characters? I could do the same with Goku and Goten, and you know it.
Umm..I've called Goten a Gokuv2, Goku with a normal life, Bootleg Goku, and Goku Jr.

So go ahead. Rip into Goten. Make the easy comparison. Still the greatest of all time to me. Nothing Nkthing will ever change that because in my eyes Goten is Dragonball. He has everything you look for in DB .

It's so bad to act or look like your FATHER like Goten should look like Golden Freeza with the personality of Oolong. That'll be great!
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Beerus is unoriginal garbage who's an embarrassment to the DB franchise.
Hey man, whatever floats your boat. I thought he and Whis were a breath of fresh air.
Beerus - Someone with big power who been asleep for many years. Goofy personality and a crybaby. A bit of an attitude. Doesn't look scary but actually is. Stronger than SSJ form that debut. Names begin with B. Ruthless. Loves to fight and be challenged. Kais feared him. Job is to destroy

Boo - Someone with big power who been asleep for many years. Goofy personality and a crybaby. A bit of an attitude. Doesn't look scary but actually is. Stronger than a new SSJ form that debut. Names begin with B. Ruthless. Loves to fight and be challenged. Kais feared him. Live to destroy.
What a shallow comparison. Beerus hasn't been asleep, he sleeps in intervals. What's more, he isn't confined in a prison made by a wizard. Goku has a goofy personality too, would you compare him to Boo? I wouldn't. Also, crybaby? That's an exaggeration. Beerus is spoiled and impatient, certainly, but I certainly wouldn't classify him as a crybaby, unlike Boo. Yeah, Beerus has an attitude, but Boo's attitude is derivative of his stubbornness, while Beerus's is derivative of his superiority complex. Stronger than SSJ at his debut? What the f*** kind of comparison is that? That's been the case since the Artificial Humans... Seriously? What do the first letters of their names have to do with their characters? Uh, most people in this franchise love to fight, welcome to Dragon Ball. If you're going to criticize a character for being too similar to another, you may want to avoid comparing traits most other characters have. As for the Kaioshin fearing him, uh, they'd fear anyone stronger than them. Boo likes destroying, it's not his job, there is a difference.
Shallow but the truth.
Why bother criticizing something if the best you can do is make shallow comparisons between characters? I could do the same with Goku and Goten, and you know it.
Umm..I've called Goten a Gokuv2, Goku with a normal life, Bootleg Goku, and Goku Jr.

So go ahead. Rip into Goten. Make the easy comparison. Still the greatest of all time to me. Nothing Nkthing will ever change that because in my eyes Goten is Dragonball. He has everything you look for in DB .

It's so bad to act or look like your FATHER like Goten should look like Golden Freeza with the personality of Oolong. That'll be great!
If it's not a problem for Goten, why is it a problem for Beerus? Furthermore, why is Goten acting like Goku when he's been dead the whole time?
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Vegeta was an arrogant, prideful person who wanted to kill the living crap out of Goku. He could take a terrible beating and even survived a Genki-Dama. He's destroyed countless planets and was finally defeated by another Saiyan.

Freeza was an arrogant prideful person who wanted to kill the living crap out of Goku. He could take a terrible beating and even survived a Genki-Dama. He's destroyed countless planets and was finally defeated by another Saiyan.

Cell was an arrogant prideful person who was created by a guy who wanted to kill the living crap out of Goku. He could take a terrible beating and could even produce a Genki-Dama (so he says) He was nearly going to destroy the planet and was finally defeated by a Saiyan.

Now let's go with the movies and fill in the blank.

"How many times has the villain been a sociopath jackass that has some kind of transformation or power up, beaten the crap out of everyone only for the good guys to finally turn it around in the end and defeat said bad guy?"

A.) Literally every single time besides I suppose Movie 2 and 11.

B.) It's "A" people

C.) First choice

D.) Do you get it now?
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Beerus is unoriginal garbage who's an embarrassment to the DB franchise.
Hey man, whatever floats your boat. I thought he and Whis were a breath of fresh air.
Beerus - Someone with big power who been asleep for many years. Goofy personality and a crybaby. A bit of an attitude. Doesn't look scary but actually is. Stronger than SSJ form that debut. Names begin with B. Ruthless. Loves to fight and be challenged. Kais feared him. Job is to destroy

Boo - Someone with big power who been asleep for many years. Goofy personality and a crybaby. A bit of an attitude. Doesn't look scary but actually is. Stronger than a new SSJ form that debut. Names begin with B. Ruthless. Loves to fight and be challenged. Kais feared him. Live to destroy.
What a shallow comparison. Beerus hasn't been asleep, he sleeps in intervals. What's more, he isn't confined in a prison made by a wizard. Goku has a goofy personality too, would you compare him to Boo? I wouldn't. Also, crybaby? That's an exaggeration. Beerus is spoiled and impatient, certainly, but I certainly wouldn't classify him as a crybaby, unlike Boo. Yeah, Beerus has an attitude, but Boo's attitude is derivative of his stubbornness, while Beerus's is derivative of his superiority complex. Stronger than SSJ at his debut? What the f*** kind of comparison is that? That's been the case since the Artificial Humans... Seriously? What do the first letters of their names have to do with their characters? Uh, most people in this franchise love to fight, welcome to Dragon Ball. If you're going to criticize a character for being too similar to another, you may want to avoid comparing traits most other characters have. As for the Kaioshin fearing him, uh, they'd fear anyone stronger than them. Boo likes destroying, it's not his job, there is a difference.
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Why bother criticizing something if the best you can do is make shallow comparisons between characters? I could do the same with Goku and Goten, and you know it.
Umm..I've called Goten a Gokuv2, Goku with a normal life, Bootleg Goku, and Goku Jr.

So go ahead. Rip into Goten. Make the easy comparison. Still the greatest of all time to me. Nothing Nkthing will ever change that because in my eyes Goten is Dragonball. He has everything you look for in DB .

It's so bad to act or look like your FATHER like Goten should look like Golden Freeza with the personality of Oolong. That'll be great!
If it's not a problem for Goten, why is it a problem for Beerus? Furthermore, why is Goten acting like Goku when he's been dead the whole time?
Because Goten entertains me. And is cool. Beerus puts me to sleep. And is lame. None of Beerus gags was funny. So far all of Beerus fights be a plain waste of time. Goten vs Trunks > Beerus vs Godku. Goten the greatest thing DB ever did. Did you see Super? He made that episode a 10/10. Goten was that good .

Beerus a huge reason why BoG sucked so badly.

And dude...you can have traits of your parents regardless of interaction with them.

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Vegeta was an arrogant, prideful person who wanted to kill the living crap out of Goku. He could take a terrible beating and even survived a Genki-Dama. He's destroyed countless planets and was finally defeated by another Saiyan.

Freeza was an arrogant prideful person who wanted to kill the living crap out of Goku. He could take a terrible beating and even survived a Genki-Dama. He's destroyed countless planets and was finally defeated by another Saiyan.

Cell was an arrogant prideful person who was created by a guy who wanted to kill the living crap out of Goku. He could take a terrible beating and could even produce a Genki-Dama (so he says) He was nearly going to destroy the planet and was finally defeated by a Saiyan.

Now let's go with the movies and fill in the blank.

"How many times has the villain been a sociopath jackass that has some kind of transformation or power up, beaten the crap out of everyone only for the good guys to finally turn it around in the end and defeat said bad guy?"

A.) Literally every single time besides I suppose Movie 2 and 11.

B.) It's "A" people

C.) First choice

D.) Do you get it now?

Never said Dbz had good characters.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

No, you just seem to think Beerus is a rip off of Boo despite the fact that there's no evidence to that. But I just showed you how practically every villain that has ever appeared in the series is essentially rip off of one another but you do not seem to have a problem with that.

Also yes I'm pretty sure Beerus is what made BOG. I'm pretty sure he's the one who stole the spotlight and what everyone was talking about. He's the one who got to appear in more installments like RoF, Super Manga and Super Anime. You can constantly see people if not outright praising him, admitting that compared to the villains before he was a breath of fresh air.
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Once again never said DB had good characters AND I said I bashed DB for having too many similar characters . Except for Goten I actually do take issue with it. Shouldn't assume things especially when I said I bashed it.

Yes Beerus made BoG. He made it suck. He's poorly received in Korea btw. Just saying. He stole spotlight from both one as the light broke the moment he landed on Earth. People can praise him. Good for them. Glad they like him. I don't so I'll bash him. Boring cat. Was he supposed to be funny? Could not tell. His air was not fresh but stinky kitty litter.
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Beers is different from other antagonists in many ways, and not entirely for the better. The change towards comedy feels really forced to me and most if it is really unfunny. All it does is undermine their[Whis and Beers] credibility("Your limbs need to think for themselves, but I still don't watch where I step"). I know their was humor before, but certainly not as much as now.

TBH, Beers is very similar to Discord from MLP. I loathe both of them, so maybe I just hate the "overpowered child" archetype
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Nobody said anything about "Good" characters. This is about you making the claim that Beerus is nothing more than a Boo rip off. The first thing is, good luck proving that. As you claimed yourself, you could only give shallow attempts. But for sake of argument let's say he is. Let's say Beerus is a complete rip off of Boo. Heck, let's make Beerus pink, give him the power to transfigure people into candy and make him complete bat s*** insane.

You still have no reason to complain because practically every other person in the series is just a plain rip off of another. Try it, name the number of allies Goku has met that wasn't once his enemy who had to be defeated before they finally became allies with Goku? Does that make Vegeta a rip off of Piccolo? Does that make Piccolo a rip off of Tenshinhan? Does that make Tenshinhan a rip off of Krillin?

The point here is very simple. Unless your going to complain about 95% of the characters in the series for being "rip offs" you have no right to complain.
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My previous literally said besides Goten.. I had an issue with it. Like should I C/P for ya?
*I said I bashed DB for having too many similar characters . Except for Goten I actually do take issue with it. Shouldn't assume things especially when I said I bashed it.*

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s*** least Boo was funny. Beerus was forced humor that failed Imo. Didn't laugh not once by him. I swear his pudding scene reminds me of Boo's rage over no candy. Beerus and Piccolo Boo would confuse each other. Probably think they're long lost twins.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Then why are you bashing anything in the first place? Why not just ignore it since its the same thing you see every time.

I didn't laugh at anything Boo did. I guess that makes him a terrible villain right?
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Then why are you bashing anything in the first place? Why not just ignore it since its the same thing you see every time.

I didn't laugh at anything Boo did. I guess that makes him a terrible villain right?
Gets old when it's 2013 and you see same sh*t from 1992. It's like Hulk Hogan wrestling in 2015.

If it's your opinion then yeah sure Boo can be a terrible villain. I mean Beerus wasn't a villain sooo :| . But if you dislikes Boo then go right along. I ain't hating. Your opinion.

P.S. Wasn't a huge fan of Boo either ;)
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Did you guys know the whole point of Battle of Gods was to show off Goku's ability to befriend anyone, even the infamous God of Destruction?

Beerus is an interesting character because he's being focused on right now, who knows what might come out of it?
I for one am really excited to see what kind of backstory and future story they have for Beerus and Whis.

As for topic, Broly was an exciting character for one movie, maybe two. He's a mindless brute that should be under control by someone else (is for some most of his life by his father Paragus). He doesn't have a personality aside from his unreasonable lust to kill Goku.
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