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Cooler, King Cold and Frieza...
Topic Started: Jun 26 2015, 08:03 AM (758 Views)
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We saw Frieza Transform to suppress his power, but when we see King Cold and Cooler we assume they've done the same thing, and I can see why, but how do we know they had to do the same... from what we hear and see Cooler is superior to his brother and King Cold is weaker than Frieza (Since nothing to date actually contradicts this), Cooler and King Cold may have never used Transformations in the first place.

The only Transformation we know of with Cooler is his max power, and that's another thing I want to bring up. Cooler does saw it's a fifth form, but is it really, is it beyond the possibility that it's just Coolers 100% and it's different with each person from Frieza's race, the same with their Base Form.

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"I am the bone of my sword."

Freeza specifically needed his transformations to hold his incredible power that he had little control of. Each time he transformed, he was pretty much reverting back to his original form, growing stronger and stronger. In the end, unlike most transformations, Freeza's were done to actually suppress himself, not to get stronger.

This is the opposite of Cooler's transformation. If we're to believe 4th form Cooler is the original Cooler, than having another transformation on top of that to get stronger means that Cooler's not suppressing himself through transformations, he like most, is using them to get stronger.

Cold meanwhile we don't know but with absolutely nothing stated both in and out of the manga, I feel there's no need to think he has any transformations at this point.

In short, Freeza was suppressing himself when he created his transformations.

Cooler was increasing his level when he made his transformation.
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I know that, but my question is Coolers Final Form... is that his 100% or just something entirely?

This is just me, but I get the feeling everyone's Base and 100% is different for each person.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I'm under the impression that each form has a specific full power and that if you want more, you need to transform to get it. I mean each form for Freeza has a full power, such as his first form is 530,000. I'm sure Cooler has a maximum amount in his fourth form as well. If the guy wants more power, he needs to start transforming.

I mean I suppose there's no problem dividing each transformation off from the original's full power.
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Freeza's "final form" is really his Base form. The three forms below are suppression levels. Cooler's transformation is his race's variant of Super Saiyan.
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Yeah, I've always liked going with the idea that each person's Full Power and Base Form is completely unique to that one person, and there isn't another like it with anyone else from Frieza's race.

Yeah, it's a Transformation and going by technicalities it is his 100%, but I get the points the two of you made.

It would have been pretty interesting if someone's suppressed form was small like Frieza's Base and their Base was huge like his Third (Second Transformation)... talk about throwing someone off lol.
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For me Cooler's 100% power is his fourth form the one that fights Base Goku in the beginning when he appears, his final form is a transformation he discovered, something which Frieza could not.

King Cold is a mystery, the guy appeared for 2 chapters or something and immediately got destroyed so who knows?
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Do y'all think Cooler and Cold are capable of training themselves to suppression forms like Freeza, undergoing a change?
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Jul 1 2015, 03:51 PM
Do y'all think Cooler and Cold are capable of training themselves to suppression forms like Freeza, undergoing a change?
Yeah, I do.

Coola says in the movie that he has just as many transformations as his brother, and then introduces the extra transformation he figured out. We're also told in one of the guidebooks (I'd have to do some digging to uncover which one) that he doesn't use the lower forms because he has good ki control and doesn't need them. Given how similar his normal form looks to Freeza's, I'd wager that it's his "true' form as well, and his "Super" form is something that actually raises his power instead of lowering it.

As for Cold, the Dragon Books point out that he "also appears to be the type whose abilities increase by transforming." So I'm thinking that it's not a coincidence that he resembles one of Freeza's suppressive forms. But if he's overall less powerful than Freeza, then he could have less of those forms and his true form could still max out as somewhat weaker than Freeza's too.
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Cold is a beast, y'all.

Imagine if he trained.
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Jul 1 2015, 04:20 PM
Cold is a beast, y'all.

Imagine if he trained.
What did he do that was so impressive? He was so worthless that Freeza didn't even consider reviving him
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