Fate/Zero vs Fate/Stay Night

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Fate/Zero vs Fate/Stay Night
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*Copy_Ninja*	Jun 22 2015, 02:37 PM Post #1
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	3 scenarios, all battles take place at the Eizenbern Castle Scenario 1: Each Master/Servant combo (as they are at the start of the series) face off with their counter-part from the other series. Whichever side has the most wins takes the scenario. To clarify, the match ups are: Kirei & Assassin vs Assassin (no Master because Caster cheated) Tokiomi & Archer vs Rin & Archer Kiritsugu & Saber vs Shirou & Saber Shinji & Rider vs Waver & Rider Ryonnosuke & Caster vs Kuzuki & Caster Kayneth & Lancer vs Kirei & Lancer Kariya & Bserker vs Illya & Beserker Scenario 2: Everyone from Fate/Zero teams up to face everyone from Fate/Stay Night Scenario 3: A massive Grail War involving everyone from both series (including multiple versions of the same character for those in both). Who wins?
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EMIYA	Jun 22 2015, 03:53 PM Post #2
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I'll be spoiling a bit here, quite a bit so forgive me if you've just based it off the UBW anime. PART 1 Round 1: Fate Assassin isn't even supposed to be here. He's not eve supposed to be a real assassin. But regardless of that, this guy was taking on and even overpowering Saber at points. The same girl who was considered to be one of the best overall servants. There's even implication in the VN I believe that the guy managed to hold Berserker at bay (plus other people.) Poor Kirei, even in F/Z when he's at his strongest and Zero Assassin will be wrecked by this guy. The most that can be said for them is that maybe one of the Assassins will be able to finally sneak in and get a kill. There's biggest advantage right now is their numbers and that may hopefully push a win in their direction Round 2: Rin is considered a prodigy mage so she's nothing to laugh at. Unfortunately her father is the better mage and in fact in Zero is considered one of the best mages in the world along with Kayneth. As for Gilgamesh and Archer, because UBW, Archer has the ability to deal with Gate of Babylon and also thanks to Rin has more than enough Mana to keep it steady. Because of the way UBW works, he has a very slight edge against GOB. At the same time Gilgamesh does have Ea and if he gets the chance to use that all is lost. Overall I'd slide in the win for Team Zero. Tokiomi's superiority as a mage gives him the win over Rin and while Archer's UBW is a bit over Gate of Babylon, Archer makes up for it with Ea. Plus I'm unsure if Archer can trace Vimana (Gilgamesh's ship) which is just going to put more of an edge for Team Zero. Round 3: It may not be by much but Kiritsugu is the better mage and thus the stats for his Saber will be superior to the one Shirou has. Considering Kiritsugu's nature, he can pretty much take on Shirou. Assuming Shirou doesn't go on Unlimited Blade Works Tracing or anything of course. Round 4: Waver may not win any #1 Mage awards, but he's a hell of a lot better than anything Shinji's going to pull up. This sucks for Fate/Rider because that heavily diminishes her stats. Spoilers: Spoiler: click to toggle Fate Rider is the Gorgon Medusa who has her mystic eyes that can lower the ranks of a servant. With Shinji as her master, even in a straight up fight she'd probably be hard pressed to deal with Iskander. If she has her real Mater though (Matou Sakura) who has the same level of magical potential as Rin, different story. I'd almost easily have her winning the fight in a straight up battle. her other Noble Phantasm, Bellephoron (AKA Pegasus) easily overwhelms Zero Rider's Gordius Wheel. In the end it comes down to it vs Ionian Heitaiori. If she's got Shinji as her master, she probably wouldn't make it. With Sakura though and a huge amount of of mana, I may honestly give her the win here. It's not like Rider's army is going to be doing much against a divine flying winged horse storming about. It's hard to admit but I think I might have to give it to Fate Rider, only depending on who the master is. Round 5: Ryunnosuke is probably just slightly better as a mage than Shinji though to be fair Kuzuki may not be that much better. I mean Kuzuki's going to beat the crap out of the kid regardless of whether Caster's reinforcing him or not. As for the two Casters, both Caster's have Anti-Army Noble Phantasms and similar abilities that a ll Caster's have. Overall I want to give Zero Caster the win due to his eldritch monster. It took an Anti-Fortress level weapon to destroy it Fate/Zero really just doesn't have that on her disposal. Round 6. Again this is a bit hard because there's many things to take into consideration. Big of a d* Kayneth is, he's still one of the finest mages there is while Kirei is not. Therefore the stats for his Lancer would be thought to be higher than Fate Lancer. However Fate Lancer is considered to be the strongest lancer with a short hit kill Noble Phantasm. Doesn't help that Zero Lancer's LUCK is ranked E (the lowest) which I think may be the same for Fate Lancer but don't quote me on that yet. I mean its an either or I suppose at this point. Round 7: Illiya is a beast. She's a complete magus produced piece of loli-created beast who happened to summon a mothering demigod. A demigod who I may say is actually not at his best. Being summoned as a Berserker class actually was the worst thing that could happen to him. Now ad din God Hand (Heracles lives) which works in that no attack lower than an A-Rank can hurt him and the same attack can be used twice. For Zero Berserker, while his skills easily trumps Fate Berserker because of his Mastery of Arms, anything he holds is basically reduced to I believe a D-Rank weapon. At the very least it ain't no A-Rank that's for sure. The only chance the guy has really in even damaging Fate Berserker is use Arondonght and hope that's powerful enough to get rid of all of Berserker's lives in one go. In the Fate/Route Shirou was actually able to produce a flawed and weaker version of Caliburn which took out 7 of Berserker's lives simultaneously. I'm going to stop for there for now, I'll try to get to the other parts of the OP soon. Edited by EMIYA**, Jun 23 2015, 03:57 PM.



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