The Big One vs Blue

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The Big One vs Blue
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 22 2015, 02:44 AM (3,288 Views)
lazerbem	Jun 22 2015, 02:44 AM Post #1
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	The previous raptor alpha vs the new raptor beta. I would favor Blue, just because she wasn't fooled by an eleven year old girl's reflection trick. Big One had lots of hype, but in the end, she slammed her head right into a metal door
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+ miguelnuva	Jun 25 2015, 10:04 PM Post #16
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	TheACE Jun 25 2015, 06:44 PM Seriously, animals guys, not super heroes. They aren't going to out think each other. The Big One was shown to out think a game hunter.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 25 2015, 10:56 PM Post #17
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The selling point of the raptors was that they were great thinkers and problem solvers.
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Tinny	Jun 25 2015, 11:35 PM Post #18
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Pyrus Jun 25 2015, 10:56 PM The selling point of the raptors was that they were great thinkers and problem solvers. I'm pretty sure more specifically the idea is that they were better dogs that could do better in a fight than them, and cloths coordinate more independently. I mean Mr. Let's pit raptors against a super t-rex clearly saw them as basically better dogs.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 26 2015, 12:05 AM Post #19
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	tin man Jun 25 2015, 11:35 PM Pyrus Jun 25 2015, 10:56 PM The selling point of the raptors was that they were great thinkers and problem solvers. I'm pretty sure more specifically the idea is that they were better dogs that could do better in a fight than them, and cloths coordinate more independently. I mean Mr. Let's pit raptors against a super t-rex clearly saw them as basically better dogs. That was specifically about the JP raptors. Muldoon described them as great problem solvers.
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Tinny	Jun 26 2015, 12:28 AM Post #20
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Pyrus Jun 26 2015, 12:05 AM tin man Jun 25 2015, 11:35 PM Pyrus Jun 25 2015, 10:56 PM The selling point of the raptors was that they were great thinkers and problem solvers. I'm pretty sure more specifically the idea is that they were better dogs that could do better in a fight than them, and cloths coordinate more independently. I mean Mr. Let's pit raptors against a super t-rex clearly saw them as basically better dogs. That was specifically about the JP raptors. Muldoon described them as great problem solvers. Whoops, my bad. That said, unless he specified that it was approaching human level intellect then I assume it's on the levels of smart dogs or monkeys.
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TheACE	Jun 26 2015, 12:30 AM Post #21
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	miguelnuva Jun 25 2015, 10:04 PM TheACE Jun 25 2015, 06:44 PM Seriously, animals guys, not super heroes. They aren't going to out think each other. The Big One was shown to out think a game hunter. She was hunting Muldoon. What did Grant say? 65 million years of Gut Instinct. She was designed for it. Pyrus Jun 25 2015, 10:56 PM The selling point of the raptors was that they were great thinkers and problem solvers. Yeah but they're whole MO is "I gotta eat. I gotta hunt. I gotta, emmm." I mean you guys can relate to at least one of those things am I right? Actual statements and science, this is what an Apex predator does. Honestly, all they're both going to be "thinking" is "threat to food, threat to ermm! Must kill!" Then that's that.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 26 2015, 12:43 AM Post #22
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The Big One was similar to the Indominus in that she hunted for sport. She was more malicious than any other raptor we've seen or heard of in the franchise, outright killing five of her peers simply to show dominance. Killing one would've sufficed, but no, she killed a whole four more, and then proceeded to order the remaining two to hit the fences and try to find weak points. She was a bad b*. The raptors in JW were docile compared to her. Anyway, my point was that she's a bit different from the casual raptor in that she doesn't think exactly like one. She'll f* with you because she finds it fun, not because she needs to eat or feels threatened.
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TheACE	Jun 26 2015, 12:57 AM Post #23
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Fun... Is subjective. Any on screen action we see of her is just her actively hunting with the pack, killing and trying to kill. Even Muldon that was a pretty standard pincer move, Lions do that. Blue and her girls hunted down that Indominous pretty effectively too, just as quickly, and took out a full squad of trained soldiers, whom I'm sure are just as well trained as Muldoon was. So I'm no selling that one, I just can't see it. The only majorly different ones I've ever seen, I think Lazer may have mentioned it, were the ones from JP3. Those crazy a*** super intelligent ones. Tracking eggs and calling for help and such. But other wise, Nublar Raptors really don't differ wildly.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 26 2015, 01:33 AM Post #24
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	TheACE Jun 26 2015, 12:57 AM Fun... Is subjective. Any on screen action we see of her is just her actively hunting with the pack, killing and trying to kill. Even Muldon that was a pretty standard pincer move, Lions do that. Blue and her girls hunted down that Indominous pretty effectively too, just as quickly, and took out a full squad of trained soldiers, whom I'm sure are just as well trained as Muldoon was. So I'm no selling that one, I just can't see it. The only majorly different ones I've ever seen, I think Lazer may have mentioned it, were the ones from JP3. Those crazy a*** super intelligent ones. Tracking eggs and calling for help and such. But other wise, Nublar Raptors really don't differ wildly. She killed and presumably ate Muldoon, which should have been enough to keep her full for a while, yet she went after the other humans. That's why I say she hunted for fun. I didn't say she wasn't wildly different in the manner you're speaking of – I specified maliciousness, because that's what she was. The raptors in JP3 may have been the smartest set we've seen to date, but they weren't very malicious like the ones in JP, and I don't remember if they were going to let the humans go at the end or not.
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TheACE	Jun 26 2015, 01:51 AM Post #25
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Well the Lost World novels explained that the Sorna raptors are more savage and violent than the Nublar ones anyway, lack of structure. If I remember correctly, either the chopper sounds or (and I hesitate to say this because its stupid) Grant actually did send them away with his vocalization chamber, because it looked like the pack was going to kill Grant and the Kirbys anyway, but that's aside from the point. Although, as far as hunting the kids, we don't know if that would ha e kept her full. They said it in Lost World, we have no idea what's its (The baby rex)'s metabolism is. So who knows, maybe she DID need a whole third of a buffalo to keep fed. We don't actually know, so she and her sisters could have still been hungry. She was violent, but she was also bigger and stronger than the other two anyway. And she's a freaky raptor frog hybrid, so the genome is a mess in the first place, so I'm sure that has to factor in somewhere. But point is neither Blue or Biggie are gonna do anything different from any other raptor. They'll size each other up, posture, fight and the fittest will win. Odds on, Biggie's probably got an edge given that she has successfully killed 5 other raptors on her own, so Blue is probably another notch I her scaley tail.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 26 2015, 02:10 AM Post #26
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The raptors in TLW and the ones in JP3 were definitely a different pack. The ones in TLW were savage and had no structure, but the ones in JP3 clearly had an alpha and beta system going on. I agree that the Big One should win this. She's bigger, obviously, and should by logic be stronger, and has at least six confirmed kills under her belt. I love Blue, but aside from hunting the Indominus, surviving a slap from it, and attacking it with Rexy, I don't remember her killing anything.
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TheACE	Jun 26 2015, 02:28 AM Post #27
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lazerbem	Jun 26 2015, 02:30 AM Post #28
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	The Big One also faceplanted into a fridge and was unable to fight for a good minute because of it. Her intelligence varies from opening doors to not understanding what a reflection is and charging with enough force to knock herself out
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TheACE	Jun 26 2015, 02:35 AM Post #29
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	lazerbem Jun 26 2015, 02:30 AM The Big One also faceplanted into a fridge and was unable to fight for a good minute because of it. Her intelligence varies from opening doors to not understanding what a reflection is and charging with enough force to knock herself out So what? Is Blue gonna go track down a mirror, angle it, the ambush Biggie once she gets into position? Blue the raptor from "The Critic's" version of Jurassic Park? Seriously, she's an animal. Always with the low balling feats with you Lazer, intervention time lol!
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+ Pyrus	Jun 26 2015, 02:38 AM Post #30
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Blue doesn't have any feats to low-ball her. Her sister does, but she never did anything other than attacking the Indominus that would make someone question her intelligence.
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