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| + Pyrus | Jun 20 2015, 04:13 AM Post #1 |
 
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A rivalry originating mostly from Jurassic Park 3, I figured it'd be interesting to see the responses now that Jurassic World has come out. SIZE Rexy: 43 feet long, 17 feet tall Spino: 41-59 feet long, 13 feet high (not including sail) WEIGHT Rexy: 6.6-9 tonnes (14,550-19,841 pounds) Spino: 7-20.9 tonnes (15,432-46,076 pounds) Rexy is royalty, being the original Tyrannosaur from Jurassic Park, just 22 years older, which should make her bigger and stronger in Jurassic World. She's going up the Spinosaurus from Jurassic Park 3. My take is that the Rex from JP3 was a sub-adult male, so he was smaller than a fully grown adult female like Rexy, and the Spinosaurus had its hands full with him. Rexy was able to tango with the Indominus Rex for a bit before being overwhelmed by its strength (which is understandable as it was created to be bigger and better than the Rex). With Rexy being around the same size as the Spinosaur, and being a much bigger and stronger specimen, I think she'd definitely take home the victory, especially since from what we saw of her in JW, she goes right for the neck, which should be an insta-kill move. |
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| lazerbem | Jun 26 2015, 07:55 PM Post #31 |
 
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You say Rexy lost because of the I-rex's long arms. Spinosaurus possesses long arms as well, and they look more muscular than I-rex's. Only thing he lacks is the opposable thumb, but that part's not as important. Why would the fight be any different than the I-rex fight, if not shorter? Because the I-rex was a greenhorn whilst the Spinosaurus is a seasoned battler. |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 26 2015, 09:27 PM Post #32 |
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The fights and fighters are different, even if they have similar builds. The Spino's arms helped with the kill shot but before that they might as well have been T-Rex arms for the good they did, which is the opposite of the I-Rex. Just because the Spinosaur snapped a T-Rex's neck once doesn't mean that's how it would end every fight with one, nor would it mean the Indominus would use the same tactic. Rexy never left herself open to an attack like that either. It doesn't change the fights, though. The Spino wasn't winning against a juvenile T-Rex until the end (even if it walked out without lasting damage), and Rexy got beat 1-on-1 against the Indominus. Edited by Pyrus, Jun 26 2015, 09:29 PM.
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| lazerbem | Jun 26 2015, 09:51 PM Post #33 |
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The Spinosaurus used them to keep its balance when it got out of the T-rex's jaws, that's a fine use for them until he needs to pull into his jiu-jitsu handbook. The I-rex did like one slash with its arms before just going for the "nom" strategy. Spinosaurus is more than capable of doing the same thing, if not worse |
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| + miguelnuva | Jun 26 2015, 10:51 PM Post #34 |
 
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How is Spinosaurus going to beat Rexy worse then a Super Dinosaur? Throught marketing and the films T-Rex and Spino were shown as the Apex Dinosaurs, Indominus on the other hand is called a monster and is being compared to Godzilla. |
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| Tinny | Jun 26 2015, 11:01 PM Post #35 |
 
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The spinosaurus got bit in the neck by a t-rex and was fine, then it snapped said t-rex's neck. I half expect this thing to be shooting lasers at some point. They may have portrayed them different, but krillin would be one of the most powerful characters in allot of shows as well. |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 26 2015, 11:24 PM Post #36 |
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The fight didn't go exactly as you remember. The Indominus used its arms a lot more than once. The defining first slash that marked the changing of tides was just the beginning of a short flurry before it bit down on Rexy's neck after she'd been pulled to the ground. It didn't go into "nom nom" mode until Rexy was vulnerable on the ground. Re-watching the fight again now, I noticed the Indominus landed a bite to Rexy's neck to free itself from her initial grip, and Rexy was able to still stand and fight after the Indominus had brought her down the first time (of course, then she got dragged into a building). Spinosaurus is capable of using its arms in the same fashion, but that doesn't mean it will or that it'll work. It tried using its arms against the juvenile and missed, then didn't use them again until the final blow. When it was in the juvenile's maw, it didn't use its arms to free itself or gain the advantage. That's basically taking two pieces of the fight and ignoring the rest, like if I only acknowledged Rexy killing the individual raptors in the first movie and said she had no trouble whatsoever with them, when in fact she was at least bothered by the Big One on her back. Edited by Pyrus, Jun 26 2015, 11:26 PM.
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| lazerbem | Jun 26 2015, 11:47 PM Post #37 |
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She wasn't bothered though? She was never in any danger what so ever from them as even the JP Raptors can't cut in deep enough to do anything. It's kind of like saying that a mouse scratching my neck bothers me; yes, it does bother me, but it's not really hurting me. The problem is lack of accessibility, not anything else.
The Spinosaurus was tossed in there to basically replace T-rex and show that T-rex was obsolete. It proceeds to ram this point into the ground by slaughtering the first T-rex it sees, seeking them out for no reason other than it apparently hates T-rexes, chasing down a plane to its crash site within minutes, slamming through giant fences, and tanking several shots of Cooper's uber gun. The Indominus has lots feats, but it was still immature and its speed pales in comparison to the Spinosaurus practically teleporting to wherever it needs to be
The Spinosaurus tried the slash technique a couple of times, it just missed due to being at a bad angle and the T-rex pressing on. Rexy can try the neckbite, but it's not like she's going to instantly kill it if that's the case, she's not THAT much bigger than the JP3 one. The Spinosaurus can tank quite a bit of her punishment before moving itself into position to use its claws and pull off its jiu jitsu |
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| Tinny | Jun 26 2015, 11:50 PM Post #38 |
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The t-rex was essentially unable to do anything to it, the most the dino could do was throw it off balance, and while it was doing that it snapped the rex's neck. That's pretty much what happened, the rex threw and pushed it a bit before the super dino won with one neck snap, It's about as much a fight as Tien vs Mercenary Tao was, or Krillin vs the huge man in the preliminaries. You put a dinosuar against some kind of mutant pretending to be a dinosaur. Edited by Tinny, Jun 27 2015, 12:10 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Jun 27 2015, 12:08 AM Post #39 |
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The Big One was doing some kind of damage. Rexy still had scars on her neck in JW. And if she wasn't in any danger whatsoever, why was the Indominus throwing such a fit with Blue on it? You said earlier it'd be akin to a cat attacking your face, but that seems a lot more extreme than a largely irrelevant dinosaur, for lack of a better word, latching onto the Indominus' back when Rexy was the main objective. Honestly, I don't think we're going to come to a conclusion on this one. We just don't know how their fight would go in actuality. Rexy would drag it around by the neck or eventually get a fatal bite, the Spino would tank everything, the Spino would snap Rexy's neck, Rexy is far more to the point than the juvenile, etc. We could go on and on arguing the meat of it. That's glossing over the fight. The juvenile wasn't able do any lasting damage (which goes for the Spino as well, considering it did jack until the end), but it still controlled the fight until the end. The Spino won, and I'm not denying that at all, but I don't understand this mentality that it owned the Tyrannosaur or was never in any danger of losing. There's also something which hasn't been brought up at all yet, which is the Spinosaurus' sail is its most vulnerable point. If that was damaged during a fight, the dinosaur would essentially be crippled. Personally, I think the Indominus is tougher than the Spinosaurus. It survived a lot more punishment from a bigger T. rex than the Spinosaurus did, tanked a blow to the head from an Ankylosaur, crushed glass that could withstand a 50. caliber bullet, survived an RPG, was virtually unfazed by a hail of assault rifle fire from the InGen mercenaries, and was still alive in the Mosasaur's grip – most of that after she survived a fight against Rexy and the Raptor Squad. The Spinosaurus tore up an airplane, killed a juvenile T. rex, smashed through a steel fence, and could swim, but I wouldn't say it's as smart as the Indominus (shouldn't logically be either), and it has a weak spot, which the Indominus doesn't. Edited by Pyrus, Jun 27 2015, 12:12 AM.
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| lazerbem | Jun 27 2015, 12:16 AM Post #40 |
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The Spinosaurus's sail is a really out of the way target and rather high. The Spinosaurus does slump sometimes, but generally a few nibbles would be all that could be managed, and doing that would put her neck in the perfect spot for the neck snap. As for the Indominus, biting through bullet proof glass does not mean that her bite is more powerful than something like that. Bulletproof glass only has to deflect the force for an instant, if you shot it again in the same spot, it would collapse. The gyrosphere was already damaged by the Ankylosaurus and chewing on it is a prolonged force compared to a gun shot. As for the assault fire, most of it missed IIRC and the RPG isn't quite as impressive as it sounds. None of the actual explosion hit her, and that's where an RPG's strength lies, in the collumn of superheated copper that's shot out. The actual shockwave isn't the huge issue and that's why it's not quite as impressive as it looks. Being alive in the Mosasaur's grip also really isn't a feat at all. Ducks are still alive when alligators drag them down to drown after all Also, you forgot to mention Cooper unloading his mega gun into the Spinosaurus and not leaving a single wound. Indominus may have taken assault rifle rounds, but the Spinosaurus was unaffected by a gun that exploded a plane in a single shot. Edited by lazerbem, Jun 27 2015, 12:16 AM.
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| Tinny | Jun 27 2015, 12:17 AM Post #41 |
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Sorry, I edited my post a bit, but again I just watched it, all it could do was push it a bit. It essentially was thrown a bit, then the rex off, got hit on the side, and countered the next attack with a neck snap. It was not a fight, it was a stomp. EDIT Heck here is the "fight" https://youtu.be/M7tNqjsclhs Edited by Tinny, Jun 27 2015, 12:22 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Jun 27 2015, 12:47 AM Post #42 |
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It was the combination of all of that that I was mainly trying to get across, not that any of it individually was super amazing, although it does have more feats to judge it on than the Spinosaurus. All of that was off-screen, though. It can only be inferred that Cooper used the Einhorn, or that any of those shots hit. We heard two sets of shots, the second being louder than the first and after Nash and Udesky had retreated back to the plane. I'm inclined to say they didn't connect based on the Spino's hip being damaged by the plane running into it, and the T.rex making the Spino bleed a few minutes after that. 20mm incendiary rounds being unable to do any damage whatsoever doesn't add up to me, not when Roland went in expecting his elephant gun to take down a buck T.rex and other dinosaurs have been brought down (or expected to be) by modern weapons; that wasn't the Indominus they were firing at, after all, who we physically saw survive gunfire. How was it a stomp? The Spinosaurus was on the defensive until the last second. Unless you're basing your answer on that one attack, that fight shouldn't qualify as a stomp. Yeah, I saw the fight. I've been watching that and the JW fight over and over throughout this whole debate and I'm still lost. At best it was an equal fight, and at worst the Spino was on the defensive. If you're on the defensive for most of the fight, and only manage to win by getting around your opponent and snapping his neck because he charged past you, you didn't own him – you capitalized on your opportunity. Maybe if the fight had gone on longer, or either combatant was able to inflict more than cosmetic damage, this would be easier to judge. Edited by Pyrus, Jun 27 2015, 01:09 AM.
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| Tinny | Jun 27 2015, 01:16 AM Post #43 |
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I qualify it as such because the spinosaurus never seemed to be in trouble after shrugging off the bite. (I'll admit i wasn't even sure if that was blood or leaves flying, though I'll admit it seemed top draw some blood.) And for that matter, again, it was on the defensive in the sense that the T-rex was attacking, but like, look at Krillin vs Cell while absorbing 18, was Cell on the defensive? Was that an equal fight?, or did Tien vs Tao have Tao winning the fight for most of it? The T-rex had three hits in, and only one even drew blood, though it didn't slow him down, the Spinosaurus only needed one shot to kill it. The spinosaurus exited the fight without any sort of lasting injury and apparently hunts them. Rexy has nothing every close to that impressive, other than surviving the i-rex with the help of Blue distracting it. Edited by Tinny, Jun 27 2015, 01:17 AM.
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| lazerbem | Jun 27 2015, 01:34 AM Post #44 |
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How could he possibly miss something that large? It's not like the Indominus where it can camo and it has a far larger profile as well, not to mention being extremely aggressive. Also, why would Cooper be so distraught and trying to run if his shots had only missed? Surely he'd be trying to shoot the damn thing and not be running away crying because he missed twice. The plane also never connected with the Spinosaur's hip, what are you referring to? I see no scars on the Spinosaurus's side. Do you mean the blood splatter? I thought that was Cooper's blood. If it hit the Spinosaurus, I think there would be a scar at least. If it in fact was hit and the only result was a bit of blood spatter, that makes it seem even more uber since having part of plane rotor slam into it is apparently on par with a paper cut. Roland expecting to take down the T-rex doesn't mean much when it's clear he knows jacks*** about dinosaurs("Friar Tuck"). Also, the Spinosaurus was on steroids by comparison to every other dinosaur in the previous movies. As for the Indominus, its best concrete feat is tanking several shotgun blasts to the face by that one ACU guy. However, it was slowed down by them as it allowed the other two ACU members to escape whilst one of them was wounded(their heartrate doesn't go down)
It's a stomp based on the fact that T-rex's bite draws pitifully tiny amounts of blood and leaves no scarring and his headbutt does nothing. The Spinosaurus also doesn't really seem all that pained by it and only makes a couple of grunts. The Spinosaurus's bite has the T-rex screaming like no-tomorrow and bleeding everywhere(the blood might just be be the stripes). Basically, to see why this is a stomp, imagine if this was done with humanoid creatures. Creature 1 bites Creature 2's neck, Creature 2 bleeds a small amount but is mostly okay. Creature 2 shoves off Creature 1 and has a couple of punches dodged before being shoulder tackled. Creature 2 then grabs Creature 1's neck and snaps it. Imagine a fight like that in DBZ even, it would be labeled a stomp |
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| + miguelnuva | Jun 27 2015, 04:44 AM Post #45 |
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A stomp is Vegeta vs Dodoria or Frieza vs Vegeta, the fact Sp8no was on the losing in means the fight wasn't a stomp. Also unlike JP III Spino doesn't have a director that hates T-Rex backing him up here also has was Spino any faster then any other Big Dino.
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