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Orichalcos Weevil vs Orichalcos Mai
Topic Started: Jun 19 2015, 12:34 AM (1,400 Views)
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Weevil isn't going to be toying around and both of them have five minutes to set up a side deck from Dartz's collection based on their knowledge of the other. Best out of three(let's ignore the Orichalcos eats your soul part)
Edited by lazerbem, Jun 19 2015, 01:02 AM.
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Jun 19 2015, 03:52 AM
Joey wouldn't necessarily have beaten Yugi. His card could've been returned to him for managing to give Yugi a good duel. If you're insinuating that Yugi lost with 3 God Cards in his deck and after beating Kaiba, someone that Joey could never beat even in filler, then there may be some problems.
But Yami had all three God Card out, he even gave them to Grandpa (Not like Joey hasn't faced a God Card and survived.)

All that aside, even putting that point away, what does Weevil have up on Nai that puts her out, even though speed, consistency, strategy, power, flexibility, control, protection, field presence, and just plain synergy are on her side? Don't say luck, Weevil doesn't have any. What can Weevil do to out play her with 9 factors like thay stacked against him?
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Heart of the cards applies to every duelist, it just depends on their tier. Like, Yugi would wreck Bonz even if Yugi had a crappy deck because it would alter luck in his favor. It's part of the reason why someone like Dartz can't just be beaten by "lol, Marshmallon", because they can actively play with luck. In Weevil and Mai's case, their heart of the cards seems rather even, but Weevil holding down unstable Atem shows him as more competent than Mai doing well against a holding back Joey and winning against an exhausted Joey.

Also, comparing decks realistically means very little. Realistically, Kaiba and Pegasus's deck should stomp all over Yugi's deck because Yugi's deck is a non-synergic mess
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You have a death grip on that whole "Doing decent against Yami thing." There is nothing else to that argument, except for the fact that Yami couldn't attack for 90% of the duel. Once those cuffs were off, Yami wrecked shop. Weevil can't get over mirror wall, so they'd be stuck until Mai back row wipes. And he still can't stand up to the combo she pulled off in every duel of the arc. What can Weevil REALLY do?

Actually I'm gonna push another set of buttons. How many other duelists have had Yami on the ropes?

Joey Wheeler - Season one, Season 2 (Possesed) and evidently after season 3
Seto Kaiba - for the best showing, Season 3 and he was actually 1 TURN AWAY FROM WINNING IN THE MOVIE. Seriously, Yugi had a clear board and no response. He was dead. Any time they duel really.
Maximillian Pegagus - Season 1 Finale
Mai Valentine - Season 1 & YCS
Raphael - Hell he beat him in season 4
Dartz - Season 4
Yusei Fudo - YCS.
Marik Ishtar - Season 2
Yami Marik - Season 3, damn near dead to rights too
Astral - YCS
Yami Bakura - Season 5
Christ, Jaden f***ing Yuki gave him a good duel! Jaden Yuki! So Weevil giving Yami a good duel while he was off his game? Neat. But... And I hate to upset you. Its been done, and all these guys did it better. You think Weevil is in Kaiba or Yusei's category? You think he's nearly as good as Marik or Pegasus?
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With the Orichalcos, yeah, I'd say he's around BC finalist level with the Orichalcos. He got a really big boost from the Orichalcos and DOMA Atem is already better than BC Atem. I don't see why you assume that Yami Yugi stayed static throughout the arcs, he was much tougher as of the DOMA arc than as DK or BC. YCS isn't canon but even if it was, we don't know the time period of the Pharoah or Mai and as such, we can't really compare them. So basically

Weevil giving mindgamed Atem a close duel>Mai beating an exhausted Joey
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So, literally the only thing you can respond with is that Weevil's FAILURE looked better than Mai's SUCCESS?!? And you are clinging to it for dear life. Face it, Mai has Weevil DEAD TO RIGHTS. In 9 Categories out of 10. Do you have anything else?
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Pretty much, yeah? Just because someone fails constantly doesn't make them any worse. I mean, Kaiba loses 80% of his duels and he's among the top tiers. Bakura and Dartz have only won a single duel, Bakura against fodder, does that make them weak?

Weevil's loss is more impressive than Mai's win because Atem while off his game is a better opponent than Joey after having gone through an enormously tough duel against Valon
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Mai crushes Weevil's head with her tatas.
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Jun 19 2015, 03:45 PM
Pretty much, yeah? Just because someone fails constantly doesn't make them any worse. I mean, Kaiba loses 80% of his duels and he's among the top tiers. Bakura and Dartz have only won a single duel, Bakura against fodder, does that make them weak?

Weevil's loss is more impressive than Mai's win because Atem while off his game is a better opponent than Joey after having gone through an enormously tough duel against Valon
Yeah but that certainly doesn't make him Kaiba class. And Kaiba doesn't remotely lose 80% of his duels. Like he's only lost against Yami, Pegasus and technically Dartz. And Bakura's losses in Millenium World greatly over shafow Anything Weevil has ever dreamed of. And Dartz did lose, but against the 2 Best Duelists period, AT THE SAME TIME. Face it, you're throwing straight bias on a filler feat. You've got no response to this one Lazer my man. That's the 6th time this thread you've put up that chewbacca defense and you haven't said another word. You're not even promoting Weevil, you're attacking Mai. She's got his number. /Thread. *Mix Drop*

Go ahead, pick it up.
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Kaiba's had 19 duels if you include the one with the duel robot and the Virtual World mini-arc, and he's won 15 of those, meaning he's only lost about 20%.

Joey's had 31 duels if you include his dream duel in the Battle City arc and the 3 No Result/Not Shown, and he's only won 12, so he's won barely over half the duels he's been in. I suppose that's better than being in the red.

Yugi is harder to do because he's two people and I ain't got the time for him right now.
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My mistake with Kaiba's ratio, I forgot all of the lackeys and stuff he's beaten.
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Based on dueling achievements then Weevil holds an advantage over Mai, but I can't see how the bug duelist will deal with Mai's deck at that particular arc. She has way better moves that I don't recall counters from Weevil's side. I'm almost certain that Mai was hyped as superior to Weevil but in the same tier post Orichalcos.

So hype and feats go to Mai, but achievements to Weevil.
In the end i choose Mai after a nice duel.
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