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Dumbeldore vs Gandalf
Topic Started: Jun 12 2015, 12:47 AM (1,355 Views)
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Not sure if this is stomp thread or not since I have no clue how strong Gandalf is relatively.

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Ok here's the real question. CAST TIME?!?! Who's got the shorter cast time? I'd say it goes to Gandolf. You Shall Not Pass!
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Jun 12 2015, 02:20 AM
Ok here's the real question. CAST TIME?!?! Who's got the shorter cast time? I'd say it goes to Gandolf. You Shall Not Pass!
They can both cast wordlessly and both have shields. But Dumbledore has not defended against bolts of lightning whilst Gandalf has survived a telekinetic slam from the Balrog that was strong enough to shatter dwarven doors. I'm inclined to put Gandalf's fortitude as superior, considering that was Gandalf the Gray who survived that
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Jun 12 2015, 02:18 AM
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Jun 12 2015, 02:12 AM
You can't compare magic and just say it's better
It's different series lol
Also to lazy to check but I'm sure albus has some speed feats
But teleportation plus crazy spells it's pretty much over
Why not? Gandalf's magic is far more impressive. It's a situation similar to how Freeza's psychokinesis doesn't work on SSJ Goku like it does on Krillin.

And the teleportation isn't going to help him when Gandalf decides to call down lightning on him, Dumbledore still needs to appear somewhere and Gandalf's lightning has AOE. Nearly all of Dumbledore's spells Gandalf can do better, combat worthy ones at least. Avada Kedavra is nice, being telekinetically smashed is far simpler and more versatile.
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None of whom have any particular magical strength other than Legolas, being an Elf.

He still can't match Dumbledore being able to Apparate mid battle nothing stops him going right behind Gandalf and killing him. He can also do it silently.

He can render himself invisible but I think Gandalf could probably see through that illusion.

Also stated to be great at flying so if he has any sort of skill to play Quidditch his reflexes are definitely not slow.


As for magic not working, given that Dumbledore uses a wand made by Death itself that should cancel that out can't really argue which is more powerful.

Dumbledore could fend off the five Nazgul on Weathertop, I think he can handle attacks from many angles.

Igniting arrows in mid-air as well as calling down bolts of lightning on the Nazgul is better speed.

Perhaps on Gandalf the Gray, but Gandalf the White is quite uber.
All according to you... you say it as fact lmao
And teleportation is now useless damn ..wow
Is there a point in arguing if your just gonna say
Random things that support ur argument
Avada is just nice?? :rofl:
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Teleportation is useless when an opponent has fought off five undead attacking from all angles, yes. If Gandalf can react to that, he can react to Dumbledore teleporting.

And yes, Avada Kedavra is just nice. It's extremely overrated however. Magical creatures like dragons, giants, or Fluffy wouldn't be a threat if someone could just Killing Curse them. Why would Voldemort recruit giants if anyone could just fling a Killing Curse at them and be done with it? We also know that Hagrid tanked many stun spells, and he's only half giant. Obviously he didn't tank a killing curse, but he's not a full giant and the stun spells didn't sting him much either. Furthermore, the killing curse is subverted twice, it's not the end all you think it is.
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But gandalf is a different creature from a different series
So in other words a wizard who should be affected the same
Like in HP lol

And ur twisting a lot to fit ur narrative
Oh gandalf has better magic so he's stronger
Oh gandalf isn't he same so he can't be one shot killed by Avada
There's no proof other then making things up please stop it

Teleportation would still help smh

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Gandalf isn't the same as those wizards though. He's a heavily restricted angel and to call him the same in terms of magic resistance those wizards is absurd. This is the same guy who can fight the Balrog in a sword battle and be even with it, he's clearly not human. Why do you assume the Avada Kedavra would work when we know for a fact that there are many things in the HP verse with resistance to curses? Are you saying Gandalf is less resilient than a dragon? Because I'm fairly sure no dragon from HP would be capable of taking on Durin's Bane, the demon who destroyed Moria by himself
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Yeah and where are these angels feats for all this?
And he's more a spirit actually
Only special circumstances have Avada not work
Orcs and dragons ie large creature and beasts
Which gandalf is not, even if he is a spirt that's not the same thing
In hp it seems you have to be a sorts of a creature to nullify it
Might as well say all magic is null on gandalf
And that nothing would affect him
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So... if Gandalf the Grey gets hit by the Killing Curse... doesn't he just turn into Gandalf the White and merc Dumbledore anyway? Last I checked death makes Dumbledore die, and Gandalf's brights just get brighter.
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Jun 12 2015, 03:13 AM
Yeah and where are these angels feats for all this?
And he's more a spirit actually
Only special circumstances have Avada not work
Orcs and dragons ie large creature and beasts
Which gandalf is not, even if he is a spirt that's not the same thing
In hp it seems you have to be a sorts of a creature to nullify it
Might as well say all magic is null on gandalf
And that nothing would affect him
Spirit, angel, divine servant is what he is.

And define creature in the HP verse. Because maybe the divine servant made flesh would count as such.

Well actually, you could make that argument, as it's been said only a Maiar or Valar can kill another Maiar. It's not the greatest of things to bring up, but you could use it.
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Yeah but I think thats against rules
Also creature as in beast sorts like a dragon, orc giant ect...
Spirit angel shouldn't count espically since there's a human form
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It works against spiders and phoenixes, so it's not a human only spell. Where does one draw the lines of who the killing curse affects?
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Well phoenix are quite magical more so then most creatures, so that supports my case I guess
Plus it's small in nature
Giant spiders? I'm not sure it did
Seems like the pattern are giant beast creatures is a no go
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The Killing Curse so far as we know is an absolute, hence why the whole magical world was so amazed by Harry(even though they don't know what actually happened)

A target teleporting all over is way harder to fight than 5 with linear movement you can track 5 objects moving at once but not one going in unpredictable locations and distances.


There's also the Banishing Charm if Dumbledore gets Gandalf's staff away he can use that so he doesn't get it back and is sword if he has one.

There's plenty spells that immediately work too not all of them work like ranged attacks, the Imperius Curse is a notable one here.
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If the Killing Curse was absolute, why in the world would Voldemort waste his time with giants? They'd effectively be really big muggles who would get wrecked by the Killing Curse. Also, Fluffy would be a pointless guard if he could just be Killing Cursed. Not to mention Fawkes survived a Killing Curse(through reincarnation, but still)

Gandalf has the AOE to handle areas around him and if Dumbledore gets close, he gets stabbed.

It's extremely debatable if that would even work, especially on Glamdring. That one is heavily enchanted and was made to kill demons like Balrogs, I doubt it would be so easy to just get rid of. Gandalf can fight without his staff regardless, as seen against the Balrog.

Once more, if Imperius was so good, everyone would be using that instead of the Killing Curse. There'd be no point to killing someone if you can just mindcontrol them. There has to be drawbacks to it
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Because it's a crime to use the Killing Curse and the people from Hogwarts etc aren't likely to use it? Pretty sure the Ministry is also alerted when people use it same way they know if an underage wizard uses magic around Muggles.

If the guy Voldemort was stuck to used it on Fluffy everyone would know since he's supposed to be on the good side.

Fawkes is reborn from ashes Avada Kedavra doesn't destroy somethings body so that makes sense.


Not likely to get stabbed if he makes his clothes impervious to harm/outside forces.

Well like I said Dumbledore uses the Elder Wand so it's plenty powerful too. But yeah debatable.


Why would they? it's not like everyone has the same motives why turn someone you want to kill in to a slave if it doesn't really benefit you?
It seems to work on people afflicted from virtually any distance so it's fairly powerful, they don't even need to be controlled verbally.
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