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| Mihawk | Jun 12 2015, 12:47 AM Post #1 |
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Not sure if this is stomp thread or not since I have no clue how strong Gandalf is relatively. |
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| TheACE | Jun 12 2015, 02:20 AM Post #16 |
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Ok here's the real question. CAST TIME?!?! Who's got the shorter cast time? I'd say it goes to Gandolf. You Shall Not Pass! |
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| lazerbem | Jun 12 2015, 02:23 AM Post #17 |
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They can both cast wordlessly and both have shields. But Dumbledore has not defended against bolts of lightning whilst Gandalf has survived a telekinetic slam from the Balrog that was strong enough to shatter dwarven doors. I'm inclined to put Gandalf's fortitude as superior, considering that was Gandalf the Gray who survived that Edited by lazerbem, Jun 12 2015, 02:24 AM.
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jun 12 2015, 02:28 AM Post #18 |
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All according to you... you say it as fact lmao And teleportation is now useless damn ..wow Is there a point in arguing if your just gonna say Random things that support ur argument Avada is just nice?? |
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| lazerbem | Jun 12 2015, 02:35 AM Post #19 |
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Teleportation is useless when an opponent has fought off five undead attacking from all angles, yes. If Gandalf can react to that, he can react to Dumbledore teleporting. And yes, Avada Kedavra is just nice. It's extremely overrated however. Magical creatures like dragons, giants, or Fluffy wouldn't be a threat if someone could just Killing Curse them. Why would Voldemort recruit giants if anyone could just fling a Killing Curse at them and be done with it? We also know that Hagrid tanked many stun spells, and he's only half giant. Obviously he didn't tank a killing curse, but he's not a full giant and the stun spells didn't sting him much either. Furthermore, the killing curse is subverted twice, it's not the end all you think it is. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jun 12 2015, 03:03 AM Post #20 |
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But gandalf is a different creature from a different series So in other words a wizard who should be affected the same Like in HP lol And ur twisting a lot to fit ur narrative Oh gandalf has better magic so he's stronger Oh gandalf isn't he same so he can't be one shot killed by Avada There's no proof other then making things up please stop it Teleportation would still help smh |
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| lazerbem | Jun 12 2015, 03:07 AM Post #21 |
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Gandalf isn't the same as those wizards though. He's a heavily restricted angel and to call him the same in terms of magic resistance those wizards is absurd. This is the same guy who can fight the Balrog in a sword battle and be even with it, he's clearly not human. Why do you assume the Avada Kedavra would work when we know for a fact that there are many things in the HP verse with resistance to curses? Are you saying Gandalf is less resilient than a dragon? Because I'm fairly sure no dragon from HP would be capable of taking on Durin's Bane, the demon who destroyed Moria by himself |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jun 12 2015, 03:13 AM Post #22 |
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Yeah and where are these angels feats for all this? And he's more a spirit actually Only special circumstances have Avada not work Orcs and dragons ie large creature and beasts Which gandalf is not, even if he is a spirt that's not the same thing In hp it seems you have to be a sorts of a creature to nullify it Might as well say all magic is null on gandalf And that nothing would affect him |
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| TheACE | Jun 12 2015, 03:14 AM Post #23 |
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So... if Gandalf the Grey gets hit by the Killing Curse... doesn't he just turn into Gandalf the White and merc Dumbledore anyway? Last I checked death makes Dumbledore die, and Gandalf's brights just get brighter. |
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| lazerbem | Jun 12 2015, 03:21 AM Post #24 |
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Spirit, angel, divine servant is what he is. And define creature in the HP verse. Because maybe the divine servant made flesh would count as such. Well actually, you could make that argument, as it's been said only a Maiar or Valar can kill another Maiar. It's not the greatest of things to bring up, but you could use it. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jun 12 2015, 03:24 AM Post #25 |
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Yeah but I think thats against rules Also creature as in beast sorts like a dragon, orc giant ect... Spirit angel shouldn't count espically since there's a human form |
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| lazerbem | Jun 12 2015, 03:28 AM Post #26 |
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It works against spiders and phoenixes, so it's not a human only spell. Where does one draw the lines of who the killing curse affects? |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jun 12 2015, 03:30 AM Post #27 |
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Well phoenix are quite magical more so then most creatures, so that supports my case I guess Plus it's small in nature Giant spiders? I'm not sure it did Seems like the pattern are giant beast creatures is a no go |
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| + Steve | Jun 12 2015, 01:39 PM Post #28 |
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The Killing Curse so far as we know is an absolute, hence why the whole magical world was so amazed by Harry(even though they don't know what actually happened) A target teleporting all over is way harder to fight than 5 with linear movement you can track 5 objects moving at once but not one going in unpredictable locations and distances. There's also the Banishing Charm if Dumbledore gets Gandalf's staff away he can use that so he doesn't get it back and is sword if he has one. There's plenty spells that immediately work too not all of them work like ranged attacks, the Imperius Curse is a notable one here. |
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| lazerbem | Jun 12 2015, 02:04 PM Post #29 |
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If the Killing Curse was absolute, why in the world would Voldemort waste his time with giants? They'd effectively be really big muggles who would get wrecked by the Killing Curse. Also, Fluffy would be a pointless guard if he could just be Killing Cursed. Not to mention Fawkes survived a Killing Curse(through reincarnation, but still) Gandalf has the AOE to handle areas around him and if Dumbledore gets close, he gets stabbed. It's extremely debatable if that would even work, especially on Glamdring. That one is heavily enchanted and was made to kill demons like Balrogs, I doubt it would be so easy to just get rid of. Gandalf can fight without his staff regardless, as seen against the Balrog. Once more, if Imperius was so good, everyone would be using that instead of the Killing Curse. There'd be no point to killing someone if you can just mindcontrol them. There has to be drawbacks to it Edited by lazerbem, Jun 12 2015, 02:04 PM.
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| + Steve | Jun 12 2015, 02:47 PM Post #30 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Because it's a crime to use the Killing Curse and the people from Hogwarts etc aren't likely to use it? Pretty sure the Ministry is also alerted when people use it same way they know if an underage wizard uses magic around Muggles. If the guy Voldemort was stuck to used it on Fluffy everyone would know since he's supposed to be on the good side. Fawkes is reborn from ashes Avada Kedavra doesn't destroy somethings body so that makes sense. Not likely to get stabbed if he makes his clothes impervious to harm/outside forces. Well like I said Dumbledore uses the Elder Wand so it's plenty powerful too. But yeah debatable. Why would they? it's not like everyone has the same motives why turn someone you want to kill in to a slave if it doesn't really benefit you? It seems to work on people afflicted from virtually any distance so it's fairly powerful, they don't even need to be controlled verbally. |
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