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Dumbeldore vs Gandalf
Topic Started: Jun 12 2015, 12:47 AM (1,352 Views)
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Not sure if this is stomp thread or not since I have no clue how strong Gandalf is relatively.

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I mean if morals are off killing curse and dumbledore would win
Pretty sure lotr verse magic is nowhere near HP'S
And dumbledore knows some op magic so he should win I think
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Yeah morals are off, they're both trying to save their own universes.

Agreed. I don't remember anything in particular that stood out in LOTR's universe like avada kedavra or imperius.
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Which Gandalf? Gandalf the Gray, Gandalf the White, or Gandalf in his true form?

Because Dumbledore MIGHT win the first round, second round definitely goes to Gandalf, third round is a horrifically one-sided stomp as Gandalf is an angel
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Heck, give albus prep and he could use Harrys invisibility cloak to be even more of a slaughter
Also fire storm
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Jun 12 2015, 12:50 AM
I mean if morals are off killing curse and dumbledore would win
Pretty sure lotr verse magic is nowhere near HP'S
And dumbledore knows some op magic so he should win I think
LOTR magic has Gandalf breaking open the side of a mountain while fighting the Balrog. That was Gandalf's weakest form too
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His strongest form is NOT A god was some spirit thing
And is for the most part feat less all around
Also fiendfyre, lotr wishes it could do magic like HP
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Jun 12 2015, 01:09 AM
His strongest form is NOT A god was some spirit thing
And is for the most part feat less all around
Also fiendfyre, lotr wishes it could do magic like HP
I didn't say it was a god, I said it was an angel.

And there are plenty of feats, splitting open the side of a mountain, enveloping a hillside with fire, blinding light(actually really useful). If you want to use the movies, Gandalf also has a giant explosive wave attack that blew away hundreds of goblins. Fiendfyre is the hillside fire, except uncontrolled. Besides, Gandalf fought the Balrog, a fire demon. I think he'll survive some Fiendfyre.

Also, LOTR magic can escalate to planetary reality warping and star destroying. Though I'm guessing you're more familiar with the movies
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Him being an angel doesn't mean much

Taking the bridge under balrog, he barely won look like he was doomed
Firestorm is crazy and so is fiendfyre which can be controlled wasn't by Crabbe or w/e cause he's a noob wizard
Dumbledore simply has too many good spells
3 unforgivable curses
2 crazy a*** fire spells
Disarming spell
Sectumsempura
Stupefy
Ect....

Oh and teleportation
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And Gandalf could just do the thing he did to blow out the side of a mountain and turn Gandalf to fine red paste. Variety is great, but Gandalf could blow him away with little trouble
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Gandalf has a lot of destructive power but I don't think it gives him a win really he doesn't have anything so absolute as Avada Kedavra or the Imperius Curse.

Plus Dumbledore can just Apparate about if he wants to prepare spells.

There's also that fire dragon thing that never goes out he can cast not much Gandalf can do then.


Isn't Gandalf's staff fairly crucial too? Expelliarmus messes him up there and he can't do it back and Dumbledore doesn't need his wand to cast spells, though obviously without the Elder Wand they're not going to be as powerful.
Or the petrifying curse, the one Hermione uses on Neville.

He can also read minds.

Dumbledore is hax as f***.
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The way magic works in LOTR is that if someone's magic is better, your magic just doesn't work on them. I would put Gandalf's magic above Dumbledore's and even if not, he's much faster, since he can set Legolas's arrows on fire mid-flight. Gandalf can do paralysis too, he did it to Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas without saying a word.
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You can't compare magic and just say it's better
It's different series lol
Also to lazy to check but I'm sure albus has some speed feats
But teleportation plus crazy spells it's pretty much over
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None of whom have any particular magical strength other than Legolas, being an Elf.

He still can't match Dumbledore being able to Apparate mid battle nothing stops him going right behind Gandalf and killing him. He can also do it silently.

He can render himself invisible but I think Gandalf could probably see through that illusion.

Also stated to be great at flying so if he has any sort of skill to play Quidditch his reflexes are definitely not slow.


As for magic not working, given that Dumbledore uses a wand made by Death itself that should cancel that out can't really argue which is more powerful.
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Yondaime
Jun 12 2015, 02:12 AM
You can't compare magic and just say it's better
It's different series lol
Also to lazy to check but I'm sure albus has some speed feats
But teleportation plus crazy spells it's pretty much over
Why not? Gandalf's magic is far more impressive. It's a situation similar to how Freeza's psychokinesis doesn't work on SSJ Goku like it does on Krillin.

And the teleportation isn't going to help him when Gandalf decides to call down lightning on him, Dumbledore still needs to appear somewhere and Gandalf's lightning has AOE. Nearly all of Dumbledore's spells Gandalf can do better, combat worthy ones at least. Avada Kedavra is nice, being telekinetically smashed is far simpler and more versatile.
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None of whom have any particular magical strength other than Legolas, being an Elf.

He still can't match Dumbledore being able to Apparate mid battle nothing stops him going right behind Gandalf and killing him. He can also do it silently.

He can render himself invisible but I think Gandalf could probably see through that illusion.

Also stated to be great at flying so if he has any sort of skill to play Quidditch his reflexes are definitely not slow.


As for magic not working, given that Dumbledore uses a wand made by Death itself that should cancel that out can't really argue which is more powerful.

Dumbledore could fend off the five Nazgul on Weathertop, I think he can handle attacks from many angles.

Igniting arrows in mid-air as well as calling down bolts of lightning on the Nazgul is better speed.

Perhaps on Gandalf the Gray, but Gandalf the White is quite uber.
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