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Videl vs. Sakura Haruno
Topic Started: Jun 10 2015, 04:11 PM (3,849 Views)
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How would Videl at her best fare against the flat-chested cherry blossom at part I?

BONUS SCENARIO : If Sakura loses have her part II self fight.

BONUS SCENARIO #2: If either Sakura wins have her fight Chi-Chi

BONUS SCENARIO #3: If Sakura wins against Chi-Chi have her fight #18 (Lazuli)
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Jun 12 2015, 04:33 PM
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Jun 12 2015, 04:32 PM
Freeza was afraid of losing "even more" power from the planet's explosion. He couldn't tank it flawlessly even if he was at full power.
Where's that said in the manga?
Right after Freeza Nova Strikes Goku, he notes that the planet doesn't have much time left and that he should go before the explosion. Not sure if he says "even more" power, but he definitely does say something to the lines about it weakening him
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lazerbem
Jun 12 2015, 04:44 PM
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Freeza was afraid of losing "even more" power from the planet's explosion. He couldn't tank it flawlessly even if he was at full power.
Where's that said in the manga?
Right after Freeza Nova Strikes Goku, he notes that the planet doesn't have much time left and that he should go before the explosion. Not sure if he says "even more" power, but he definitely does say something to the lines about it weakening him
I'll need the quote, because I only remember something along those lines being in the anime.
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This translation is according to the Viz version
"Hff...hfff...I'd better get away from this planet right now...If I'm caught in the explosion, I'll lose even more power..."
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ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jun 12 2015, 04:43 PM
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Jun 12 2015, 04:40 PM
If they really can't augment their defences in the slightest, then the fight against Freeza's army doesn't make sense at all. Why would any of the Z-fighters (barring Roshi) need to eat a Senzu after the fight? Was throwing a few hundred pitifully weak punches/blasts really tiring enough to warrant wasting one of the few recovery items they had?
What do you mean? Whether they can augment themselves or not, the fact that they need senzus doesn't make sense in general.
If they're capable of augmenting their defences, then it'd take the Z-fighters longer to take them out, as they'd have to sense how strong they were and work out what level of attack would be necessary to finish it. Krillin had an insta-fix and just brought the edge of a cliff down on a group of them (who were likely of varying powers). Out of curiosity, if that's the case, would you agree that the falling cliff would knock Goku out if he didn't augment his defences?
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If they really can't augment their defences in the slightest, then the fight against Freeza's army doesn't make sense at all. Why would any of the Z-fighters (barring Roshi) need to eat a Senzu after the fight? Was throwing a few hundred pitifully weak punches/blasts really tiring enough to warrant wasting one of the few recovery items they had?
What do you mean? Whether they can augment themselves or not, the fact that they need senzus doesn't make sense in general.
If they're capable of augmenting their defences, then it'd take the Z-fighters longer to take them out, as they'd have to sense how strong they were and work out what level of attack would be necessary to finish it. Krillin had an insta-fix and just brought the edge of a cliff down on a group of them (who were likely of varying powers). Out of curiosity, if that's the case, would you agree that the falling cliff would knock Goku out if he didn't augment his defences?
No, it really wouldn't. They're still weak, and can be one-shotted with great ease. Yeah, I imagine a large rock would be able to hurt Goku if his body wasn't augmented by Ki, I mean, he struggles to move with 40 tons strapped to him.
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If they really can't augment their defences in the slightest, then the fight against Freeza's army doesn't make sense at all. Why would any of the Z-fighters (barring Roshi) need to eat a Senzu after the fight? Was throwing a few hundred pitifully weak punches/blasts really tiring enough to warrant wasting one of the few recovery items they had?
What do you mean? Whether they can augment themselves or not, the fact that they need senzus doesn't make sense in general.
If they're capable of augmenting their defences, then it'd take the Z-fighters longer to take them out, as they'd have to sense how strong they were and work out what level of attack would be necessary to finish it. Krillin had an insta-fix and just brought the edge of a cliff down on a group of them (who were likely of varying powers). Out of curiosity, if that's the case, would you agree that the falling cliff would knock Goku out if he didn't augment his defences?
No, it really wouldn't. They're still weak, and can be one-shotted with great ease. Yeah, I imagine a large rock would be able to hurt Goku if his body wasn't augmented by Ki, I mean, he struggles to move with 40 tons strapped to him.
Jaco specifically tells everyone to incapacitate them as opposed to killing them, iirc. So it's a case of knocking them out instead of killing them, something which is extremely tricky when you're immensely stronger. If you add the worry of them being able to use ki to bolster their defences, it'd become quite tiring to deal with all of them.
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Jun 12 2015, 04:58 PM
Jaco specifically tells everyone to incapacitate them as opposed to killing them, iirc. So it's a case of knocking them out instead of killing them, something which is extremely tricky when you're immensely stronger. If you add the worry of them being able to use ki to bolster their defences, it'd become quite tiring to deal with all of them.
And you can still one shot them, without killing them:
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I don't think it's that tricky. They've never really had trouble suppressing themselves against weaker opponents.
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Jun 12 2015, 05:01 PM
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Jaco specifically tells everyone to incapacitate them as opposed to killing them, iirc. So it's a case of knocking them out instead of killing them, something which is extremely tricky when you're immensely stronger. If you add the worry of them being able to use ki to bolster their defences, it'd become quite tiring to deal with all of them.
And you can still one shot them, without killing them:
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I don't think it's that tricky. They've never really had trouble suppressing themselves against weaker opponents.
They'd be facing hundreds of opponents with varying battle powers. Having to be aware of your opponents (because there's one guy who's extremely strong and other could be as strong) as well as altering your battle power for each soldier you come across, you could get quite tired afterwards.

All that screenshot proves is that SSJ Gohan > Shisama >> Base Gohan.
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Jun 12 2015, 05:04 PM
They'd be facing hundreds of opponents with varying battle powers. Having to be aware of your opponents (because there's one guy who's extremely strong and other could be as strong) as well as altering your battle power for each soldier you come across, you could get quite tired afterwards.

All that screenshot proves is that SSJ Gohan > Shisama >> Base Gohan.
So? Why would fluctuating your battle power tire you out? Secondly, if they had varying battle powers, they'd have to fluctuate themselves regardless of whether they have a hard time augmenting their defenses or not.
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Jun 12 2015, 05:08 PM
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They'd be facing hundreds of opponents with varying battle powers. Having to be aware of your opponents (because there's one guy who's extremely strong and other could be as strong) as well as altering your battle power for each soldier you come across, you could get quite tired afterwards.

All that screenshot proves is that SSJ Gohan > Shisama >> Base Gohan.
So? Why would fluctuating your battle power tire you out? Secondly, if they had varying battle powers, they'd have to fluctuate themselves regardless of whether they have a hard time augmenting their defenses or not.
Well, that's just one explanation. Better to look for one than just say ''SSJ Gohan was exhausted after fighting this one guy who was pretty strong and a few hundred soldiers who're weaker than Raditz'' and criticise the fight for making no sense.
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Jun 12 2015, 02:47 PM
Videl would godstomp her young form. Sakura LOLstomps afterwards.
OK, I'll bite, what feats does Videl have that show that she could godstomp Part 1 Sakura?
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Nothing at all.
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Jun 12 2015, 07:31 PM
Nothing at all.
Yep. I only recall 2 fighting feats for her in Z and they weren't impressive for the most part.
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I bet Sakura could take two city thugs. What do you think about that? Think about a regular ol' thug running around in the Leaf Village. Could Sakura at least take one of them? (;
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I still don't see bruises as there's sorta a shirt there, making it impossible to see anything. I honestly think you're the biased one here because you're projecting something that so clearly isn't there.

You don't see those black marks that weren't previously on Goku's face before he got hit by Raditz? Those are injury marks. Maybe you don't consider them bruises? But they're damage either way, and on the back Goku suffered the same as if it were in the front. And I wasn't calling you biased. I was saying either one of us could be biased because the before and after damage (maybe you didn't see Goku before getting hit?) is very clear to me. Once again he wasn't necessarily bruised by the floor, but visual damage was obtained by it.

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Thanks for proving my point. The only new damage is to his head, which could have been caused by Goku's blast.

He lost most of his body in tiny parts meaning he's been combined back together. I was just trying to show that he can be put back together regardless of how much damage he undergoes. He can still be hurt by physical attacks that would lower his "health" but he can't be punched or kicked to death. He can only be vaporized through ki which is why Trunks took the action he did. It's actually a consistent theme with DBZ villains.

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You too are missing the point. Whether Freeza is special case or not is irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make. Goku can hurt him with physical strikes even though Freeza can survive a planet exploding in his face. Natural disasters aren't metaphysical, so you really can't make an entirely new category for that.

The fact that Goku can hurt him is irrelevant if his overall health is more susceptible to close combat than he is to ki attacks or a planet's destruction. The backup his DNA provides to living through a planet's explosion doesn't given him special defenses against physical attacks. Goku on Kai's planet was weighed down by 40 tons, yet Freeza was able to push upwards 6.58321259 × 10^21 tons when it comes to ki. Simply be convenience, Z characters can deal with absurd amounts with ki objects but they can no longer do it when it comes physical objects. The proof is right there IMO, it's a matter of choosing to believe it.

I don't think you understand what metaphysical means. It doesn't mean outside of physics, but I can run with that definition if you'd like. The general idea is that it's a fiction novel and only goes by what's convenient to the author at the time. It doesn't have to agree with physics all the time. Categories are arbitrarily created inside the author's mind.

Also @ the discussion with Freeza's minions. I'm more ready to believe based on the premise of the movie being absurd and unnecessary boosts that Roshi went up in PL than Freeza's army containing someone as weak as an Earthling.

Also opened up another chapter:

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A character who is most definitely above durability of a blast that can destroy the moon, can start bleeding when the back of his head is smashed against physical rock.

Not only that, but the nature of the attack has him being dragged into the rock, showing that there is no hidden magical force behind physical attack. An attack that makes such a small crater in the rock is enough to hurt someone who a few seconds earlier threw a ki blast of much greater magnitude.
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