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| DBZAOTA482 | Jun 10 2015, 04:11 PM Post #1 |
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How would Videl at her best fare against the flat-chested cherry blossom at part I? BONUS SCENARIO : If Sakura loses have her part II self fight. BONUS SCENARIO #2: If either Sakura wins have her fight Chi-Chi BONUS SCENARIO #3: If Sakura wins against Chi-Chi have her fight #18 (Lazuli) |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 12 2015, 01:31 PM Post #46 |
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Buuuuuuuuuuuut Goku has been able to damage to someone who can survive a planet blowing up in his face so we've got some conflict here. Ki enhanced punches may not create massive shockwaves because it's metaphysical. Honestly, though, Dragon Ball isn't exactly the most scientifically accurate series out there. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jun 12 2015, 01:42 PM.
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| + Majin Vegeta | Jun 12 2015, 01:46 PM Post #47 |
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And? There physical strength is ki as well. That Gohan did not have any sort of incredible physical strength back there, we are talking about Buu Arc high tiers. SSJ Goku and Frieza's fight was sending shockwaves through the planet IIRC and also if that's not the case then Base Goku Namek Arc > SSJ Goku Namek Arc which makes zero sense. |
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| + Pointer | Jun 12 2015, 01:51 PM Post #48 |
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It is dense though Yet the size difference is an issue |
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| Mihawk | Jun 12 2015, 02:21 PM Post #49 |
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Regardless the consistent pattern is that they get hurt by physical objects way more heavily than they should if their physical durability was really on par with their ki durability. They still get bruised by rocks, hell they can get KO'd by rocks (RoF movie), etc implying a level of physical durability nowhere near the ki one. The evidence is largely one sided. Freeza being in bits in pieces seems puts a hole in it? But let's say Freeza can survive anything that doesn't vaporize him as Trunks did kind of like Cell can. Let's say Trunks vaporized him simply so someone wouldn't try to bring him back. Then the fact that he's still bits and pieces after the planet explosion isn't really relevant because there are still similar chunks of rock floating around too from the original planet. Does that mean chunks of rock >> planet explosion? Nope. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Jun 12 2015, 02:46 PM Post #50 |
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Size doesn't matter my friend, that's already been said the material that he punches through and puts a whole on it matters. Density determines the level of the feat, and King Kai's plamet has the density of more than the sun mass. |
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| Sasuke | Jun 12 2015, 02:47 PM Post #51 |
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Videl would godstomp her young form. Sakura LOLstomps afterwards. |
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| + Steve | Jun 12 2015, 02:51 PM Post #52 |
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Yeah explosions don't follow some linear path of destruction there's always debris that "survives" because explosions aren't an absolute power or anything. It's not like they make a perfect sphere of destruction like when Vegeta blew himself up. Frieza basically survived the outside of an explosion and that nearly killed him it's not like 100% of the energy was directed to him as though he was in the middle of the planet. He got damaged and pushed away by the shockwaves, debris and explosion itself that is all. It's still impressive but were he not a nonsensical species he'd be very very dead. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 12 2015, 02:52 PM Post #53 |
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I'm sorry, but when has that happened? show me instances from the manga where they have taken damage from being flung into cliffs and mountains. And who the heck got K.O.ed by rocks in Resurrection F? Freeza wasn't in bits and pieces though If that were the case, his mechanized self would be almost completely robotic, but it's not: ![]() You also have to remember his legs, and one of his arms were removed by the Kienzan. You also have to remember that Freeza had every intention of walking away from the fight after Namek exploded in Goku's face. |
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| + Steve | Jun 12 2015, 03:06 PM Post #54 |
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Yeah 'cause he can fly away in space it's not like he said he was going to stand there and let the blast hit him. If he can tank that then why did it very nearly destroy him? That doesn't really mean anything. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 12 2015, 03:09 PM Post #55 |
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Wrong:
It didn't very nearly destroy him, you also have to remember, Freeza was already almost killed by the Kienzan and Goku's blast. And what of Cell, he clearly didn't care whether the Earth blew up with him on it:
Oh yeah, and don't forget Resurrection F. Beerus and Whis state Freeza most likely survived Earth's destruction. I also think you're underestimating how much energy an exploding planet produces. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jun 12 2015, 03:18 PM.
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| + Steve | Jun 12 2015, 03:26 PM Post #56 |
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But it did a load of damage and took off a large portion of his head I'd say that's nearly kill though who knows maybe his species can survive as floating heads... Those quotes don't really help your case if Goku is right Frieza simply wasn't certain he could escape in time. Cell certainly could obviously he's way faster. Your overestimating how much of that energy hit Frieza. An explosion goes outwards in all directions it wouldn't gravitate towards Frieza think of the surface area of Namek...how big is Frieza compared to that? He wouldn't even have touched 1% of the explosion or the overall landmass flying around and it still messed him up. Also Cell wouldn't need to worry since if some of Frieza's body remained then the same would happen with Cell only he would regenerate so he need not worry. |
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| Mihawk | Jun 12 2015, 03:31 PM Post #57 |
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Spoiler: click to toggle The great moon level durability has lower physical density than the floor under him. Easily bruised by being knocked into it. Do you need more? Because all I had to do was open the first fight in DBZ to find this. Freeza's minions were KO'd by rocks. Naturally all of them should be able to tank any blast fired in DB.
Hmm so only the anime showed him in bits and pieces? I agree with the anime. Anyway the mechanical parts are most likely parts that couldn't be found/were vaporized and hand to be replaced.
Both of these things help my argument. Freeza can live just about anything that doesn't vaporize him as long as someone is there to piece him back together. That's why he was so confident and that's why Trunks had to vaporize him. Just living through a planet's explosion doesn't mean much if you weren't at the epicenter of the blast. After a planet's explosion you see large chunks of rock floating around that didn't take the full blunt of the blast, Freeza is just another one of these. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 12 2015, 03:34 PM Post #58 |
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Or Goku's blast did that... In what way do they not help? Freeza intended on destroying the planet with himself on it, same goes for Cell. Freeza actually did it in Resurrection F. I'm really not. He's clearly not being hit by all the energy, but he's till being hit by a massive amount of energy. I'm aware Cell has Freeza cells, but your missing the point. I'm not arguing whether the entirety of the case can tank a planet's destruction. I'm saying Goku can harm Cell and Freeza with punches, even though they can tank an incredible amount of force. Also, I think we've been going about this all wrong. It's not that they put force enough to destroy entire planets behind his punches, it's that he has enough condensed energy to destroy planets behind his punches, which allow him to go through the Ki the user augments their body with.
What bruises, I see none. Yeah, I'm gonna need more because this doesn't prove your point. I don't recall any of Freeza's minions being K.O.ed by rocks, I'll need to see instances of that.
The anime doesn't show him in pieces either, I suggest watching it again.
I agree, Freeza is capable of surviving in peices, that being said, he wasn't shown to be in pieces in the manga, nor was that the case in the anime. Furthermore, we cannot confirm whether or not that was damage from Goku's blast or not. Furthermore, Freeza lived through Earth's explosion in Resurrection F, so... Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jun 12 2015, 03:41 PM.
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| + Steve | Jun 12 2015, 03:40 PM Post #59 |
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Doubtful Goku likely wanted the planet to kill him or else he'd have just totally destroyed Frieza there and then. Yeah because he was probably sure he could escape in time then reconsidered. Well as said so are the rocks that remain after a planet explodes yet they still exist. I'd be inclined to agree but that in no way explains how they take damage from being thrown in to the ground, suggesting otherwise. There's no way they can simply be thrown hard enough to inflict damage but not destroy the surrounding area along with that, the harder they're thrown in to the rocks obviously the bigger the impact, which they surely can't control. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 12 2015, 03:46 PM Post #60 |
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What signs show he had intended on the planet finishing the job? Even if he had reconsidered, it's implied he could have survived if he did destroy straight off, like he did in Resurrection F. I don't recall debris existing in the manga. They don't. All I see is dust. Why not? If they can shoot small Ki blasts that have enough condensed energy to destroy planets and don't destroy the planet, there's no reason they can't throw punches with that much energy behind it, and not cause significant collateral damage. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jun 12 2015, 03:51 PM.
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