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Videl vs. Sakura Haruno
Topic Started: Jun 10 2015, 04:11 PM (3,852 Views)
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How would Videl at her best fare against the flat-chested cherry blossom at part I?

BONUS SCENARIO : If Sakura loses have her part II self fight.

BONUS SCENARIO #2: If either Sakura wins have her fight Chi-Chi

BONUS SCENARIO #3: If Sakura wins against Chi-Chi have her fight #18 (Lazuli)
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If you're gonna mention calcs and then physics explain why star busting punches don't annihilate everything around them just by moving, not even hitting anything.

If they have that kind of force all battles would have to take place in space because everything around them would be destroyed.


There is no way Ki can completely negate the collateral damage a punch that powerful would cause they've never been shown to deny the laws of physics so powerfully.

It's just not possible for Ki to have that kind of physics denying power yet when characters power up they can still shake planets and if the characters themselves control it why does Goku of all people opt for causing irreversible damage by shaking the planet? Obviously he just couldn't control it so there's no reason why he'd be able to control the impact of sun busting punches.
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If you're gonna mention calcs and then physics explain why star busting punches don't annihilate everything around them just by moving, not even hitting anything.

If they have that kind of force all battles would have to take place in space because everything around them would be destroyed.


There is no way Ki can completely negate the collateral damage a punch that powerful would cause they've never been shown to deny the laws of physics so powerfully.

It's just not possible for Ki to have that kind of physics denying power yet when characters power up they can still shake planets and if the characters themselves control it why does Goku of all people opt for causing irreversible damage by shaking the planet? Obviously he just couldn't control it so there's no reason why he'd be able to control the impact of sun busting punches.
Ok if you go down that route then explain how Vegeta's generic blast at EOZ doesn't blow solar systems.

Same as above.

A blast capable of destroying planets barely destroys rocks some times soooo...

Goku can't control SSJ3 well at that time he stated himself, and his blast that he deflected back on earth destroyed just 1/10 of the planet although that same blast could negate Vegeta's galick gun at the Saiyan arc which is planet level, Goku can control himself post transformation.
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There is no way Ki can completely negate the collateral damage a punch that powerful would cause they've never been shown to deny the laws of physics so powerfully.

Ki is metaphysical though, so in theory, it could. Based on what we're shown with Freeza, Goku seems capable or putting enough force behind his punches to harm a guy with planet-level durability:
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And I have yet to see a proper example here. Game mechanics certainly won't help your case either, as Super Sonic in the Sonic the Hedgehog series is invincible, yet can somehow be crushed.

I don't see how being game mechanics or your example of an inconsistency make my example void. The context of the Halo example paints a trend of long range beams having a lot of force, but damage received through weaker close combat physical attacks can inflict similar pain as their stronger long range counter parts. Just being part of a game or some offshoot inconsistency don't put any dent in the trend.

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Magic is strange case anyway. It could be that magic is ineffective against the physical in this case.

I'm not sure what your second sentence means. But there are other examples too, magic is just the tip of the ice berg. I'm sure I can dig up something with chakra in Naruto too. Although the trend with Ki in DB does stand on its own regardless

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Goku isn't struggling to keep it, it's stationary on it's own, as Freeza was able to knock him out of concentration.

Reading the quote it would imply that he's struggling to keep the ball up. Either way, we have Freeza being able to push it back which is tantamount to Freeza lifting it above his head.

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Assuming of course you are right, as I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I'd agree that 18 probably wouldn't be able to tank a punch from Sakura.

Sakura has shown no level of strength near what Goku did to Freeza with his kick through islands, so I'd have to disagree that Sakura could even imagine hurting #18.

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Assuming of course you are right, as I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I'd agree that 18 probably wouldn't be able to tank a punch from Sakura.

Sakura has shown no level of strength near what Goku did to Freeza with his kick through islands, so I'd have to disagree that Sakura could even imagine hurting #18.
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Sakura would sweep through the first 2 easily (Part 2 Sakura) but 18 would murder any version of her.
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How would Videl at her best fare against the flat-chested cherry blossom at part I?


Sakura wins easily.

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BONUS SCENARIO #2: If either Sakura wins have her fight Chi-Chi


Part 1: Toss Up
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BONUS SCENARIO #3: If Sakura wins against Chi-Chi have her fight #18 (Lazuli)


#18 wins.
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Part 1 Sakura

- vs Videl - By virtue of being a trained Genin, Sakura's strength should automatically be higher than an ordinary human. Videl can beat up two bank robbers, and is stronger than her father who won a martial arts tournament. So she's fairly strong for a common human, is it enough to match or surpass Sakura's.....I'll put them on equal footing in the pure strength regard, however Sakura is the faster one of the two and even if she isn't\she can blitz her by pouring chakra control into her feat like she did against Ino. So, yeah I'll go with Sakura mid diff.

- vs ChiChi - Sakura loses quite handly, if not an outright stomp. Chichi is above guys, with enough strength to one shot giant bears, with enough speed to properly pillars to a location hundreds of miles away in under a half an hour, with enough stamina to have a 4 hour battle after using their strongest techniques, etc.

- vs 18 - Lets not get into that.


Part 2 Sakura

- vs Videl - Zero diff.

- vs ChiChi - One punch is an instant kill so the question is does she enough speed to evade Sakura, I'd say not based off Sakura's speed feats in the later arcs.

- vs 18 - As strong as Sakura is, I doubt she has more strength than a planet destroyer. So i'm going to have to side with 18 here and even if Sakura is stronger 18 can just blast her into smithereens before Sakura gets a chance to hit her.
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Jun 11 2015, 01:53 PM
Ok if you go down that route then explain how Vegeta's generic blast at EOZ doesn't blow solar systems.

Same as above.

A blast capable of destroying planets barely destroys rocks some times soooo...

Goku can't control SSJ3 well at that time he stated himself, and his blast that he deflected back on earth destroyed just 1/10 of the planet although that same blast could negate Vegeta's galick gun at the Saiyan arc which is planet level, Goku can control himself post transformation.
Because it's not that powerful?

It's not the same because a fist isn't metaphysical in the slightest.
As I said people are visibly damaged and pained by getting smashed in to rocks, so if they can take supposed sun busting punches...why does that hurt?
Multi-solar system busting generic rock?

Well then it's not capable of doing that then is it, there's not only one type of explosion. In reality and in DBZ...
You get ones with a large radius that do a good amount of damage.
Then ones with a tiny radius that obliterate everything in their radius.
Ones that pretty much just push stuff away.

And others, not everything is a simple boom. And in DBZ energy beams and whatnot have similar variety sometimes they blow up sometimes a beam is like a laser and destroys what it hits instead of detonating.


What's this 10th of the planet bit? :o_O:
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When SSJ3 Goku fought Fat Boo, a Kamehameha gets deflected into the Earth by Fat Boo. Babidi mentions how 1/10 of the Earth was destroyed. Yeah, it's oddly specific, but it's there. Makes no sense at all though
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That's called ki concentration. It doesn't make any sense in terms of physics but there's evidence for it at least. No evidence for punch concentration though, lol.

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Jun 11 2015, 11:39 PM
That's called ki concentration. It doesn't make any sense in terms of physics but there's evidence for it at least. No evidence for punch concentration though, lol.
Nono, what I mean is that if 1/10 of the Earth was destroyed, there should be an ash cloud in the sky and everyone should have choked to death from what amounts to the KT event times 1,000
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I think he meant generally that just can't be applied to a punch.


Also worth noting that Vegeta and Goku fighting was cracking rocks in the distance...so if they can "concentrate" the damage punches do like energy blasts why didn't they?

Not to mention where does the energy go when someone tanks a hit? Like when Trunks slashes at 18 and the sword broke...how could he possibly control what happens to something no longer even attached to him(if you want to go with the whole he puts Ki in it thing)

Assuming he'd be planet level or whatever at that point that'd be a mighty big impact but it wasn't.
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I think he meant generally that just can't be applied to a punch.


Also worth noting that Vegeta and Goku fighting was cracking rocks in the distance...so if they can "concentrate" the damage punches do like energy blasts why didn't they?

Not to mention where does the energy go when someone tanks a hit? Like when Trunks slashes at 18 and the sword broke...how could he possibly control what happens to something no longer even attached to him(if you want to go with the whole he puts Ki in it thing)

Assuming he'd be planet level or whatever at that point that'd be a mighty big impact but it wasn't.


They can't fully control there DC same ways beam struggle from them destroyed mountains even though it packs more power than planet capacity, whatever you say for punches can be disproved by ki so yeah.
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Not really because a fist is a solid object not a metaphysical energy.


Why is this control present when people lose their s***? Like Gohan when he headbutted Raditz how the heck did he control the impact from that given that he was like four? Or Goku right after he got a x50 boost and wasn't totally himself.
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