should we start a petiton to have Faulconer Productions soundtrack the funi dub?

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should we start a petiton to have Faulconer Productions soundtrack the funi dub?
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Super-Namek	Jun 10 2015, 03:44 AM Post #1
Posts: 157 Group: Member Member #11,952 Joined: December 30, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome Favourite Manga dbz	http://www.faulconer.com/ http://www.funimation.com/support his falling out with him happened long ago when they were owned by someone else, so i dont see anyreason he would still beef with them. i know the guy that Dubbed dragonball GT said the new owners of FUNI dont believe in dubbing animes at all because its costly and no one does it now a days it was kinda a 90's thing. but dragon ballz english legacy is on the line and this new series is for the nostaglic fans, anyone have any idea's how we can get a grass roots petition to try and attempt this? would be awesome if some funi reps or workers lurked around here..... but NOW would probably be the time to do this before its to late



+ Kaboom	Jun 10 2015, 04:07 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	No. FUNimation is a high quality company nowadays, and has matured beyond the tasteless and reprehensible practice of replacing the music in their dubs. There's no longer any place for Faulconer's material (not that there ever actually was), and I think it's high time that American DBZ fans were weaned off of it. The old English dub of DBZ was utter crap, and its "legacy" is a go-to example of "how to mistreat a series and irreversibly scar its reputation and fandom" that's topped in extremity only by 4Kids' stuff. Good riddance to all the replacement scores and everything else wrong with the old dub. Viva Kai, and bring on Super, a DB series that FUNi can finally treat respectfully from the start. Edited by Kaboom, Jun 10 2015, 04:20 AM.



Cloud	Jun 10 2015, 04:50 AM Post #3
. Posts: 223 Group: Donator Member #12,283 Joined: April 29, 2015 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Kaboom Jun 10 2015, 04:07 AM No. FUNimation is a high quality company nowadays, and has matured beyond the tasteless and reprehensible practice of replacing the music in their dubs. There's no longer any place for Faulconer's material (not that there ever actually was), and I think it's high time that American DBZ fans were weaned off of it. The old English dub of DBZ was utter crap, and its "legacy" is a go-to example of "how to mistreat a series and irreversibly scar its reputation and fandom" that's topped in extremity only by 4Kids' stuff. Good riddance to all the replacement scores and everything else wrong with the old dub. Viva Kai, and bring on Super, a DB series that FUNi can finally treat respectfully from the start. I couldn't disagree with Kaboom more. If it is something fans want and there is a market for it I don't see why they shouldn't do it. Not to mention they could always just have the Japanese sound track with English voices over it on the disc release like they did with the orange bricks. America has a different culture than Japan. Our music is different than theirs. You can't expect people to just get over something just because you have a strong opinion about the sanctity of art. Edited by Cloud, Jun 10 2015, 04:51 AM.



+ Emmeth	Jun 10 2015, 05:09 AM Post #4
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Bruce Faulconer's music is mediocre at best, so I'd pass the petition personally.
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+ Kaboom	Jun 10 2015, 05:23 AM Post #5
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	No. The "opinion" game is for all the power level bunk. This is not that. The DBZ series has been damaged enough by FUNi in the past, and now that they're finally treating it with a fair share of respect, some fans actually want them to regress and go back to the crappy dubbing practices of the 90's just to help them blow their nostalgia load? Why does anyone think America is special in this regard? Why does anyone say with a straight face, "we're different, we need different treatment?" That's preposterous. EVERY other region of the world to get their own DBZ dub, many even before America, kept the original music. It survived. Hell, it THRIVED. South America's DBZ fandom puts the North's to shame in devotion and enthusiasm, and their dubs have retained the original, fitting, chosen-by-its-creators BGM from the start. Saying that DBZ somehow needed it's music altered to have appeal here is so blatantly ignorant that it'd be funny if it wasn't so damaging. Screw that. Screw every backwards, shallow, disrespectful, and misguided piece of tripe in both your posts. DBZ deserves so much better than what you'd suggest they do (again) to it. Thank Dende that supposed "DBZ fans" like you don't have any say in what FUNimation does. ATTENTION, fans of Bruce Faulconer's "DBZ" music: It had no place being used for DBZ back then, and it likewise has no place being used for Kai or Super now. Stop trying to hold back the franchise in America because you want to get your nostalgia rocks off, or go be a "fan" of something else. Edited by Kaboom, Jun 10 2015, 05:30 AM.



lucrowe	Jun 10 2015, 05:40 AM Post #6
Posts: 1,149 Group: Member Member #11,578 Joined: August 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gantz What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Not much of a fan..	I'd sign it. I loved faulconers work! I thought he made good, engaging sound tracks that matched the visuals wonderfully. I find the other sound tracks tacky. If you create a petition I'd have your back
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+ Emmeth	Jun 10 2015, 05:43 AM Post #7
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	@Kaboom Please try not to force your opinion upon others. Phrases like "Screw every backwards, shallow, disrespectful, and misguided piece of tripe in both your posts." has nothing to do here, and you should know that. Next time choose your words more carefully or I might take action.
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+ Kaboom	Jun 10 2015, 05:53 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	It's not an opinion, please don't even start down that path. It's the simple facts about the franchise we all supposedly love being treated with a modicum of respect. The "that's just your opinion" noise is suited for meaningless things like inane power debates or "which Super Saiyan form do you like best" polls. It has no place in a discussion about whether or not a professional, high-profile anime dubbing company should revert to their amateurish, clumsy selves from 15 years ago and go back to doing deplorable things like replacing music, just because a small demographic of nostalgia-blinded fans refuse to outgrow what they spewed out back then. It's a stupid and selfish thing to even suggest. Darn right I feel strongly about it, and not a word I've said is untrue or unwarranted. If anyone else had a shred of respect for this series, they'd be agreeing with me. Edited by Kaboom, Jun 10 2015, 05:56 AM.



+ Emmeth	Jun 10 2015, 05:58 AM Post #9
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Well, it is just an opinion. You are basically saying Faulconer's music is amateur hour, but people might disagree with you. While the company going back to that era might be a dumb idea is not for you to decide. It's also in the way you word yourself, you could be a little more discreet because you are bordering personal insult. Music is subjective like most everything else and don't even say it isn't because then you would be wrong.
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+ Kaboom	Jun 10 2015, 06:03 AM Post #10
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Let me simplify my point further. Opinion: "I personally (enjoy/ do not enjoy) Bruce Faulconer's music in an artistic sense." Fact: Replacing the original and intended music of a production is an outdated and detestable dubbing practice, and FUNimation should under no circumstances bring back Bruce Faulconer to produce an "alternative" BGM track for Dragon Ball Super. There. I've clearly distinguished the facts of the matter from any related opinions. All is made clear. Edited by Kaboom, Jun 10 2015, 06:10 AM.



+ Emmeth	Jun 10 2015, 06:05 AM Post #11
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I get your point here, but like I said your wording wasn't the best. I agree with you on the production side of things, but please don't attack members over it.
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+ Kaboom	Jun 10 2015, 06:12 AM Post #12
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	The series and franchise I love is being threatened with an attempt at sabotage. Can't blame me for getting worked up.



+ Emmeth	Jun 10 2015, 06:13 AM Post #13
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Yeah, I can. Calm down a bit, it's just entertainment.
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lucrowe	Jun 10 2015, 06:14 AM Post #14
Posts: 1,149 Group: Member Member #11,578 Joined: August 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gantz What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Not much of a fan..	Kaboom Jun 10 2015, 06:03 AM Let me simplify my point further. Opinion: "I personally (enjoy/ do not enjoy) Bruce Faulconer's music in an artistic sense." Fact: Replacing the original and intended music of a production is an outdated and detestable dubbing practice, and FUNimation should under no circumstances bring back Bruce Faulconer to produce an "alternative" BGM track for Dragon Ball Super. There. I've clearly distinguished the facts of the matter from any related opinions. All is made clear. I completely disagree with you dude. Your 'fact' is actually your opinion. I don't see anything wrong with using faulconers music instead of the intended. It didn't bother me before and it doesn't bother me now. Besides, most of the dvd compilations have fully optioned audio so what's your problem? You think it's wrong, no worries. Have your opinion! But it isn't fact.
	"I'm not in it for the money, I'm rapping to be relevant, Spittin' for the hell of it to get me in my element and stomp whack rappers like an elephant... I'm the celebrant delegate spittin' elegant benevolence" - Lucrowe MC. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucrowe-MC/661247567303948?ref=bookmarks Str8 Outta Namek, A Crazy Mutha Fka Named Lucrowe


+ Kaboom	Jun 10 2015, 06:25 AM Post #15
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	@Emmeth It's not just entertainment. It's art. Nobody would suggest or condone replacing the music in things like It's A Wonderful Life, or The Godfather, or Star Wars, even if they thought they might like something else better. What makes DBZ so much less deserving of that same respect? lucrowe Jun 10 2015, 06:14 AM I completely disagree with you dude. Your 'fact' is actually your opinion. I don't see anything wrong with using faulconers music instead of the intended. It didn't bother me before and it doesn't bother me now. Besides, most of the dvd compilations have fully optioned audio so what's your problem? You think it's wrong, no worries. Have your opinion! But it isn't fact. I couldn't care less whether or not you disagree. Everything I've said about the lack of merit in replacing the score is absolute truth, and anyone with an ounce of artistic integrity in them can see that. But if you want an example of an actual opinion, I'll give you one: You're not a fan of Dragon Ball Z. I say this because you evidently don't hold an iota of respect for it. No, you seem to care far more for something else from 15 years ago that just happens to have the same name and use the same footage. You evidently care so much more for it that you would actually see a brand new series sabotaged just to appeal to your tastes for the old one, because the previous mangling "didn't bother" you. Which I find absolutely abominable. But THAT is just actually an opinion, so feel free to disagree. Edited by Kaboom, Jun 10 2015, 06:40 AM.



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