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SSJ4 Goku vs Silver Surfer
Topic Started: Jun 9 2015, 06:13 PM (1,042 Views)
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If you're talking about his hax abilities, then Goku can crush him. And Goku's massively faster than light too in combat at this point. Besides, I heat Silver Surfer is able to bust a solar system, that's Super Perfect Cell tier destructive capacity. SSJ4 Goku is light years beyond light years ahead of him.
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Silver Surfer wins easily. He is far and away stronger. He maybe the only one capable of beating Sliver Age Superman.

We have little to go on about SSJ4 Gogeta. Simply because Perfect Cell could have Kamehameha wave that could destroy the Sun doesn't make him able to withstand the destruction.


The Surfer is faster than light and has escaped from a black hole effortlessly.
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Oh good lord that would be amazing! Gonna give an edge to the Surfer just on the merit that he's reasonably more cosmic than Goku is. Matter manipulation and such, and he is indeed faster. Wow though, that fight would drag on for hours though.
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The Silver Surfer got taken out by a gumball machine once :p

Seriously though, I think he should win.
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I'm a believer that GT follows the anime which will make SSJ4 Goku insanely powerful, having MFTL combat speed and punches capable of shattering entire stars (from SSJ3 BOG Goku's feat and also the fact they can punch with MFTL speed) also there destructive power is multi solar system at worst.

Goku has the edge physically, but Surfer has haxed abilities that could kill Goku.
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Jun 10 2015, 12:09 AM
Silver Surfer wins easily. He is far and away stronger. He maybe the only one capable of beating Sliver Age Superman.

We have little to go on about SSJ4 Gogeta. Simply because Perfect Cell could have Kamehameha wave that could destroy the Sun doesn't make him able to withstand the destruction.


The Surfer is faster than light and has escaped from a black hole effortlessly.
Frieza and Super Saiyan Goku on Namek can survive planet busters, but in Goku's it'll be short lived since he can't breathe in space like Frieza. If you have the ki to destroy something, then you'll no doubt be able to use it defensively against an attack around it's calibur.

Surfer's only truly faster than light with board I think. And Goku has Instant Transmission to make up for the speed disadvantage (traveling wise, even though traveling doesn't equate to fighting but oh well). Without the hax abilities, he's pathetic.
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Goku would win I guess


Gt powerscaling is a mess....ssj4 goku is a favorit

Unless the silver surfer is galaxy buster ++++ I cant see him winning this one

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Jun 10 2015, 01:41 PM
I'm a believer that GT follows the anime which will make SSJ4 Goku insanely powerful, having MFTL combat speed and punches capable of shattering entire stars (from SSJ3 BOG Goku's feat and also the fact they can punch with MFTL speed) also there destructive power is multi solar system at worst.

Goku has the edge physically, but Surfer has haxed abilities that could kill Goku.


If that were true he wouldn't have to flinch when being thrown against a building. The Surfer has ran so fast that he could go through different universes. No one in GT or Z or the movies new or old has been stated or implied to go that fast.

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Jun 10 2015, 12:09 AM
Silver Surfer wins easily. He is far and away stronger. He maybe the only one capable of beating Sliver Age Superman.

We have little to go on about SSJ4 Gogeta. Simply because Perfect Cell could have Kamehameha wave that could destroy the Sun doesn't make him able to withstand the destruction.


The Surfer is faster than light and has escaped from a black hole effortlessly.
Frieza and Super Saiyan Goku on Namek can survive planet busters, but in Goku's it'll be short lived since he can't breathe in space like Frieza. If you have the ki to destroy something, then you'll no doubt be able to use it defensively against an attack around it's calibur.

Surfer's only truly faster than light with board I think. And Goku has Instant Transmission to make up for the speed disadvantage (traveling wise, even though traveling doesn't equate to fighting but oh well). Without the hax abilities, he's pathetic.


Your post doesn't make sense. When frieza 'survived' the planet explosion he was near death meaning unless he was full strength he would be dead. Even at full strength it's implied he'd take heavy damage. This is nothing to the Sliver Surfer who has the power to easily survive a supernova and not take any damage. His powers are overpowered and I'd agree but hax? Nope, reason being that he holds the power cosmic which gives him powers of the top universe.


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You guys this isn't a fair fight. The Surfer can tank all potential characters up to now of all DB/Z/GT/Movies lore. This ridiculousness of Marvel characters
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Jun 10 2015, 01:41 PM
I'm a believer that GT follows the anime which will make SSJ4 Goku insanely powerful, having MFTL combat speed and punches capable of shattering entire stars (from SSJ3 BOG Goku's feat and also the fact they can punch with MFTL speed) also there destructive power is multi solar system at worst.

Goku has the edge physically, but Surfer has haxed abilities that could kill Goku.


If that were true he wouldn't have to flinch when being thrown against a building. The Surfer has ran so fast that he could go through different universes. No one in GT or Z or the movies new or old has been stated or implied to go that fast.

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Jun 10 2015, 12:09 AM
Silver Surfer wins easily. He is far and away stronger. He maybe the only one capable of beating Sliver Age Superman.

We have little to go on about SSJ4 Gogeta. Simply because Perfect Cell could have Kamehameha wave that could destroy the Sun doesn't make him able to withstand the destruction.


The Surfer is faster than light and has escaped from a black hole effortlessly.
Frieza and Super Saiyan Goku on Namek can survive planet busters, but in Goku's it'll be short lived since he can't breathe in space like Frieza. If you have the ki to destroy something, then you'll no doubt be able to use it defensively against an attack around it's calibur.

Surfer's only truly faster than light with board I think. And Goku has Instant Transmission to make up for the speed disadvantage (traveling wise, even though traveling doesn't equate to fighting but oh well). Without the hax abilities, he's pathetic.


Your post doesn't make sense. When frieza 'survived' the planet explosion he was near death meaning unless he was full strength he would be dead. Even at full strength it's implied he'd take heavy damage. This is nothing to the Sliver Surfer who has the power to easily survive a supernova and not take any damage. His powers are overpowered and I'd agree but hax? Nope, reason being that he holds the power cosmic which gives him powers of the top universe.


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You guys this isn't a fair fight. The Surfer can tank all potential characters up to now of all DB/Z/GT/Movies lore. This ridiculousness of Marvel characters
You wanna see feats in DBZ anime that surpass FTL speed? Cause that's very easy to do here. Plus you're arguing about travel speed not how fast he fights, what is Surfer without his board? Nothing. And Surfer has low-bailing feats as well.

SPC can bust the solar system and he knew he would survive soooo...
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FTL is just a starting point and sure show me some. Also explain how we can take anything in GT as consistent. Some of the Characters should be able to tank Buildings being thrown at them but always get beat up or scratched by attacks from weaker characters when they aren't paying attention.

@Sliver Surfer Feats.

https://m.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2fpjiq/respect_the_silver_surfer/
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The greatest one been King Kai's vision losing track of SSJ Goku and 100% Frieza even though it can follow MFTL Saiyan space pods that travel lightyears speed. Note that most of them are combat speed. Sliver Surfer and no character in general is 100% consistent sooo...

Impressive feats indeed, his travel speed is untouchable by SSJ4 Goku , but I don't see anything impressive enough in combat/reaction speed or durability and DC.

He's a Star Buster and can easily withstand star attacks, SPC is a solar system level they are in the same leaque, SSJ4 Goku is thousands times stronger than that.
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How is matter atomizer not a worthy feat? He also has unlimited power and is only limited by Glatacus word. He is a mind reader and while his combat skills was enough to beat the Hulk. If you want to shrug of those types of feats, while not providing similar or stronger feats than I can't argue against you. SPC is fodder why do you keep mentioning him? The only comparable feats are Super Buu with Gohan screaming enough to shatter dimensions and Super Vegito retaining power as jawbreaker candy. You can infer that EOZ Vegito abilities can the same as a stronger opponent in SSJ4 Goku but it be stretch similar to thinking Goku can do eye beams like Superman simply because he is stronger than certain form.
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You don't understand me at all, matter atomizer and those abilities would kill SSJ4 Goku I already said that in my first post if you look there, what I was arguing is that Surfer can't beat Goku in a straight up combat fight, Goku is just better. More DC, combat speed, durability than him. The best Haxed abilities Goku has is destroying the universe via dimension ripping, ripping holes in dimensions, blowing them up and such not comparable to Surfer.

Surfer would win in normal cause of skills, but Goku would win in a fight IMO.
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Silver Surfer godstomps.

Just telling ya, he's tough as heck. I've seen very few putting him down, and those were already insanely powerful dudes, such as Thanos.
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