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Chapter: 380 (DBZ 186), P2.4
Context: when asked if his perfect form could beat Vegeta
Cell: “Power! Speed! Technique! Brains! Mental Strength! I will be perfect in every way! That’s what the computer told me!!”

Dark Matter

Jun 11 2015, 12:46 AM

Gohan was only shocked because he assumed Goku must have been holding back because he couldn't believe that he was stronger than his father. In the end, Goku's skills aren't being shown to equal Cell because the fight is still notably in Cell's favor. The reason isn't just because of Cell's power, though if nothing else that's what is most notable. But its clear that Cell has the overall edge and he still keeps that edge even when he purposely puts himself down closer to Goku's level.

What plan? Cell through his imperfect and Semi-Perfect form has made plans throughout his appearance, manipulating the scenes and people before him. He didn't have to do that much in his perfect form but even still, he did try to change battle tactics against SSJ2 Kid Gohan when he discovered his normal attacks weren't going to suffice.

Again, you're expecting Cell to just do things when obviously the plot won't let him. In the same way that Goku isn't going to pop out IT KHH on everyone, or use Taiyoken on everyone to make battles quick. Neither Cell nor Goku are stupid in terms of battle smarts but their actions revolve around the plot.

Look at Vegeta. He's claimed to be a huge battle genius and we've seen his smarts in the Namek Arc. But look at how he reacts in plot? Raging against everyone, throwing random ki blasts and just trying to beat everyone else by blowing them up. This is kind of why we take out PIS in a versus topic so we can have the characters fight at their full capabilities.

Take Goku and Cell. Put them at their best where their not being pressured by the plot to do foolish actions. Take their skills and compare them to one another. Compare their techniques to one another and ultimately you can compare their natural pros and cons and how they ultimately go against one another.

You brought up I believe that since Goku beat Piccolo, that must mean Goku is more skilled. I mean Goku might be more skilled and honestly by the time the Cell Arc comes around, he probably is. But even if he isn't, he's obviously close enough that the difference wouldn't even be noticeable. Goku's close enough that he can still win.

Again, you're using the plot to dictate the character when we already know what the character is capable of. Otherwise I'll just say Goku's a fool and has no skill because he didn't just IT KHH . Which while on the Boo subject, how else was Goku going to do it? His Kamehameha is his most useful technique so he was obviously going to do something if he got to full power. But again, and its not even Goku. Everyone, from Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, etc, all of them have shown to have variously degrees of skill and abilities but in may cases, they're reduced to just throwing out random attacks angrily because the plot demands it.

Let's use another example. Goku could've used the Taiyoken+Kienzan on Freea, he knows both attacks and even more so, Freeza can't even sense ki. Sounds like a decent enough plan. But he doesn't but we're not going to assume he's a forgetful and lacks skill right.

Dark Matter

Jun 11 2015, 12:59 AM

Actually here's a line from the manga.

Quote:

 

Chapter: 380 (DBZ 186), P2.4
Context: when asked if his perfect form could beat Vegeta
Cell: “Power! Speed! Technique! Brains! Mental Strength! I will be perfect in every way! That’s what the computer told me!!”

Now obvious you can put a case of arrogance into the mix, but in the end, Gero wanted cell to have the best. He wanted the best power, the best speed, the best techniques, the best brains, the best mental strength...as noted above. In this case, Gero did want Cell to be a master and not just a jack of all trades. He wanted Cell to have the best of the best.

Dark Matter

Jun 12 2015, 03:20 AM

Cell currently had the cells of Saiyan Arc Goku, when he was in his imperfect form.

Let me ask you this, would you call Goku skilled with the Kamehameha in the Saiyan Arc? You would wouldn't you even if he can improve it later on he's obviously good enough with it there. The same thing can be said for Cell. His DNA has put the knowledge on how to skillfully use these abilities of his as if he's always known how to do them and if he has the time, he could improve on them.

Dark Matter

Oct 22 2015, 09:01 PM

Well think about this. Cell first gets the Instantaneous Movement after his self destruction, with little time to practice or use it. In fact he doesn't, he pops a finger on his head and jolts right over to the party like it was nothing. It was pretty much implicated that once the cells absorbed the knowledge of the Instantaneous Movement, Cell instinctively knew how to use that move and use it perfectly.

So imagine you put a cell of Saiyan Arc Goku into Cell. By virtue the same thing would apply there. Whatever knowledge Saiyan Arc Goku had and the abilities he could use, Cell likewise should be able to use those same ability at the same level as that Saiyan Arc Goku.

And I don't think you'd call Saiyan Arc Goku unskilled. The same thing when you add in Vegeta and Piccolo (and to maybe a lesser extent Freeza) you add in all these people who were all very skilled and/or had a wide variety of techniques at their disposal and the implication that all this knowledge was put into Cell's structure.

FutureProtagonist

Oct 23 2015, 04:24 AM

Cell has never used anything even resembling a clever stratagem in his fights. In fact, I can't say any villains ever really have. When they face someone who's their equal or stronger, they end up losing. Cell in particular turns to trash the second he has to fight someone stronger than him. He went so far as to use a buff transformation against Gohan and rightfully got his s*** ruined.

His return was incredibly lame. Absolutely a cheap way of creating a threat; Cell doesn't deserve that power. He couldn't even use it effectively against a pacifist 7th grader.