Dark Matter

Jun 8 2015, 09:12 PM

Goku's clearly a very skilled fighter with a nice arrange of techniques. In fact I'd probably say out of all the Z-Fighters, he's at least second in terms of most skilled with the first being taken by Piccolo. Third then by Vegeta, but honestly if you want to switch those around a bit, be my guest.

But compare Goku to Cell and at equal levels, its not like Cell's going to have some huge advantage but he just has the notable advantages in his arsenal. He has more techniques at his disposal and there's practically nothing Goku can do that Cell shouldn't be able to do himself. We also know that Cell has the intelligence to get around in many of his forms and is quite the manipulator. The only time he really loses this is against SSj2 Kid Gohan when he's left with almost no options.

Even in his last scenes, he instantly goes for the kill on Gohan and if honestly not for a combination of Gohan's rage and bad luck of Vegeta's distraction, would have won. In many parts, Cell doesn't need his huge arrange of skills and techniques to win and when things have gotten to deep he's, for the most part, able to get out through clever manipulation.

Dark Matter

Jun 8 2015, 09:12 PM

Goku's clearly a very skilled fighter with a nice arrange of techniques. In fact I'd probably say out of all the Z-Fighters, he's at least second in terms of most skilled with the first being taken by Piccolo. Third then by Vegeta, but honestly if you want to switch those around a bit, be my guest.

But compare Goku to Cell and at equal levels, its not like Cell's going to have some huge advantage but he just has the notable advantages in his arsenal. He has more techniques at his disposal and there's practically nothing Goku can do that Cell shouldn't be able to do himself. We also know that Cell has the intelligence to get around in many of his forms and is quite the manipulator. The only time he really loses this is against SSj2 Kid Gohan when he's left with almost no options.

Even in his last scenes, he instantly goes for the kill on Gohan and if honestly not for a combination of Gohan's rage and bad luck of Vegeta's distraction, would have won. In many parts, Cell doesn't need his huge arrange of skills and techniques to win and when things have gotten to deep he's, for the most part, able to get out through clever manipulation.

SSJ4 Goku

Jun 10 2015, 02:01 PM

Dark Matter

Jun 8 2015, 09:12 PM

Goku's clearly a very skilled fighter with a nice arrange of techniques. In fact I'd probably say out of all the Z-Fighters, he's at least second in terms of most skilled with the first being taken by Piccolo. Third then by Vegeta, but honestly if you want to switch those around a bit, be my guest.

But compare Goku to Cell and at equal levels, its not like Cell's going to have some huge advantage but he just has the notable advantages in his arsenal. He has more techniques at his disposal and there's practically nothing Goku can do that Cell shouldn't be able to do himself. We also know that Cell has the intelligence to get around in many of his forms and is quite the manipulator. The only time he really loses this is against SSj2 Kid Gohan when he's left with almost no options.

Even in his last scenes, he instantly goes for the kill on Gohan and if honestly not for a combination of Gohan's rage and bad luck of Vegeta's distraction, would have won. In many parts, Cell doesn't need his huge arrange of skills and techniques to win and when things have gotten to deep he's, for the most part, able to get out through clever manipulation.

I disagree Vegeta's skill level is exactly equal to Goku's as it was shown in there fight at the Buu Arc, and Buu Arc Piccolo's skill is also below both of them.

But I agree that whatever Goku, Vegeta or Piccolo can dish out so can Cell the only difference is there amped attacks.

Dark Matter

Jun 10 2015, 06:19 PM

Goku and Vegeta only traded a few physical blows, they never interacted with the best of their capabilities. Vegeta has only shown normal amped ki amplification, something anyone in the series can do. Goku however can not only amp his ki just as well, but has other techniques like the Taiyoken as well. Vegeta as far as we know has only trained by himself without any proper teaching.

Goku meanwhile has had the teaching of Muten Roshi, Kami and Kaio-sama. He's actually had proper education as a fighter.

When you take away the PIS and CIS and you just look down at the characters themselves, there's small but notable advantages that they all have. Goku has a multitude of abilities under his belt and has done some quick thinking on his part. Vegeta, especially in the Namek Arc has shown to be quite manipulative and sneaky.

This never gets brought up in the fight in the Boo Arc, it's a straight up slug fest in the end.

Cell meanwhile has more techniques and usability than someone like Goku or Vegeta. Pretty much in the sense that, there's pretty much nothing they can do that Cell can't. He's given the superior genes of everyone and put it all together into one person. He's got the abilities, he's got the regeneration, he's go the skills to use the these abilities and as a fighter. He's got the intelligence.

The guy was literally designed to have the best of the best and it shows. Goku has a lot of skill but Cell has the same amount plus more. Same thing with Vegeta, what can Vegeta do that Cell can't? What can Piccolo do that Cell can't? What can't Freeza do that Cell can't?

It's not like its going to be a huge difference, heck if Boo fought Nappa at equal levels, it would still require Boo to put in significant effort to beat Nappa just because power and ki is such an important concept in DBZ. That skill and ability just gives them that overall edge. Quite honestly, at worst, Cell's skill level is equal to someone like Goku and then is obviously superior in usage of technique.

lucrowe

Jun 10 2015, 09:08 PM

I think the fact that if cell regenerates from one lonely cell he not only regenerates to full power, but he also gets a zenkai boost qualifies as a massive game changing ability.

Plus although he didn't use it, cell does have the spirit bomb in his arsenal. Plus he can super kamehameha, he can solar flare, this guy can do it all. His ability is more than impressive, it's frightening.

If I were to make a chain, I'd put it:

Cell
Goku
vegeta
piccolo
trunks
Gohan

I only out Gohan so low because though he's got a significant power advantage, his ability is immature and he really only knows what he's been taught.

Solid Snake

Jun 10 2015, 09:14 PM

lucrowe

Jun 10 2015, 09:08 PM

I think the fact that if cell regenerates from one lonely cell he not only regenerates to full power, but he also gets a zenkai boost qualifies as a massive game changing ability.

Plus although he didn't use it, cell does have the spirit bomb in his arsenal. Plus he can super kamehameha, he can solar flare, this guy can do it all. His ability is more than impressive, it's frightening.

If I were to make a chain, I'd put it:

Cell
Goku
vegeta
piccolo
trunks
Gohan

I only out Gohan so low because though he's got a significant power advantage, his ability is immature and he really only knows what he's been taught.

I agree but for Cell that's a big if. But him having Namekian ability to regenerate and get stronger shouldn't really qualify him as being skilled. The only thing he gets out of that is a power increase and we don't know if he could continually get them after a set limit. He's gonna have the same skills as before unless he gets put near death by another fallen victim (ex: he and Goku).

The Spirit Bomb's a good technique but I doubt it'll be more refine than what Goku created on Namek. Plus it's impractical to use during a straight up fight. Though Cell could counter that by using Cell Jrs. to stall.

Dark Matter

Jun 10 2015, 09:59 PM

Goku didn't deal with everything Cell threw at him. In fact, quite the contrary, Cell dealt with everything Goku threw at him. Cell was the one shown to be superior in skills and fighting abilities against Goku despite their powers being relatively equal.

As for Gohan, what was he supposed to do? The KHH was actually part of a plan, where he knew he couldn't beat Gohan in a straight up a fight so tried to opt for a different option by shooting a KHH down on him. But that failed, his strongest attack failed and he lost his temper and did everything he could to kill Gohan in blind rage. This was a foolish part on Cell's end but in his mental state, it can't be helped.

Does this make Cell not skilled? Of course not? In the same way that just because Goku doesn't IT KHH every last person he sees or puts the entire world at risk with Gotenks when he can defeat Boo himself doesn't make him unskilled. Obviously Goku is quite skilled and just because the story makes him sprout some foolish mistakes here and there won't change that.

I mean what did you think was going to happen? It's not like the manga was going to have Cell actually use Taioyken+Kienzan to kill Gohan or something. He's already been shown to be skilled in manipulating his way around a fight with Piccolo and Vegeta, even if it was rather desperate, he also tried to change the fight with SSJ2 Kid Gohan by using a KHH.