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Cell's skills and abilities
Topic Started: Jun 6 2015, 05:55 PM (2,599 Views)
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What particular skills at equal level has Cell a top contender? I'm starting to doubt he's special at all and here's why.

First and foremost, his Namekian heritage regeneration process. While it seem and is very useful when he's so far ahead of his opponents that a energy decrease isn't a needs to pay attention to (Goku vs Cell), at equal levels this is actually a bad hindering ability. If Cell was to fight Goku at equal levels straight and he got hit by that Instant Kamehameha, he would have lost plenty of ki, and the fact he had to regenerate just about half of his body was taxing as well to topple that. So if Cell was a 100 and Goku's attack was 150, Cell would be put to a mere 50 while Goku will be at 100. Cell will then have to regenerate that half he has left and that will undoubtedly put him below 50 even more, leaving Goku with plenty of room to work him.

Second, his techniques. While the Special Beam Cannon can be made an exception, he hardly used any of his most devastating attacks aside from the Kienzai Disks or Destructo Disks. But even those are easy to dodge if the opponent is paying attention enough and have the speed to avoid them. Goku fighting Frieza was able to get a free distraction as well due to the fact he couldn't "attack nor defend". If Goku would hit him directly, he would've been vulnerable.

However, he does have a slight track record of using psychological tactics, which were more or less effective to achieve his own goals. But that can only really take you so far IMO.

I don't see Cell as much of a threat no more at equal levels tbh because of this. Not saying he shouldn't be bottom feeder, but he needs to be placed lower than where people seem to have him. I mean if tanking attacks he barely dodged are troublesome, he be f***ed if he was hit more directly like what Gohan and Goku did to him.


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Well imagine if you had say...Vegeta vs Goku had equal levels. Vegeta better hope his endurance is kicking in because getting hit by that Kamehameha will not do well.

It's best to have regeneration which is something than to have nothing at all and lose a limb, ki and blood loss with no way to actually stop it.
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Actually, the only copied techniques that Cell used in the manga were the Kamehameha, Taiyoken, Instant Transmission, Namekian regeneration and Death Beam. He's allegedly capable of using the Spirit Bomb, but we never see him actually use it. All of those other abilities like the Special Beam Cannon, Kikoho, Kienzan, and Multi-Form were given to him by Toei during the filler segments of fights.

I'm thinking the same thing. For the regeneration to be effective without having too much of a downside, you need to have a power advantage over your enemy. Otherwise, you're just decreasing your ki by a substantial amount. Although it might balance itself out if the opponent needed to exert a heavy amount of power to inflict that kind of damage. For example, while regenerating half of his body would take a sizable amount of ki to accomplish for Cell, the simultaneous usage of a fully charged Kamehameha with teleportation may have drained a larger percentage of Goku's overall strength by comparison to the regeneration.

Much of the hype surrounding Cell has to do with him being this conglomeration of the world's best fighters. He's supposed to be this perfect warrior with all of the knowledge and hereditary gifts of multiple species like the Saiyans, Namekians, and Frieza's race. It'd be like extracting the specific genetic traits of other creatures like gorillas for their strength, cheetahs for speed, and lizards for limb regeneration, then somehow finding a way to give those traits to a human with the brain of Einstein, thus making them into some of kind of ultimate human.
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Jun 6 2015, 06:47 PM
Actually, the only copied techniques that Cell used in the manga were the Kamehameha, Taiyoken, Instant Transmission, Namekian regeneration and Death Beam. He's allegedly capable of using the Spirit Bomb, but we never see him actually use it. All of those other abilities like the Special Beam Cannon, Kikoho, Kienzan, and Multi-Form were given to him by Toei during the filler segments of fights.

I'm thinking the same thing. For the regeneration to be effective without having too much of a downside, you need to have a power advantage over your enemy. Otherwise, you're just decreasing your ki by a substantial amount. Although it might balance itself out if the opponent needed to exert a heavy amount of power to inflict that kind of damage. For example, while regenerating half of his body would take a sizable amount of ki to accomplish for Cell, the simultaneous usage of a fully charged Kamehameha with teleportation may have drained a larger percentage of Goku's overall strength by comparison to the regeneration.

Much of the hype surrounding Cell has to do with him being this conglomeration of the world's best fighters. He's supposed to be this perfect warrior with all of the knowledge and hereditary gifts of multiple species like the Saiyans, Namekians, and Frieza's race. It'd be like extracting the specific genetic traits of other creatures like gorillas for their strength, cheetahs for speed, and lizards for limb regeneration, then somehow finding a way to give those traits to a human with the brain of Einstein, thus making them into some of kind of ultimate human.
Your first paragraph is all the more reason I believe Cell should be lower than where a majority people holds him. As for teleportation, Goku never really notes that teleporting is ki taxing cause he uses it quite a lot, it no doubt wastes ki but not to the extent of a Kamehameha. That's why I believe if they were at equals levels flat Cell would've been at a big disadvantage.
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I was actually going to make this exact same thread and I more or less agree with what the OP said. Though while I don't think Namekian regeneration is a disadvantage nor an advantage as while one would need to expend energy to regenerate, the opponent would have also needed to expend energy to damage the fighter in the first place. Probably just a slight disadvantage.

And I agree while Cell's skill is pretty much overhyped. While he supposedly has all of the Z-fighters' techniques, they've already seen or faced most if not all of them so it's not like he brings anything new to the table. And while it is good to have more styles to choose from, someone like Goku had already encountered and countered the moves that were absorbed so he's essentially doing the same. And with the rest of the Z-fighters being astonishingly skilled, knowing the ins and outs of their own techniques, and having faced the techniques of each other, it wouldn't be a stretch to believe that some of them could actually hold their own against Cell and possibly beat him. That being said he is one of the best skilled but probably not so high above everyone else in his range of skill, if at all.
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Boo also is special since he can mimics every attack.
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I don't think of Cell of having endless amount of techniques. Knowing how many warriors' DNA he copied from the manga greatly justifies why he didn't use many attack against formidable foes like Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, etc.
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I don't think of Cell of having endless amount of techniques. Knowing how many warriors' DNA he copied from the manga greatly justifies why he didn't use many attack against formidable foes like Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, etc.
Don't know about Trunks but are you referring to Goku's and Vegeta's fighting sense?
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Fighting sense and power.

Yes about Trunks: he was beating Cell down, and preventing him from achieving perfection. Cell was put into a situation to be killed by fighting a stronger Trunks. Any move up his arsenal should have been used, until he managed to convince Vegeta.
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Cell has many advantages on equal levels,it's true that SSJ Goku even though he was weaker fought Cell quite well, but imagine if Cell didn't have regeneration he would have lost to ITKHH proving it's a very valuable abilitie. The Saiyans ability allow him to become even stronger through Zenkais and he can live in space and has Frieza's biology.

He also possess all of the Z fighters moves and techniques, they have low amp but some of them like Solar Flare can really come in handy. The only fighter I can see beating Cell from the canon verse is possibly Vegito and Buu.
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Regeneration is really underrated. I'd rather regrow an arm and be tired than have no arm and be gushing blood from it.
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I mean if you compare Cell to a lot of people, his advantages are just glaring.

Goku (in general) vs Cell. At this point there's basically nothing Goku knows that Cell doesn't. Even if you consider the idea that Goku has learned more techniques and stuff, he still has to compete with the combination of abilities and techniques from Vegeta, Piccolo and Freeza all wrapped up into one package. It's the same thing for everyone, Piccolo, Vegeta, etc.

And Cell knows how to use these abilities.He has the fighting knowledge of all of these people wrapped up into, again, one whole package. You basically give him the best of the best and then put it all together. As already mentioned, regeneration is a huge factor. It may take a lot of ki but being extremely weak beats being dead.

As for not using every single technique he has, why would he? If the guy throws out his strongest Kamehameha and it gets blasted right back at him, he's kind of out of options now. What is he going to do next? Throw a Galic Gun and hope that somehow works better? Throwing a bunch of attacks at the person isn't the sign of someone skilled, its the sign of someone getting desperate.
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Jun 8 2015, 06:42 PM
I mean if you compare Cell to a lot of people, his advantages are just glaring.

Goku (in general) vs Cell. At this point there's basically nothing Goku knows that Cell doesn't. Even if you consider the idea that Goku has learned more techniques and stuff, he still has to compete with the combination of abilities and techniques from Vegeta, Piccolo and Freeza all wrapped up into one package. It's the same thing for everyone, Piccolo, Vegeta, etc.

And Cell knows how to use these abilities.He has the fighting knowledge of all of these people wrapped up into, again, one whole package. You basically give him the best of the best and then put it all together. As already mentioned, regeneration is a huge factor. It may take a lot of ki but being extremely weak beats being dead.

As for not using every single technique he has, why would he? If the guy throws out his strongest Kamehameha and it gets blasted right back at him, he's kind of out of options now. What is he going to do next? Throw a Galic Gun and hope that somehow works better? Throwing a bunch of attacks at the person isn't the sign of someone skilled, its the sign of someone getting desperate.
Okay he has many hax attacks as well that he had the opportunity to use. And as you said he has the people you mentioned arsenal from when they were in Saiyan saga so he had the Special Beam Cannon which probably has better piercing and destructive force as the Death Beam itself.

And you're forgetting that Goku fought all of those guys and defeated two of em on his own. I'm pretty sure that if the skills he had were relevant, Goku himself would've been f***ed, never mind the power advantage. Them skills he got from the others aren't really all that.
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But Cell still had the notable advantage against Goku. Even when Cell was purposely lowering himself down to Goku's level, he was still 1-2 steps a head of him. It's not like Goku's skills closed the gap in power,, it was the simple fact that Cell was letting Goku close the gap.

It would be one thing if Goku and Cell were equal and Goku's skills were then helping to give him the edge or advantage. But unfortunately there's nothing say that this is the case. Goku's simply able to fight Cell because Cell's letting him. Goku's so called skills weren't exactly playing much part in the fighter either and definitely not much to take away that 1-2 steps advantage Cell had.
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But Cell still had the notable advantage against Goku. Even when Cell was purposely lowering himself down to Goku's level, he was still 1-2 steps a head of him. It's not like Goku's skills closed the gap in power,, it was the simple fact that Cell was letting Goku close the gap.

It would be one thing if Goku and Cell were equal and Goku's skills were then helping to give him the edge or advantage. But unfortunately there's nothing say that this is the case. Goku's simply able to fight Cell because Cell's letting him. Goku's so called skills weren't exactly playing much part in the fighter either and definitely not much to take away that 1-2 steps advantage Cell had.
That's because his power advantage was still evident (this is somewhat similar to Baby Vegeta initially being a little above base Goku, despite Vegeta's skills rivaling Goku's own). And you said it yourself, they still weren't equals we know Cell was gonna of course still be 2 steps ahead of him.

That's funny since I recall Cell giving props to Goku, putting him in a place above everyone Cell has fought at that point till now (this doesn't include Gohan however).
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