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Caitlyn Jenner
Topic Started: Jun 5 2015, 04:15 PM (1,646 Views)
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Yeah not a fan of this whole thing you only have to look how close she is with the Kardashians to think hmmmmm, lotta money they getting from these magazines.

Is it really necessary that she plasters her face all over the internet and every magazine in existence gaining millions because she's already rich and trans?

It's stupid and shallow as f*** she shouldn't be representing them all and is setting a ridiculous standard for trans beauty because face it most still look like men or women, they don't have millions to pay for all the expensive surgery to be how they want to be and Caitlyn's just up there like "ha ha ha look at me I'm better than you I'm even in beauty magazines"

Plus I'm tired of it being shoved down our throats constantly, she's trans whatever...do I really need to know? Honestly didn't know Bruce Jenner existed until he was about to cease existing.


It's not interesting because she's from such a shallow superficial family that this could easily be a cash grab, realized he was trans and thought damn this is so controversial $$$$$$$$$


I don't see how she is particularly courageous compared to people risking their lives on a daily basis to save innocent people much less especially brave compared to other trans people who get murdered and raped for who they are or end up committing suicide because they don't have a family and millions to support them.
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i woke up at 8am this morning after a night out drinking, wheres my courage award.


I kid.

best part of her transformation is using a name that could be spelt using a K but using the spelling that uses the C instead.

kris, kim, kourtney, khloe, kendall, kylie, caitlyn. love it
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Jun 6 2015, 11:11 AM
It is a very irritating subject, I think. Everyone is talking about it.


I feel everyone deserves to be happy and treated with respect, but I don't think we should force people to "agree" with it like everyone seems to be doing. I support the LGBT community, as I don't see a reason not to, but if someone disagrees I'm not gonna condemn them. I feel everyone is entitled to an opinion, regardless if it's unpopular or the reasoning for it is irrational. Forcing people into thinking a certain way is stupid. If Jenner is happy, that's really all that matters here.


On the topic of courage, I think it's hilarious everyone is turning it into a competition. Is what Jenner did courageous? I'd say so. Are soliders courageous? Yeah, but neither is more courageous than the other.
Regards of whether you agree with someone or not you should still at least respect their choice of name - otherwise you're nothing better than a bully. For that matter pronouns.
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Jun 6 2015, 12:38 PM
Yeah not a fan of this whole thing you only have to look how close she is with the Kardashians to think hmmmmm, lotta money they getting from these magazines.

Is it really necessary that she plasters her face all over the internet and every magazine in existence gaining millions because she's already rich and trans?

It's stupid and shallow as f*** she shouldn't be representing them all and is setting a ridiculous standard for trans beauty because face it most still look like men or women, they don't have millions to pay for all the expensive surgery to be how they want to be and Caitlyn's just up there like "ha ha ha look at me I'm better than you I'm even in beauty magazines"

Plus I'm tired of it being shoved down our throats constantly, she's trans whatever...do I really need to know? Honestly didn't know Bruce Jenner existed until he was about to cease existing.


It's not interesting because she's from such a shallow superficial family that this could easily be a cash grab, realized he was trans and thought damn this is so controversial $$$$$$$$$


I don't see how she is particularly courageous compared to people risking their lives on a daily basis to save innocent people much less especially brave compared to other trans people who get murdered and raped for who they are or end up committing suicide because they don't have a family and millions to support them.
Again, it is about a strong positive role model - there is a movement on tumblr now where people are using that magazine cover in order to show they are proud of who they are which a large number of trans people have responded to positively. It is hugely important and a massive step forward.

You are not allowed to have any say at all in who can and cannot represent transgender people when she is very clearly inspiring a large number of people globally.

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Ah yes, a most excellent opinion from someone who clearly has no idea on the matter!!! Because that is clearly the most important part of it. She is not saying she is better than people, it is the exact opposite, she is saying look, you can be who you are inside regards of what people think of you. Considering the massive outpouring of hatred she has received for this but still chosen to go ahead with the surgery and everything is a massive move and takes an extraordinary amount of courage; especially when you are such a well-known individual. You have no idea of the sort of courage something like this takes so you really need to reconsider this and perhaps look at the response from the trans community before determining such things.

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A former college football player, Jenner came to international attention as a decathlete, winning the gold medal in the men's decathlon event at the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal, and setting a world record not beaten until 1980. With the unofficial title of "world's greatest athlete" for the Olympic decathlon win, she was also an American cult hero winning an event dominated by Soviet Union athletes during the Cold War.


While a no-one to you she was well in the public attention in the past and was considered an American hero by a massive amount of people.
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Jun 6 2015, 12:43 PM
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Jun 6 2015, 11:11 AM
It is a very irritating subject, I think. Everyone is talking about it.


I feel everyone deserves to be happy and treated with respect, but I don't think we should force people to "agree" with it like everyone seems to be doing. I support the LGBT community, as I don't see a reason not to, but if someone disagrees I'm not gonna condemn them. I feel everyone is entitled to an opinion, regardless if it's unpopular or the reasoning for it is irrational. Forcing people into thinking a certain way is stupid. If Jenner is happy, that's really all that matters here.


On the topic of courage, I think it's hilarious everyone is turning it into a competition. Is what Jenner did courageous? I'd say so. Are soliders courageous? Yeah, but neither is more courageous than the other.
Regards of whether you agree with someone or not you should still at least respect their choice of name - otherwise you're nothing better than a bully. For that matter pronouns.
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Jun 6 2015, 12:38 PM
i woke up at 8am this morning after a night out drinking, wheres my courage award.


I kid.

best part of her transformation is using a name that could be spelt using a K but using the spelling that uses the C instead.

kris, kim, kourtney, khloe, kendall, kylie, caitlyn. love it
Completely missed that. That's great. I hope that it was intentional on her part.
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I'm not sure about the role model thing. I might be wrong but didn't she kill someone in a car accident last year and get away with it?


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Jun 6 2015, 01:06 PM
I'm not sure about the role model thing. I might be wrong but didn't she kill someone in a car accident last year and get away with it?
I'm pretty sure that was just an accident which does sometimes happen. According to a quick bit of research:

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Bruce Jenner was within legal hauling weight during his fatal car accident in Malibu in February — making a misdemeanor manslaughter charge even less likely than before, a law enforcement source told the Daily News Thursday.

The former Olympian's Cadillac Escalade showed no problems with its brakes or steering during a review by California Highway Patrol investigators, and the trailer and off-road vehicle he was hauling were weighed and found to be well below the maximum allowed, the source said.

Jenner's phone records also confirmed what his lawyer previously said — that the star of "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" was not texting at the time of the tragic crash.

"Probably the only two violations that would apply to Mr. Jenner would be unsafe speed and following too closely," the source said.

"They could file misdemeanor manslaughter, but I don't think they would," the source said, referring to prosecutors. "They look for really egregious things to occur for them to file something like that."

Jenner was traveling about 38 miles per hour when he hit the Lexus carrying 69-year-old victim Kim Howe on Feb. 7, the source confirmed.

That's under the limit for the Pacific Coast Highway but could be considered an unsafe speed considering Howe and the Prius in front of her were either stopped or rolling slowly in traffic, the source said.

"Unsafe speed could still be on the table because you can never go faster than the prevailing conditions," the source said. "You can't go faster than the car in front of you."
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Jun 6 2015, 12:50 PM
You are not allowed to have any say at all in who can and cannot represent transgender people when she is very clearly inspiring a large number of people globally.

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most still look like men or women


Ah yes, a most excellent opinion from someone who clearly has no idea on the matter!!! Because that is clearly the most important part of it. She is not saying she is better than people, it is the exact opposite, she is saying look, you can be who you are inside regards of what people think of you. Considering the massive outpouring of hatred she has received for this but still chosen to go ahead with the surgery and everything is a massive move and takes an extraordinary amount of courage; especially when you are such a well-known individual. You have no idea of the sort of courage something like this takes so you really need to reconsider this and perhaps look at the response from the trans community before determining such things.
Well, plenty trans people don't want her being the role model. Just because she's famous and achieved a lot as a man means nothing she can go talk about her struggle all she wants but plenty trans people have been disowned by their family for being "wrong" or a "freak"

With all the support she has, she has it extremely easy to those suffering alone who get no acknowledgement.


Oh come on, did it also take a lot of courage for Kim K to go naked on that magazine or release her sex tape as an official DVD and plaster her wedding all over newspapers?
Just because Caitlyn is trans you can't refute how shameless the whole family is and that a large part of this whole thing could easily just be for money and fame.
Right now they're fighting for attention over Kim's second pregnancy and Caitlyn being trans, it's ridiculous and like I said shallow.
Give it a couple of months and they'll probably both have more books they didn't write out.

Being trans or not doesn't change the fact that all this is shouting "I'm important, look at me!" it doesn't somehow make that side of it not shallow just because it's tackling an important issue.

All that money she could be setting up charities to help trans people transition and spread awareness as well as help them survive when a lot of the world doesn't even think of them as a person.



Off topic but officially...what is Bruce Jenner now? Is he dead or is he Caitlyn? In reference to the petition that's been made for revoking Bruce's Olympic medal.
Kinda confusing, do Bruce's achievements as a man still count as a woman or should she basically have a new slate? I don't feel like it should be taken away, not much point but should it be celebrated as Caitlyn's achievement? :o_O:
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Off topic but officially...what is Bruce Jenner now? Is he dead or is he Caitlyn? In reference to the petition that's been made for revoking Bruce's Olympic medal.
Kinda confusing, do Bruce's achievements as a man still count as a woman or should she basically have a new slate? I don't feel like it should be taken away, not much point but should it be celebrated as Caitlyn's achievement? :o_O:

She's always been a woman, so they're all Caitlyn's achievements now. That's how it should be viewed anyway.
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Jun 6 2015, 03:31 PM
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Jun 6 2015, 12:50 PM
You are not allowed to have any say at all in who can and cannot represent transgender people when she is very clearly inspiring a large number of people globally.

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most still look like men or women


Ah yes, a most excellent opinion from someone who clearly has no idea on the matter!!! Because that is clearly the most important part of it. She is not saying she is better than people, it is the exact opposite, she is saying look, you can be who you are inside regards of what people think of you. Considering the massive outpouring of hatred she has received for this but still chosen to go ahead with the surgery and everything is a massive move and takes an extraordinary amount of courage; especially when you are such a well-known individual. You have no idea of the sort of courage something like this takes so you really need to reconsider this and perhaps look at the response from the trans community before determining such things.
Well, plenty trans people don't want her being the role model. Just because she's famous and achieved a lot as a man means nothing she can go talk about her struggle all she wants but plenty trans people have been disowned by their family for being "wrong" or a "freak"

With all the support she has, she has it extremely easy to those suffering alone who get no acknowledgement.


Oh come on, did it also take a lot of courage for Kim K to go naked on that magazine or release her sex tape as an official DVD and plaster her wedding all over newspapers?
Just because Caitlyn is trans you can't refute how shameless the whole family is and that a large part of this whole thing could easily just be for money and fame.
Right now they're fighting for attention over Kim's second pregnancy and Caitlyn being trans, it's ridiculous and like I said shallow.
Give it a couple of months and they'll probably both have more books they didn't write out.

Being trans or not doesn't change the fact that all this is shouting "I'm important, look at me!" it doesn't somehow make that side of it not shallow just because it's tackling an important issue.

All that money she could be setting up charities to help trans people transition and spread awareness as well as help them survive when a lot of the world doesn't even think of them as a person.



Off topic but officially...what is Bruce Jenner now? Is he dead or is he Caitlyn? In reference to the petition that's been made for revoking Bruce's Olympic medal.
Kinda confusing, do Bruce's achievements as a man still count as a woman or should she basically have a new slate? I don't feel like it should be taken away, not much point but should it be celebrated as Caitlyn's achievement? :o_O:
I never said she had to be the role model. I said she is a fantastic role model. She doesn't represent all transgender people - and she shouldn't have to.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/5/8736759/transgender-issues-caitlyn-jenner

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"This is one of the many reasons why it's necessary that we celebrate Jenner's courageous decision to not only reveal herself to herself and her family, but to share that journey so openly with us," Mock wrote. "While we celebrate her visibility, it's also vital that we contextualize and frame her journey so we can better serve a multilayered, intersectional community that doesn't have the level of access that has enabled Jenner to be seen and heard as her truest self — something every single person should have access to."


http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/69160661/myvanityfaircover-trans-women-create-their-own-caitlyn-jenner-magazine-covers

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"I have always been aware that I can never represent all trans people. No one or two or three trans people can. This is why we need diverse media representations of trans folks to multiply trans narratives in the media and depict our beautiful diversities."


Caitlyn is providing another facet and has created a forum in which people can discuss and talk about these sort of issues - the fact that people created their own magazine covers is a massive part of this.

This is entirely different to Kim doing a magazine shoot or releasing a sex tape. It is an entirely different concept. Just because you disagree with what some of that family does not take away from what has had to be done. Just like her courage in doing so does not take away from the courage of people who risk their lives in the military or people who save lives as paramedics etc.
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good on her. dont really have any opinions on it other than that.
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What I don't understand(maybe just because It's too difficult to without being in her shoes) is just one thing stil

She said that the penis was the most difficult to see go away. Why though if she really wanted to be girl so bad? You would think that she would be glad no?

Doesn't that kind of point to mainly doing this for publicity?
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Can you maybe link to an article that explains what she said exactly? Just to make sure I have everything in context.
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yeah what was the exact quote? cuz judging from what you've said, I just take that as she's been stuck in a man's body for so long that she still sees her penis when she looks in the mirror. like you know how someone who was overweight and loses a lot of weight but they still see their old fatter self in the mirror, or someone who's bulking up and only ever sees a scrawny person despite putting on a lot of muscle, etc.
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