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Stronger than SSJG?
Topic Started: May 31 2015, 06:48 PM (2,176 Views)
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Right guys, I know GT is non canon but here goes.

So, the fusion dance is (Correct me if I'm wrong) (fusee1+fusee2)x100 this might only apply for Vegeta and Goku for their differences but they are the fusees in question. SSJ4 is 4000x base, meaning that Gogeta SSJ4 is (Goku+Vegeta)x400000.

Wouldn't this mean that (Again, correct me if I'm wrong) since SSJG is 20000x base, that Gogeta SSJ4 is miles ahead of SSJG?

Just a cool scale on the power used in GT, even though it's non-canon.
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I hate to say it, but none of the multipliers in your post are the least bit canon. Whoever told you they were the case was just making things up.

Fusion/God are an unknown increase, SSJ4 is a potential unlock, so it varies from person to person.
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All we know of fusion is that it makes two warriors into a single better warrior that has power neither of the two could have on their own. Super Saiyan God is an odd one, the original Super Saiyan God had roughly a power level around 10,000 to possibly 100,000 in order to combat the evil Saiyans' Oozaru states. Goku at his peak reach a realm of power he never even knew existed (keeping in mind a possible SSJ3 Vegito and Gogeta). So I think the boost is dependent on the host's power level.

My theory anyways.......
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Yeah, the only "multipliers" we've ever been given are the ones from the Saiyan transformations in the original story. The manga itself gave us the boost for Oozaru (base x10), multiple guidebooks over the years have given us the one for Super Saiyan (base x50), and the recent Super Exciting Guide books built upon that with boosts for Super Saiyan 2 (SS x2) and Super Saiyan 3 (SS2 x4).

Anything beyond that is just fans making their best guesses. Fusion has always just been "stronger than the sum of the parts," and Potara is "generally greater than the Fusion Dance." GT's power placement is all over the place in seemingly random, Goku-glorifying ways, making it nigh impossible to assign any sort of consistent single multiplier to Super Saiyan 4.

Super Saiyan God in particular is near impossible to measure. Not just because it's so incredibly powerful, but also because it seems to use/create a different higher quality ki that can't be sensed and measured by mortals.
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I'm happy that there's is no multiplier for fusions and SsjinGod power.
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May 31 2015, 07:39 PM
Super Saiyan God in particular is near impossible to measure. Not just because it's so incredibly powerful, but also because it seems to use/create a different higher quality ki that can't be sensed and measured by mortals.
It's never implied that it's immeasurable. In fact, it seems to be quite the opposite as Goku could seemingly quantify where he stood as a god.
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May 31 2015, 06:48 PM
Right guys, I know GT is non canon but here goes.

So, the fusion dance is (Correct me if I'm wrong) (fusee1+fusee2)x100 this might only apply for Vegeta and Goku for their differences but they are the fusees in question. SSJ4 is 4000x base, meaning that Gogeta SSJ4 is (Goku+Vegeta)x400000.

Wouldn't this mean that (Again, correct me if I'm wrong) since SSJG is 20000x base, that Gogeta SSJ4 is miles ahead of SSJG?

Just a cool scale on the power used in GT, even though it's non-canon.
Those fusion dance numbers aren't proven, no official multiplier of formula was shown. And SSJ4 is a potential unlock not a multiplier proven by the GT guidebooks.

The SSJG boost is also in the dark, no one knows how much power it grants, but yeah SSJ4 Gogeta >>>> SSJG Goku if that's what you ask :) .
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Super Saiyan Four in general seems to be the only other Super Saiyan form (Aside from the original) that even OPERATES correctly 90% of the time, never the less is effective. I'm not sure if its formally stronger than Super Saiyan God Mode, but its a hell of a lot more useful.
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Super Saiyan Four in general seems to be the only other Super Saiyan form (Aside from the original) that even OPERATES correctly 90% of the time, never the less is effective. I'm not sure if its formally stronger than Super Saiyan God Mode, but its a hell of a lot more useful.
SSJ4 doesn't have Jack on SSJG, I'm a huge fan of the Super Saiyan Four but in all honesty as far as power goes it pales in comparison.

Perhaps it's better for the user cause there's no time limit or any sort of strain but it's much weaker.
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How, how would you even know that?
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Jun 26 2015, 02:05 AM
How, how would you even know that?
SSJ4 Goku >>> SBV2 > SBV1 > Z SSJ Vegetto > Bebi Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku > SSJ2 Goku > SSJ Goku > Base Goku

SSJG Goku >>>> SSJ3 Vegetto >> SSJ2 Vegetto > Z SSJ Vegetto >>>> Base Vegetto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku >> SSJ2 Goku > SSJ Goku >>>> Base Goku

SSJG boost >>>>>>> SSJ4 boost
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No I asked how do you Know thay, not for a subjective power chain. Facts please.
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Jun 26 2015, 02:22 AM
Facts please.
What do you expect? We have no facts to go by, only feats and statements. The majority of those lean heavily in favor of SSJG >>>> SSJ4.
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What did Super Saiyan God Mode Goku do that Super Saiyam Four Goku couldn't emulate?
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Jun 26 2015, 02:29 AM
What did Super Saiyan God Mode Goku do that Super Saiyam Four Goku couldn't emulate?
Blowing the doors off the Potara boost and reaching a "realm of power he didn't know existed".

What evidence do you have for SSJ4 > SSJG?
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