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McDonald's works should make $15 per hour?!
Topic Started: May 30 2015, 11:55 PM (2,816 Views)
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I figured it'd get into ideological differences. To be clear the context of this thread is the US government and its principles.

I agree with the last part already. People are behind corporations and they aren't exempt from abusing people. Paying absurdly low levels would go under abuse. Paying people under the standard of living doesn't qualify as abuse. You can't just wander into random job and hope the company will support all your expenses. Under American ideology a company is not your life support. It's a means to an end.

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Jun 1 2015, 11:03 PM
That's hard to say, but the government aren't your parents. Their purpose is to prevent people from abusing each other (and I know the government oversteps the bounds both ways).
I'd argue that paying wages that don't support the employee could be considered a form of abuse, taking advantage of someone's desperation to not offer them a fair rate of pay for work. I get this whole "the government that governs least is the government that governs best" thing is big in America but that the government should step in to ensure that workers are paid adequately to live (and spend, and keep the nations economy running smoothly) seems really obvious to me.
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We had a situation growing here a while ago where Tesco were trying to get away with squeezing dairy farmers of their living so that they could charge less for milk in order to compete with rival super markets. It's an example of where governments need to step in. Otherwise the price of milk gets so absurdly low that people can't make a living selling it and the whole market ends up collapsing. It sounds like a bit of a slipper slope argument but that actually could have happened. I'm not saying in anyway that the government should tell companies how much to sell their products for but they do need to step in sometimes when it starts to get silly.


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That's hard to say, but the government aren't your parents. Their purpose is to prevent people from abusing each other (and I know the government oversteps the bounds both ways).
I'd argue that paying wages that don't support the employee could be considered a form of abuse, taking advantage of someone's desperation to not offer them a fair rate of pay for work. I get this whole "the government that governs least is the government that governs best" thing is big in America but that the government should step in to ensure that workers are paid adequately to live (and spend, and keep the nations economy running smoothly) seems really obvious to me.
It's not really abuse. What exactly is a fair rate of pay is the point of contention here. I don't agree that a company has to support someone's life or else they're abusing them. A company contracts work to someone in exchange for a service. Does that service have to support an entire lifestyle regardless of how little contribution is made to the company? In an ideal world, sure.

In some cases a company could take advantage of the lack of opportunities and pay slave like wages to people. That's where I think the government needs to step in. But is not supporting the entire lifestyle equivalent to slave like labor? IMO, no.

What the McDonalds workers also don't realize is that raising the minimum wage to $15 would have ridiculous implications on the prices of basic goods. But still, like I said, based on the states I've been to $7.25 is painfully low and has been due for a bump.

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Here, you would probably get more than that for a paper round.


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