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McDonald's works should make $15 per hour?!
Topic Started: May 30 2015, 11:55 PM (2,819 Views)
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I think this is somewhat the appropriate time for a joke, since it's kinda relevant to the discussion.

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In all seriousness - I'll just say $9.00 - $11.00 would help out greatly. Where I live, minimum wage ain't doin' the trick... and I can also think of other places that deserve $15/h more than McDonald's.
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May 31 2015, 01:21 PM
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The guys that wrote that sign can't spell.

Doesn't mean he doesn't deserve 15 dollars an hour. He's still a human that needs to take care of himself.
People are focusing too much on the contribution to society, it's minimum wage, of course they're not doctors or CEO's of big corporations.
People need to be able to take care of themselves, that is not even up for debate
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May 31 2015, 11:55 AM
Whoever (I think it was Faylen) said that people working low-end jobs like retail and fast food shouldn't be making enough money to live off of is an idiot. What gives you the right to judge a person's career choice (or in many cases, career non-choice, since some people don't have much of a choice in the first place) as not good enough to live off of? Every full-time job should at minimum pay enough to support that one person. Nobody is saying the minimum wage should be enough to thrive on ($15/hour is too high, it's the equivalent of $9-10 here in the UK, which is enough to 'live' off of), or that it should support an entire family, just that it should pay enough for somebody to pay bills/rent/food. To say that people who work in McDonalds don't deserve to earn enough to live on is a ridiculous statement, and one that paints a poor picture of you as a person.
First of all. I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth.

I said that you shouldn't settle for base level jobs at major corporations and EXPECT them to pay you a manager's wage. Work your way up or get a REAL job that IS designed to support more than just you. I have a child to raise, a wife, bills, car notes, cable bills, etc. I found a job that PAID more than minimum wage (by nearly $5/hr) and it's a job that does NOT require any prior education or training.

Base level employment at McDonalds should NOT be a job you strive to have as a career. If that's the job you WANT to work then get a second job somewhere else and work as many hours as possible. The problem is people don't want to find another job and want their job to suddenly become better even though their job is not designed to support someone with a family. It's barely designed to support someone in their mid-20's living on their own.

Even then, working that job would let them qualify for low income housing, food stamps and various other government benefits that I don't qualify for because I make more money an hour. So in reality they'd get more per month than I do because of these government benefits. But people want their cake and to eat it too.
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May 31 2015, 01:04 AM
I'm on the train of if you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills. Working at McDonalds should not pay you a living wage. The job I work does not require any previous experience (Although it helps) and pays $12 an hour. You just have to look for jobs that pay better.
Not putting words in your mouth and there's the proof. "Working at McDonalds should not pay you a living wage." Don't accuse me of making stuff up.

And again, who are you to say what's a 'real' job and what's not? They have a job, that's what matters. Whether they're content with their career choice is their worry, not yours.
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Should it not be noted that working in any fast food place like McDonald's is extremely stressful?

On paper it might be easy work but it's a bit different in reality.
Have to talk to potentially thousands of people a day, shouting constantly, shuffling around all the other workers, having to remember who ordered what, having to understand what grumpy/quiet/foreign/unintelligible people are saying to you, you're expected to keep a cool head with all that too.

Not to mention all the noisy bratty kids that visit and having to switch to cleaning duties every five seconds after someone spills a drink.

The atmosphere is terrible in these places I'd rather die than work in one and not just because of anxiety.


Can certainly see why it deserves a bit more of a wage compared to sitting in an office with your own chair and computer typing up stuff and phoning people, not exactly hard work compared to the constant commotion in McDonald's.

That's how it is in fast food places in my nearby city anyway and the population as of 2009 was 72,000.
Compared to L.A which as of 2013 had 3.88 MILLION people(granted there's obviously many fast food joints all over)


I doubt many people who work in offices could go work at McDonalds for a couple of months and tell you it was an easy job, they'd be dying to get back to their desk :p
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May 31 2015, 10:13 AM


Pay human beings a living wage whether they're working in fast food full time, using it to support their studies or just working somewhere while looking for someplace better. Because believe it or not, whichever one of those boxes you tick, you still need to live.
There is actually a newish business model that is emerging called Cooperatives. Where the employee and its customers can also own a portion of the business.
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Black Star Co-op is the world’s first cooperatively-owned and worker self-managed brewpub. We are owned by a community of more than 3,000 individuals and organizations, and we're democratically managed by our Workers' Assembly.

Co-operatives are businesses owned by the people that purchase or manage its services. You don’t have to be a member-owner to come to the brewpub, but supporting Black Star Co-op means supporting livable wages, democratic workplaces, local farms, and quality products from your community brewpub!

http://www.blackstar.coop/

You don't tip at this place, and it's mostly self serve. It's probably the best restaurant i've ever been to as well.
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Minimum Wage here up North is $11 per hour. I think it's fairly reasonable to living decently.
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I don't know if anyone here is trying to make the accusation that certain jobs shouldn't pay a living expense but if you are, get real. Do you know what a job is? Do you know why people get a job? A job is most importantly one to make a living. It is to put food on the table. A job no matter what kind it is should be able to pay for the expenses of not only food, shelter, clothing and the basic needs but even things outside of that. Things like insurance perhaps or a build up of wealth that can be used in cases of emergencies.

But again, people get jobs to make a living and I don't think some of you have any idea how hard it is these days (especially in the United States) how hard it is to get such a job. I have a bachelor's degree in applied sociology, minor in psychology and a concentration in marriage and family with additional experience in the work force back when I was working for the University.

Even with those credentials, I still find it difficult to find anything more than your typical sales jobs that they leave hanging out. Now a days, even a bachelor's degree doesn't amount to much. Everyone wants a Masters and soon I bet even that will become obsolete and everyone will need a PhD. We're in the situation where there's no middle ground to be had.

It is incredibly difficult to get a job and even keep it. The average person will in fact go through at least 10 different jobs in their lifetime. From minimum wage issues, to the educational system to the way the workforce is, this is something that's really serious and shouldn't be taken lightly.
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May 31 2015, 07:19 PM
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May 31 2015, 01:04 AM
I'm on the train of if you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills. Working at McDonalds should not pay you a living wage. The job I work does not require any previous experience (Although it helps) and pays $12 an hour. You just have to look for jobs that pay better.
Not putting words in your mouth and there's the proof. "Working at McDonalds should not pay you a living wage." Don't accuse me of making stuff up.

And again, who are you to say what's a 'real' job and what's not? They have a job, that's what matters. Whether they're content with their career choice is their worry, not yours.
Yes. But being a baseline employee at McDonalds or Whataburger shouldn't pay the same as an EMT driving an ambulance or a dispatcher for a police station.

Minimum wage is for minimum skills. If you have minimum skills and can only work for places like McDonalds as a base line employee then you are competing with EVERYONE ELSE in the world for your job. If you don't want to work that job, then you can be replaced by someone who wants to work it more than you. Why should a business be FORCED to increase what they pay? It's your choice to work that job. It's your choice to stop looking for a job that pays better.

My youngest brother is in the McDonalds mess. He complains about his job, his wages and his living conditions. Complains that he doesn't have enough money. But he sure does make sure he has enough to go to the movies every week, get new video games and go out to eat at expensive restaurants.

What he doesn't do? Look for a better job that would give him more money. He has been working McDonalds for FOUR years now and is content with working three. He isn't even concerned with trying to become a manager. He wants to work as a starting position in McDonals and wants them to suddenly just provide with him with more money.

No. I don't think they should increase minimum wage for basic positions. I think people should try to aspire to being more than a burger bottom of the totem poll employee.

Police stations are usually hiring for various positions (besides being an officer). Welding companies hire AND train you in the field. Cabinet companies usually do the same thing. Retail pays more than fast food restaurants and being a waiter/waitress will usually give you a bigger income than fast food (if you're a people person).

I don't consider working at McDonalds a real job. By real job I mean CAREER. Yes. It's a job. But it's not a career. It's not something you work to support a family with. If you choose to work there and choose NOT to look for a better job then it is your own fault. If you don't have the skills to get a better job or don't wish to acquire the skills to get a better job then it is your own fault. Companies should not be forced to pay people more money just because people think it's not fair.

Life isn't fair. Work hard to get your money. Work a better job. Find a career. Worst case scenario join the military. I heard they provide benefits, housing and a salary. Sounds like a better way of living than scrapping paycheck to paycheck with fast food.
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Doesn't nothing really get accomplished by raising the minimum wage? I feel like I learned that in class this year.
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Video is relevant to discussion. Working at McDonalds is crazy work
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Jun 1 2015, 12:28 AM
No. I don't think they should increase minimum wage for basic positions. I think people should try to aspire to being more than a burger bottom of the totem poll employee.
Problem with that though is that the world will only turn with people wayyyy at the bottom of the ladder.

If everyone was a doctor or politician nothing would get done, it's the low level workers that do pretty much the most important work in the world. They supply all workplaces with whatever they need.


Of course not everyone is smart or skilled enough to get a better job but in a world where everyone could just go be a doctor why would anyone settle for less? Higher pay would encourage low level workers to stay there and supply the masses(not just at McDonald's I mean)

Someone has to do the dirty work, they should be able to live a decent life outside of the workplace.
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No. I don't think they should increase minimum wage for basic positions. I think people should try to aspire to being more than a burger bottom of the totem poll employee.
Problem with that though is that the world will only turn with people wayyyy at the bottom of the ladder.

If everyone was a doctor or politician nothing would get done, it's the low level workers that do pretty much the most important work in the world. They supply all workplaces with whatever they need.


Of course not everyone is smart or skilled enough to get a better job but in a world where everyone could just go be a doctor why would anyone settle for less? Higher pay would encourage low level workers to stay there and supply the masses(not just at McDonald's I mean)

Someone has to do the dirty work, they should be able to live a decent life outside of the workplace.
I never once mentioned someone should aspire to be a doctor. I work maintenance for a condominium (Basically an Apartment Complex that rents by the day/month and is fully furnished). I work mostly outside in 90% humidity. Unbearably hot summers and the winters are obnoxious because we don't lose ANY humidity when it gets cold. So you're wearing the cold weather like an outfit.

I repair air conditioner units, routers, televisions, cable boxes, clean up the parking lot, handle pest control and any other issue that might make a tenet unhappy. My job is harder than a base level job at McDonalds. Yes. Their job is more menial. They have to perform the same task over and over again. They likely could be replaced by a machine rather easily. If minimum wage goes up too much they likely WILL be replaced by one.

I get paid roughly $5/hr more than minimum wage and I left another job that paid $3 more than minimum wage to get this job. I didn't stop looking for a job and I still am not done looking for one. I am applying for jobs at places that pay more than mine and would get me into a career. I am not settling. I don't aspire to be a doctor. I don't aspire to be a lawyer. I just aspire to make more money so I can support my wife and child. I want to make more money so my wife doesn't have to work at Waffle House so she can have extra spending cash to buy things she wants to have that we don't need.

If you want more money and your job isn't paying you enough. Look for a better job and don't give up. It might take a year. I worked at my previous job for three years before I got this job. I even tried working both at the same time but I couldn't justify working my other job for $2/hr less than my new job. So I gave them my two weeks noticed and departed with from some wonderful friendships.
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Raising the minimum wage is usually canceled by the rise in price of basic living goods. It's counterproductive, but that doesn't mean that sometimes it isn't necessary. We're still being hit by inflation and the purchasing power of a day to day minimum wage worker (and those close to them) is very weak. The US has been due for a raise to $9-$10 for a while now. While $7.50 was actually alright around 15 years ago, it's kind ridiculous right now.

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I do have to add... What about all of the people who can't get a better job because of their circumstances? I know I'm using the word "can't" lightly, but basically I'm referring to people who find it much more difficult than others to find a job. I'm talking people with disabilities, mental illness, etc. who struggle with holding a job at a place like McDonald's. We have to consider the fact that there are people out there who have to support themselves, but they may suffer from something like social anxiety, autism, epilepsy, severe depression, bipolar disorder, etc. Shouldn't the minimum wage be enough for a single person to live at least in a cheap one bedroom apartment? It isn't even high enough for that, to be honest, and there are people out there who cannot afford to survive or find a better job because society just won't allow it.

I know that there are ways around this. There are social services that actually do help people find jobs; however, those jobs are usually very menial like working at McDonald's where struggling people can barely get by.

In our society and economy, it's work or die. People are backed into corners, and oftentimes that can lead to depression and suicide. The work force is becoming so competitive, a lot of people can no longer keep up.
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