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| McDonald's works should make $15 per hour?! | |
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May 31 2015, 03:57 AM Post #16 |
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For those of you against raising the minimum wage, don't you think that at least 9 or 10 dollars an hour should suffice? It's impossible to live off of 7.25 per hour, and some people have extremely limited options. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | May 31 2015, 04:14 AM Post #17 |
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I think the minimum wage should be relative to your living cost So it will vary city by city and stuff but most places should have it at least 9-10$ imo Here in Ottawa minimum wage is 11$ and it's going to be 11.25 $ in October, which I think is pretty good, you have to know it's the minmun wage, stick to your job and you will be getting paid 13$+ in a few years |
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| Cloud | May 31 2015, 04:15 AM Post #18 |
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I say it actually depends on the area. In my state cost of living is incredibly low compared to others. So although our minimum wage is $7.25 like your state, it's much more affordable to live here (Mississippi) than it is in others. This article actually talks about how my $7.25/hr beats California's $9/hr because of just HOW cheap it is to live in Mississippi. Only my first job at Subway ever paid me $7.25/hr. Every job since then has been $8.50+/hr. I was getting paid $10.50/hr at Best Buy before I quit and started working for $12/hr at my current place of work. If cost of living is high, I feel minimum wage should increase to reflect that. If cost of living is super low, minimum wage should reflect that. |
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| Copy_Ninja | May 31 2015, 04:26 AM Post #19 |
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So, if minimum wage isn't increased then what's the solution for people who do work minimum wage jobs who do have to support a family? Because there are a lot of people in this situation. Whether minimum wage jobs are designed for that or not, the simple fact of the matter is there are a significant number of people who have very few skills and these jobs are really the best they can do. These people need an income that's going to support them. ^ That's me asking a genuine question btw, what are other solutions? |
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| peep | May 31 2015, 04:26 AM Post #20 |
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It depends on the area in which you live. San Francisco, where the $15 minimum wage is already legal (or will be soon, I think) has an extremely high cost of living compared to other parts of the country (or even other parts of the state). In San Jose, the other major city in the SF Bay Area, I'm living in a two-bedroom apartment and we're paying over $1700 a month, but I know some people who pay almost twice that for the same size apartment in the next town over. My old 3-bedroom/2-bathroom house sold for like $550k, but I know you can get a house that's a hell of a lot bigger than mine for a fraction of that price in other states. There are certain areas in the suburbs around here where people can ask $1m and nobody would bat an eye. The minimum wage here is already $10-something, which is understandable given the high cost of housing, etc. But in areas where the cost of living is relatively low, I would argue against increasing the minimum wage above whatever the federal MW is right now. All it would serve to accomplish is to increase competition among unskilled jobs, because those are really the only ones for which the minimum wage matters. Sure, the few people who can manage to get hired would be happy, but everyone else who can't get hired would either move to another area (if they could even afford to do so) or go on welfare/unemployment. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to be able to live the way they want, even if the minimum wage is raised. It would be nice if we could all afford our own place, but some people are just going to have to resort to finding some roommates and sharing an apartment or whatever. |
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| Cloud | May 31 2015, 04:34 AM Post #21 |
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Find a non-minimum wage job. Look for a trade job. Find a business that is hiring welders and will hire on and train people to weld. Apply for a job at banks or new businesses that are a bit of a higher cut than your typical minimum wage job. Apply for jobs at new businesses that are hiring en mass. They typically pay more than minimum wage starting out and over hire. They do this as to weed out anyone who doesn't qualify for the job after a couple months into the business. If you're a good/hard worker you'll land a better paying job than minimum wage. The main thing is you have to WANT to work at your job. If you just want to sit back and play on your phone you're going to be stuck at minimum wage for a while. If you've got a wonderful personality and/or are attractive apply for jobs at apartment complexes as the "Desk Guy/Gal." They NEED charismatic (appearance is usually a part of this job) people to work for them and you make commission (usually). The more convincing you are to a complete stranger the more people you will get to move into such said apartment complex which means they make more money. Which in turn means you will too. Retail at places like Best Buy are good too. They're not commission based but they give out a bonus every month based on your sales and you start out at like $8.50/hr. If that's not good for you and you're terrible with people then hard labor is the way to go. Construction based jobs, welding, cabinet building, etc. |
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| peep | May 31 2015, 04:45 AM Post #22 |
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That's the biggest problem with increasing the minimum wage: once it's high enough to support a family, the jobs won't be available to those who need them. And there's really no way to make sure that the jobs go to those in need, because the government can't force companies to hire specific people. Unskilled work pays so little because anyone can do it, and since anyone can do it, the wages basically dictate who will apply. If it doesn't pay much, only the desperate will take the job, but if you start increasing the minimum wage, people who otherwise wouldn't want to flip burgers all day suddenly decide that it would be worth their time. Generally, the people who are able to pick and choose the work they take are the ones with the skills or abilities to work elsewhere. The only solutions I can think of don't actually involve increasing minimum wage. For one, you could focus on helping people gain the skills needed to work higher-paying jobs so they aren't stuck working minimum-wage jobs. You could also create subsidized housing for those who, for whatever reason, are unable to improve themselves and find work elsewhere. |
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May 31 2015, 04:50 AM Post #23 |
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I started at $7.25 an hour at my current job, and after working there for almost two years I still only make $7.75. It also depends on the company you work for. My place of work is notorious for the way they treat their employees at a corporate level. The only reason I stay is because it makes me happy for the most part. I love the people I work with; they've become my best friends. I am, however, looking for another part time job that will start me out at at least 9 per hour so I can afford the two bedroom apartment my girlfriend and I will be getting. She works at Best Buy and only makes like $8.90 an hour. I've been applying a bit here and there, but nothing promising has really turned up. I did get offered an interview for Dish network where I would be starting at $11.50 per hour, but that's a full-time job and they won't work with my school schedule, so I'll just have to keep looking. I don't know if it's the same for you guys, but it's extremely hard to find a job here that either A) is food or retail related, or B) requires at least a bachelor's degree or 3+ years of experience. I may just have to keep applying to retail stores and call centers. |
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| Common2 | May 31 2015, 04:56 AM Post #24 |
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Both of these assume that other, non-minimum-wage jobs are readily available to people who put in a bit of effort. Is it really that easy though? I find that hard to believe, when 69% of people at the current minimum wage are 20 or older. |
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| Cloud | May 31 2015, 04:58 AM Post #25 |
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Be persistent. It is going to be difficult to find a job that fits your schedule and pays you what you want. Don't forget to check out the odd end jobs on Craigslist. There are some legitimate good paying jobs listed on there. I worked for Red box for a few months from applying for a "Help Wanted" ad on there. The pay was nice, but I did the math about the cost of gas plus maintenance on my car and found out I wasn't making as much as I thought. |
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| Common2 | May 31 2015, 05:23 AM Post #26 |
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I'm just going to post this here http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm |
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| Cloud | May 31 2015, 05:28 AM Post #27 |
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I'm skeptical of any article that talks of studies and presents facts without sources or citations. Then I saw that it was on a .gov website. My skepticism is now over 9000. For lack of a better reference. |
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| + Pyrus | May 31 2015, 09:02 AM Post #28 |
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If McDonald's workers make $15, I want at least $40 starting out. |
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| * Sousen Ichimonji | May 31 2015, 10:13 AM Post #29 |
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Here's the thing though, you can talk a lot about how these jobs are aimed at first time workers, but that's just not a relevant factor - in the US the average McDonalds employee is 29 years old. These jobs ARE becoming jobs that people are needing to use to support a family. And lets face it, people don't go into work in fast food because they want to, or because they're stupid or lazy - they do it because many job markets are vicious, requiring qualifications that may never have been an issue for people even ten years out of education or years of experience that they will never get because every job in that field needs experience in that field. Pay human beings a living wage whether they're working in fast food full time, using it to support their studies or just working somewhere while looking for someplace better. Because believe it or not, whichever one of those boxes you tick, you still need to live. |
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| * Mitas | May 31 2015, 11:55 AM Post #30 |
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Whoever (I think it was Faylen) said that people working low-end jobs like retail and fast food shouldn't be making enough money to live off of is an idiot. What gives you the right to judge a person's career choice (or in many cases, career non-choice, since some people don't have much of a choice in the first place) as not good enough to live off of? Every full-time job should at minimum pay enough to support that one person. Nobody is saying the minimum wage should be enough to thrive on ($15/hour is too high, it's the equivalent of $9-10 here in the UK, which is enough to 'live' off of), or that it should support an entire family, just that it should pay enough for somebody to pay bills/rent/food. To say that people who work in McDonalds don't deserve to earn enough to live on is a ridiculous statement, and one that paints a poor picture of you as a person. |
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