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Son Goten Appreciation Thread
Topic Started: May 30 2015, 11:15 PM (3,855 Views)
Fearless Saiyajin
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I hate Goten when he cry like a baby.
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My Dear Melancholy,

Hey! That's unfair >:(. Goten only cried 3 times in the manga. When Chi Chi and Gohan died..or thought Gohan died. Then when Goku left. He had zero family. He was alone. Why shouldn't he cry?

Oops didn't mean to get tough on you like that xD
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Lol don't worry TD, its good for 'im, builds character and such. GT Goten's Ki Blast style is just sooooooo cool too! Honestly he's cooler than Static Shock, Spider-Man and the TMNT.
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Jun 7 2015, 10:06 PM
I hate Goten when he cry like a baby.
Dude...he's a freaking little kid....and name every time he cried. All had to do with death. Come on now.
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I mean I appreciate your appreciation for Goten but I feel like the series never considered him to be a character that people would place over the other characters such as Goku or Vegeta or even future Trunks.
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No one is placed over Goku and Vegeta ever. Just look at all the new material.
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Honestly, when I think of Dragon Ball, I categorize it into :
1.mystical adventures
2.The tournaments and the fighting and the time skips (this is when DB starts to get big),
3. the dragging on of the series which is from the Freeza arc to the Cell arc
and 4. the ending- the celebration of Toriyama in which the seriousness and "logic" goes out the window. This is the Boo arc.
So, to me Goten simply fills that role of a character like Arale, Oolong, Lunch, Puar etc. etc.
He is there simply to be THERE, to make us laugh and also to bring character uniqueness to the series.
For these reasons he is not a character to be compared with the "legends" of the series, the characters that actually DEFINE Dragon Ball and were there since the beginning. These characters are Goku, Kuririn, Piccolo, Vegeta, Gohan and Bulma. And maybe some of the villains, also .
So I would disagree that Goten "is Dragon Ball", Goku fills that role mostly.
But Goten is still awesome, I love him too.
So you shouldn't care what anyone says.
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4. the ending- the celebration of Toriyama in which the seriousness and "logic" goes out the window. This is the Boo arc.
So, to me Goten simply fills that role of a character like Arale, Oolong, Lunch, Puar etc. etc.He is there simply to be THERE, to make us laugh and also to bring character uniqueness to the series.


I think Goten has more importance than the characters like Oolong, Puar, etc for the main reason of being Goku's son. I think he brings back Goku's childhood personality to the series too which helps us reminisce from the first dragon ball series. And Ill add that the fact they look exactly the same makes him more likeable. So I think Goten definitely had the potential of being one of the "legends" but didn't quite make it in because he didn't actually exist until the very end of the series.

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For these reasons he is not a character to be compared with the "legends" of the series, the characters that actually DEFINE Dragon Ball and were there since the beginning. These characters are Goku, Kuririn, Piccolo, Vegeta, Gohan and Bulma. And maybe some of the villains, also .
So I would disagree that Goten "is Dragon Ball", Goku fills that role mostly.


I agree but want to add Future Trunks to the list because he was of big influence to the characters and helped them become allies against the androids, and also he saved Goku's life. Without him they wouldn't be alive
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Jun 25 2015, 07:34 PM
I agree but want to add Future Trunks to the list because he was of big influence to the characters and helped them become allies against the androids, and also he saved Goku's life. Without him they wouldn't be alive
I'm not talking from an inside-story view.
Like, Raditz was quite important inside the story, but he didn't influence, inspire, or lead the series with his own character.
But Future Trunks may be for some.
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Jun 25 2015, 01:08 PM
Honestly, when I think of Dragon Ball, I categorize it into :
1.mystical adventures
2.The tournaments and the fighting and the time skips (this is when DB starts to get big),
3. the dragging on of the series which is from the Freeza arc to the Cell arc
and 4. the ending- the celebration of Toriyama in which the seriousness and "logic" goes out the window. This is the Boo arc.
So, to me Goten simply fills that role of a character like Arale, Oolong, Lunch, Puar etc. etc.
He is there simply to be THERE, to make us laugh and also to bring character uniqueness to the series.
For these reasons he is not a character to be compared with the "legends" of the series, the characters that actually DEFINE Dragon Ball and were there since the beginning. These characters are Goku, Kuririn, Piccolo, Vegeta, Gohan and Bulma. And maybe some of the villains, also .
So I would disagree that Goten "is Dragon Ball", Goku fills that role mostly.
But Goten is still awesome, I love him too.
So you shouldn't care what anyone says.
Well that's your view. On DB. But Vegeta , Gohan, and Piccolohas NOT been there since the beginning
They debut in the 7th and 6th arc. How exactly is that the beginning of DB? The beginning is Goku,Roshi,Bulma, Yamcha, and Krillin And to your 4 points.

1. Goten had many adventures but not compared to most since he debut late.
2. Goten was in tournaments, fought, and was..born during a time skip.
3. Gotenks dragged the Super Boo fight in the anime.
4. Goten has many illogical moments. Hell DB itself don't follow his own logic.

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Jun 27 2015, 07:27 PM
Well that's your view. On DB. But Vegeta , Gohan, and Piccolohas NOT been there since the beginning
They debut in the 7th and 6th arc. How exactly is that the beginning of DB? The beginning is Goku,Roshi,Bulma, Yamcha, and Krillin And to your 4 points.

1. Goten had many adventures but not compared to most since he debut late.
2. Goten was in tournaments, fought, and was..born during a time skip.
3. Gotenks dragged the Super Boo fight in the anime.
4. Goten has many illogical moments. Hell DB itself don't follow his own logic.

I never said it wasn't my view, bro.
And when I say beginning I mean since very early, when the series was still at it's "infancy" compared to what it had coming.
And, you don't seem to understand what I'm saying with my 4 points.
I was just splitting Dragon Ball into 4 parts, where each of which had it's different intentions by the creator.
You need to read it better!
Anyway, all I'm trying to say is, accept Goten for what he is.
He isn't to be compared with the main characters, but he also isn't meant to be put aside.
You can love him all you want, he is awesome, but don't become blindly fanatical over this character.
Peace ;)
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Andro
Jun 27 2015, 08:28 PM
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Jun 27 2015, 07:27 PM
Well that's your view. On DB. But Vegeta , Gohan, and Piccolohas NOT been there since the beginning
They debut in the 7th and 6th arc. How exactly is that the beginning of DB? The beginning is Goku,Roshi,Bulma, Yamcha, and Krillin And to your 4 points.

1. Goten had many adventures but not compared to most since he debut late.
2. Goten was in tournaments, fought, and was..born during a time skip.
3. Gotenks dragged the Super Boo fight in the anime.
4. Goten has many illogical moments. Hell DB itself don't follow his own logic.

I never said it wasn't my view, bro.
And when I say beginning I mean since very early, when the series was still at it's "infancy" compared to what it had coming.
And, you don't seem to understand what I'm saying with my 4 points.
I was just splitting Dragon Ball into 4 parts, where each of which had it's different intentions by the creator.
You need to read it better!
Anyway, all I'm trying to say is, accept Goten for what he is.
He isn't to be compared with the main characters, but he also isn't meant to be put aside.
You can love him all you want, he is awesome, but don't become blindly fanatical over this character.
Peace ;)
There is no actual rule anywhere that says Goten or any character isn't "to be compared" to a main character. Granted you can compare apples and oranges, and this is exactly that, comparing apples and oranges. Its not a very fair comparison, but that's subjective. You can put an orange next to an apple and say f*** all apples because this orange is amazing. Doesn't make the apple any less good, you just like oranges. And that's your right.

So Goken can be as blindly fanatical. I'd like to think Goken is actually insightfully fanatical because our discussions about Goten have actually opened me up a bit too. Granted I still don't LIKE Z Goten, but GT Goten has become one of my personal favorites. He's just a relatable character. So yes, Fanatical all you want.
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Jun 28 2015, 06:25 AM
So Goken can be as blindly fanatical. I'd like to think Goken is actually insightfully fanatical because our discussions about Goten have actually opened me up a bit too. Granted I still don't LIKE Z Goten, but GT Goten has become one of my personal favorites. He's just a relatable character. So yes, Fanatical all you want.
Blindly fanatical is screwing every other character, and saying "Goten is THE best, and you are wrong if you believe differently".
And you can compare Goten to other characters from an inside-story view. Like, you can compare Goten's strength, personality etc. with other characters.
But, it's in completely different realms to compare Goten's impact to Dragon Ball as a series to, say, Goku's who basically LEAD the series more than any other character.
I'm still saying, you can love him, and that's great, but you should understand when people may have neutral or ignorant feelings towards this character.
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And when I say beginning I mean since very early, when the series was still at it's "infancy" compared to what it had coming.
And, you don't seem to understand what I'm saying with my 4 points.
I was just splitting Dragon Ball into 4 parts, where each of which had it's different intentions by the creator.
You need to read it better!
Anyway, all I'm trying to say is, accept Goten for what he is.
He isn't to be compared with the main characters, but he also isn't meant to be put aside.
You can love him all you want, he is awesome, but don't become blindly fanatical over this character.
Peace

At it so called infancy. It was breaking records. Far before Vegeta even debut. Hell Dragonball had higher ratings than DBZ in Japan. Dragonball was the beginning. Not DBZ. VERY early would be 21st Tenkaichi Budokai when the series first became popular. So thank Krillin, Goku, and Roshi for that. Clearly my four point response wasn't meant to be serious. Accept Goten for what he is? Goten is an manga character from a series that debut in the 80's and finished in 96. He's the son of Son Goku who's the lead character. I can compare Goten to whom ever I please. You know why? Because it's an opinion. You can compare characters you know. You don't have to judge them based on their power or relevance.

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GT Goten has become one of my personal favorites. He's just a relatable character. So yes, Fanatical all you want.

Gt Goten is so underrated. He's the only thing Gt got right. That's not my fanboy talking either. He like an average adult who's young. He's laid back and focus on his girlfriend (So much better than a ladies man). It pains me when people say he's a womanizer. Apprantly having 1 girlfriend for 64 episodes is being a womanizer. He's a good kid who treat his girl nice. Should be a role model tbh.

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Blindly fanatical is screwing every other character, and saying "Goten is THE best, and you are wrong if you believe differently".

You clearly took that way too seriously. Like way too seriously. I could say you're an idiot if you don't like chicken. Doesn't mean I mean you. I can call you crazy if you said DB isn't fun. Doesn't mean I mean it. Clearly it's a over hyping up Goten.

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And you can compare Goten to other characters from an inside-story view. Like, you can compare Goten's strength, personality etc. with other characters.
But, it's in completely different realms to compare Goten's impact to Dragon Ball as a series to, say, Goku's who basically LEAD the series more than any other character.

I never compared Gotens impact. I said Goten is everything DB is. To go into more detail. Goten is what DB is too me. He's everything about Goku but put into one person AND more (goku lost traits over the arcs). He's the first thing I think when I hear DB....well besides Ssj and KameKAmeha.
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I'm still saying, you can love him, and that's great, but you should understand when people may have neutral or ignorant feelings towards this character.

Don't understand this. You do know I have talked to people about Goten (as Ace mentioned) and with that. Comes people who dislike him. Not everyone going to like him. He to some is the killer of SSJ. But none of that changes my opinions on him. Despite others opinions. Mine stay the same. He's my favorite character. Stick by him until the end.



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I like Goten a lot, he's a great comic relief and he's power and character are just great to me, even if Goten resembles Goku.

Honestly both Trunks and Goten are very likable to me.
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