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| + Pelador | May 21 2015, 03:57 PM Post #1 |
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Toguru from Yu Yu Hakusho runs the DBZ gauntlet. How far can he go? Saiyan Saga Radditz Nappa Vegeta Freeza Saga Cui Vegeta Dodoria Zarbon Monster Zarbon Recoome Jeice Burter Ginyu Freeza first form Freeza second form Freeza third form Freeza fourth form Freeza 50% Freeza 100% Cell Saga Android 19 Android 20 Cyborg 18 Cyborg 17 Inperfect Cell Android 16 Semi Perfect Cell Cell Junior Initial perfect Cell Cell games Perfect Cell warm up 50% Perfect Cell 100% Perfect Cell Super Perfect cell I can't see him getting past First form Freeza but I can imagine him beating Ginyu. |
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| + Solid Snake | May 29 2015, 08:03 PM Post #106 |
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I never said they were fast but I think we all can agree that not all of them are slow. And actually, they are pretty fast (in Dragon Ball's case) cause in the two recent films a lot of their ki attacks travel across from one another extremely fast. Can't say the same for YYH since they don't have a canon film. They don't have crappy resistance to physical attacks, if they did the Vegeta would have been knocked out when Goku bodied him in Kaioken times 3 and sent him crashing into a few plateaus. If anything they have very good resistance to this stuff. The heck air pressure gonna do to those that can move out of harms way in quick bursts? And they use afterimages to fool him, making him waste time trying to hit mirages. |
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| + supersaqer | May 29 2015, 08:41 PM Post #107 |
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You just contradicted yourself. You keep saying that, but you provide no evidence besides Toguro being very fast. How fast is he? Not even remotely close to do anything to Raditz. How do you think that? |
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| Mihawk | May 29 2015, 08:46 PM Post #108 |
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I agree that AoE is not consistent for physical attacks, but that doesn't mean that there's any tangible evidence physical attacks are anywhere near ki attacks. |
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| + Steve | May 29 2015, 08:47 PM Post #109 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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How are they going to see or sense air coming towards them? It's only drawn for visual representation so the audience knows what's happening. Or can you see the wind? Afterimages are pretty useless here considering he only has to flick his thumb at them and he can sense energy anyway which is right about the time almost nobody bothered with them. As for the 120% thing it was Yusuke who went to 120% and it seems like Toguro went 200%. Or at least in this translation it says 100% over 100%. So long as he doesn't go that high and try to tank an attack he shouldn't face any issues, if he receives any damage from going over 100% all he has to do is power down a bit and he's going to heal. If he even needs to go that far by the time he would it'd be around the time opponents would be able to oneshot him anyway.
Where is your evidence for that? Raditz got wrecked by an almighty full nelson, Toguro's physical strength is ridiculous compared to Goku at that point. Edited by Steve, May 29 2015, 08:49 PM.
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| Mihawk | May 29 2015, 08:56 PM Post #110 |
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AoE is the main factor when determining the power of an attack in fiction battles. True we make plot exceptions for ki attacks because planets would get destroyed if every blast wasn't concentrated. But that's only because we actually have statements that say ki attacks can destroy planets and solar systems. There is no such evidence for physical attacks. Ki attacks were intercepted by the physical body, but that doesn't mean there wasn't ki being used to block the attack. Goku having trouble with 40 tons is not an outlier. For the zillionth time, using jumping and pushing feats in DB are not sufficient to determine lifting strength. Nothing outright contradicts 40 tons apart form ridiculous fan speculation. Ki multiplies physical strength. That's all it does. |
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| + Solid Snake | May 29 2015, 11:04 PM Post #111 |
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@ Steve: There's nothing suggesting that they could get taken out by that little attack. A lot of people can sense energy, but even they sometimes lose track of people due to the other person being extremely faster than what they can perceive or sense. @ Fiat: How much natural durability do you assume the people of Dragon Ball to have? And what do you make of statements that be like "Wow, is power and speed are amazing!" along with the shock when certain people tank the physical attacks that were assumed to be powerful enough to damage em? And Frieza and Goku, when he was using Kaioken times 20 to battle Frieza his physical attacks for that little instant were crippling him before Goku fired that Kamehameha, which Frieza managed to stop with a single hand. We all know that Kaioken increases everything about oneself due to it forcing you to go pass your physical and regular ki reserves limits (includes: Power, Speed, Durability and Destructive Force). Now are there multiple terms for "power" in this case? |
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| Dankness Lava | May 30 2015, 01:30 AM Post #112 |
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Reading all that, my case still stands. He shouldn't be better in any category than Raditz. |
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| + Pelador | May 30 2015, 01:40 AM Post #113 |
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Radditz or Nappa is fine. Any higher than them is doubtful. |
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| + Solid Snake | May 30 2015, 01:45 AM Post #114 |
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That's still too high, this dude lost to a mountain busting attack and has "speed faster than super human senses" the same thing can be applied to Krillin vs Roshi. |
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| + Pelador | May 30 2015, 01:50 AM Post #115 |
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Not really because the other competitors could still follow the fight. Unlike the fight with Togoro where even his opponent struggled with his speed. And one flying head butt from a five year old was enough to wind and stagger Radditz. With his armour still on. Hardly standing up to a mountain busting attack was it. |
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| Dankness Lava | May 30 2015, 01:55 AM Post #116 |
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Can't underestimate even pre-training Gohan though. I think he might do the same or worse to anyone in yyh, even sensui. But if you're not then never mind. |
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| + Solid Snake | May 30 2015, 02:00 AM Post #117 |
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I don't think that really changes anything, Krillin and up during 21st, and up can likely fight at that same pace in under a second. That a stated speed feat in terms of combat. Does Toguru has a stated feat like that? Or is he just fast? Saiyan hybrid that has a s*** load of power when angered. He's not some random 4 year old. |
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| DSTREET45 | May 30 2015, 02:22 AM Post #118 |
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IIRC only Goku could follow them. When Goku tried to move at a similar speed Nam had to rely on his hearing in order to dodge Goku. And from that point onward everyone had been getting faster. |
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| TheACE | May 30 2015, 02:42 AM Post #119 |
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Even then the senses are all relative. King Kai couldn't follow the Goku vs Frieza fight on Namek, but Krillin and the gang were able to watch Goku vs Cell just fine. It all scales differently. Deceive you, your eyes can, Padawan Pelador. |
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| Mihawk | May 30 2015, 06:40 PM Post #120 |
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Well two things. Just because Togorou or whatever is too fast to be seen by the characters in the series doesn't mean the DB characters can't see them. It's all relative to the series itself. Whatever too fast to the eye means is all relative to who we're talking about. In DB it usually means close PLs can see each other in battle. Without any actual speedfeat from YYH everything is just a moot point. Also just because Togorou can lift more than Goku doesn't mean he can strike harder than him. Each author has a different way of showcasing strength levels. In some series it's entirely possible that a character can lift only 10 pounds be their punches can destroy the planet. @Solid Snake: I'm not sure what you mean? Kaioken multiplies your ki which in turn multiplies your speed, physical strength, etc. |
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