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| + Pelador | May 21 2015, 03:57 PM Post #1 |
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Toguru from Yu Yu Hakusho runs the DBZ gauntlet. How far can he go? Saiyan Saga Radditz Nappa Vegeta Freeza Saga Cui Vegeta Dodoria Zarbon Monster Zarbon Recoome Jeice Burter Ginyu Freeza first form Freeza second form Freeza third form Freeza fourth form Freeza 50% Freeza 100% Cell Saga Android 19 Android 20 Cyborg 18 Cyborg 17 Inperfect Cell Android 16 Semi Perfect Cell Cell Junior Initial perfect Cell Cell games Perfect Cell warm up 50% Perfect Cell 100% Perfect Cell Super Perfect cell I can't see him getting past First form Freeza but I can imagine him beating Ginyu. |
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| + Steve | May 28 2015, 10:53 AM Post #61 |
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Considering DBZ characters are easily damaged by physical attacks and Toguro showed way greater physical strength than anyone until at least Frieza arc, yeah he does. At 30% he lifts the whole spare arena for the Dark Tournament casually. At 75% he can flick air with such strength he can headshot demons and damage Yusuke. If he can do that with just air pressure imagine what he does with a punch to someone in DBZ with their piss weak durability when it comes to non energy based attacks? Let go of the whole busting thing, kind of irrelevant since attacks in basically every series other than DBZ don't function the same way as attacks in DBZ just because an attack doesn't blow up a moon doesn't mean it can't possibly be powerful, there are more types of attack than just "blows up stuff" Said it many times already but here's a fairly simple idea to put away "busting" being some almighty power scale. Vegito fires a planet busting blast at a block of Katchin, block of Katchin tanks it. Vegito fires a Death Beam at the block of Katchin, goes right through it. Which is more powerful? The attack that can blow up a planet or the piercing attack that can go through something way tougher than a mere planet? The answer is quite obvious. How much area an attack blows up does not define how powerful it is...not sure how that's hard to get. |
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| + supersaqer | May 28 2015, 11:14 AM Post #62 |
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DBZ characters aren't easily damaged by physical attacks. It's basically the same thing as with energy attacks. Toguro showed way greater strength than anyone until Frieza arc? Saiyan Saga Goku (KKx2) destroyed multiple plateaus by just jumping. Toguro showed nothing even remotely close to this. Piss weak durability? Why do you hate DB this much ? They would outright tank his punches with absolutely zero effort.Okay. Let go of the whole energy attacks doesn't equal physical attacks. It have been proven MANY times in the series that they're the same. Also on all of the forums I know, they tend to use destructive capacity the MOST. It's relevant. This is the only forum that uses DC for any other verse (IE Vegetto vs Galactus and Pyron) except for DB where it's irrelevant... The answer is quite obvious. The second one. Also mere planet busting attacks have been irrelevant since the Frieza saga. Yes, it define how powerful it is. It's basic physics... |
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| + Pelador | May 28 2015, 01:56 PM Post #63 |
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Please don't try to apply real world physics to Japanese cartoons where characters can fly and shoot ki blasts from their fingers. |
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| + Solid Snake | May 28 2015, 02:11 PM Post #64 |
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You're forgetting one important equation in this regarding energy based attacks, if the Death Beam can go through Katchin, then it just means its concentration is more focused compare to a generic ki blast (your fault since you didn't specify). A Kamehameha would probably be able to dent or partially destroy it if has more focused and high enough ki poured into (especially since you used Vegito of all people). They aren't weak to physical attacks at all really it's just that the destruction they cause are inconsecutive throughout the manga (Goku kicking Frieza through island while warming up but nothing of that calibur being done afterwards). They attack very hard otherwise they wouldn't be able to form craters or force the person they hit to break apart hills and mountains or even buildings. Ok? Toguru can lift an area, we have no idea how heavy that is so it's not impressive outside of that particular series. If you wanna go that route though, Goku lifted and threw/ and flipped gigantic Piccolo who is nearly as wide as the arena they were on. We stalemate here on physical strength unless you can bring in a statement indicating that it weighted x amount. Toguru still hasn't found a means to get past Roshi yet either. |
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| + Steve | May 28 2015, 04:42 PM Post #65 |
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Yeah but it doesn't "bust" anything so by standards here it must be weak. Why can DBZ attacks be concentrated but attacks in other series can't? Maybe people in other series aren't so irresponsible and stupid that they'd risk blowing the planet they live on up. This is where that all falls apart people act like concentrated energy is only possible in DBZ when it's so obviously not. They are weak to physical attacks in comparison to energy blasts they get hurt by punches that do tiny area damage and casually slap away so called planet busters. Doesn't make any sense but that's just how we can clearly observe it works, for whatever reason. I mean come on Goku kills King Piccolo using Kamehameha to go through him instead of just blasting him with Kamehameha, because he'd just tank it or slap it away like it's nothing. Like I said, doesn't make any sense but that's clearly how it works hence why most of the time spent fighting isn't shooting blasts because they're almost useless unless they go all out and find the charge time. There are quite a few calculations on how heavy it is I don't have the site I'm on a new PC since I looked though so not in my history. Generally assumed to be around 100 tons or more if it's made from granite I believe. There are others based on different materials used. Need I remind people that's Toguro at what he calls 30% from a scaling which is obviously not a linear boost given how much his strength gets amped up. Also his lack of feats hardly makes him weak his one big fight is in an arena where his movement is restricted, rules went off the table after a while but he fought legit. |
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| + Solid Snake | May 28 2015, 06:33 PM Post #66 |
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The Death Beam isn't weak though. If it were weak then it wouldn't be dangerous to the people it's fired at. I never said the other series attacks don't be concentrated, just pointing out that the Death Beam is more deadly than a generic ki blast and even a few charged ki blast that explode. They're not weak to physical attacks, if they were then their physical attacks would be mutant level at best (instead however they pack enough force in their punches that send people through mountains and islands easily). Toguru probably lifts a lot but if it's not stated then we can't just automatically he lifts more than Goku. Calculations are banned so there's no need for it. Unless you wanna equalize it to Goku @Piccolo? Goku legs and had a single arm left, Goku at this point isn't good at ki control yet. So yeah... Didn't say Toguru was weak either, I just said if he lost to a mountain buster (with regeneration) he's toast against Master Roshi, never mind King Piccolo. Edited by Solid Snake, May 28 2015, 06:36 PM.
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| + Pelador | May 28 2015, 06:41 PM Post #67 |
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Master Roshi would have to hit him with it first. You can get an idea of how lightening fast Togoro moves when he dodges Genkai's attack at close range. She was aiming for his heart but he dodged at the very last second and she only blasted a hole in his arm. She was at full power and he was at about 70% I think. |
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| + Solid Snake | May 28 2015, 07:25 PM Post #68 |
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What attack did Genkai use? |
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| + Pelador | May 28 2015, 07:27 PM Post #69 |
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I think it was the Rei gun like Yusuke always uses. |
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| + Solid Snake | May 28 2015, 07:29 PM Post #70 |
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Do we have an indication how fast they travel or do the speed differs between the two? |
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| Mihawk | May 28 2015, 07:33 PM Post #71 |
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They're not "weak" to relative attacks per se, but weaker relative to ki attacks. They have higher resistance to ki attacks and weaker resistance to physical attacks. That's why the strongest physical attack maxed out to a crater and the strongest ki attack maxed out to the solar system. It's mainly a plot weakness/resistance thing to keep things interesting, similar to ki concentration. Without ki concentration and weakness to physical attacks the battles wouldn't make much sense. |
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| + Solid Snake | May 28 2015, 07:52 PM Post #72 |
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I know, just saying they're not weak to physical attacks overall it is based on martial arts (at least in the beginning half if DB but it has to carried over as well) so physical contact is just as important as ki attacks. Also I just want this cleared up cause I watch Gotenks vs Super Buu fight and saw that Gotenks slapped the orb thing instead of punching. Is this right? And if yes, does this means Gotenks could have potentially did far more collateral damage? |
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| + Pelador | May 28 2015, 07:52 PM Post #73 |
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We know that running speed by this point is faster than a speeding petrol tanker. At least 60mph. How you compare that with fighting speed is a more difficult matter. After all, just because you can outrun a cheetah, doesn't mean you can fight at the same speed. I get that. I think that since they are fighting in fast bursts beyond what even strong demons can follow, they must be early dbz levels. |
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| Mihawk | May 28 2015, 08:05 PM Post #74 |
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Yeah but the reason it's just as important as ki attacks is because they're weaker to it. Or else the physical attacks would do the same amount of damage, or at the very least be hinted towards it. I imagine Gotenks would be capable of more than that, but it's still the strongest physical attack we've seen up to that point. |
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| + supersaqer | May 28 2015, 08:42 PM Post #75 |
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Well, you can explain it easily without worrying about headaches. The AoE of the punches are small. Doesn't affect much area. Ki blasts were stopped with physical strength. They have the same resistance to both ki and physical attacks. Gotenks crater formed after Super Boo took the force of the attack. So after Boo absorbed the power of the attack, it was still powerful enough to make that crater. |
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