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Can Vegeta finally brag?
Topic Started: Apr 28 2015, 10:59 PM (1,633 Views)
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lazerbem
Apr 29 2015, 01:42 AM
He can sense ki in reference to Freeza and Cell. With 18, he ignored all of Trunks's warnings and strode right up to her
That's just Trunks' warnings. They mean little to him and Cell was toying with him.

With Freeza... I dunno. He just delusional on the idea that he's become an SSJ.
Edited by DBZAOTA482, Apr 29 2015, 12:27 PM.
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No, Vegeta wants to surpass Goku, that's his primary goal but his true desire is to become the strongest fighter in the whole universe. Beerus and Whis are still superior to him and he is determined to surpass them all, until he does he won't truly rest. Although if it wasn't for that desire for his he could already brag enough for his victories like Dark Matter-Sama said.
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Apr 28 2015, 11:29 PM
From the summary alone there's indications that Vegeta is weaker than Goku. When Freeza transforms to his golden form Vegeta nervously declines the chance to fight, while Freeza fights Goku equally.
I've already pointed out that the summary is misleading.

Vegeta does not decline to fight for the reasons you think he does.

Goku does not fight Frieza equally in that form. Frieza was woopin' his a***.

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It's really not. I mean Whis says Vegeta's always one step behind Goku. I think they're equals as far as battle power goes, but Goku's the superior fighter.


I recall reading that the SSJG transformation's power is dependent on the user. Technically, Vegeta >> Goku in BOG pre-God. It is not just his movements being held back, it is his true potential, in my opinion.
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Yeah, Golden Frieza>Goku/Vegeta. They only start beating him once his ki starts decreasing like on Namek.
As for this thread, yes, Vegeta could casually beat anyone from the original series now, just like Goku, Frieza, Beerus, and Whis can.
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But still being a god and not be able to breath in space i really don't like, because now every battle will end up in blowing up the planet and continue the fight in space... my opinion
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Clearin
Apr 29 2015, 12:03 AM
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Apr 29 2015, 12:02 AM
Clearin
Apr 28 2015, 11:58 PM
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Apr 28 2015, 11:32 PM
Clearin
Apr 28 2015, 11:29 PM
From the summary alone there's indications that Vegeta is weaker than Goku. When Freeza transforms to his golden form Vegeta nervously declines the chance to fight, while Freeza fights Goku equally.
Why would Vegeta decline to fight? He's never done that before except if you counted the Cell Games, and that's because he was still confident in winning after Goku fought.
Vegeta's never really picked a fight with someone stronger than him, unless he had to. He did try to run away from the Ginyu Force, and tried to stall fighting Beerus for as long as possible.
He picked a fight with 18 just for the sake of it. He also tried to take Perfect Cell and Freeza on his own, not even asking for some backup
I should have said somebody he knew was stronger than him.
Buuhan and Kid Buu when he kept getting his a*** kicked and kept getting up so Goku could charge up to SSJ3.

Also you could say the same thing about Goku, he stalled fighting Fat Buu for as long as possible, he didn't wanna face Buuhan without fusing first (unlike Vegeta) and he gave up fighting Cell because he knew Cell and Gohan were stronger than him.
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This whole Vegeta thing has been changed many times. First he was stronger than Goku, then Goku overtook him, then Vegeta came back on top while becoming a Super Saiyan again. Then Goku left Vegeta in the dust after the RoSaT training period, and in the Buu saga, even though Vegeta was made Goku's equal again, he said in the manga that Goku was the best. Also, it took a powerup from Babidi to put Vegeta back in Goku's realm, so by that point Toriyama was probably still considering Goku more naturally talented and acting upon this assumption. But it would seem he had a change of heart towards the end of the manga.

Of course the GT writers couldn't pass their chance and based their entire portrayal of Vegeta upon it, making him a pitiful, weak lapdog of Goku, complete with subservience and all. Ugh. But GT of course doesn't count :3

Back to the canon stuff - Vegeta was actually implied to be potentially stronger than Goku while in anger, but the general premise still stands, just like it was factually in the manga. Goku and Vegeta are equals and worthy rivals as of now.
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