Who's stronger? Cyborg Tao or Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai)?

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Who's stronger? Cyborg Tao or Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai)?
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DBZAOTA482	Apr 28 2015, 01:39 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,798 Group: Member Member #5,093 Joined: August 2, 2010 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z, One Piece, Akira, School Rumble, Detective Conan. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome, Internet Explorer.	For a long time, I believed Cyborg Tao was stronger by a good margin for mainly for WSJ's BP for Cyborg Tao being 210 and Chi-Chi's being 130. However, re-reading the 23rd Budokai I'm seriously started to doubt it. I generally believed Chi-Chi was stronger than Human Tao since she capable of things Tao in his human form didn't seem to be capable of (like clashing in the air) but weaker than Cybernetic upgrade mainly for aforementioned but also due to reputation. The one thing that has I starting to think different is how easily Tenshinhan handled Tao compared to how Goku handled Chi-Chi. Ten doesn't seem to have any issues whatsoever avoiding Tao's attacks (outside his weapons)... he doesn't even move from one spot even though Tao's trying his absolute hardest to hit him and Tao only seemed to have lasted cuz Ten didn't wanna humiliate him, but judging from how frantically Goku avoids Chi-Chi's attacks while trying to figure her out (even having to jump over 600ft in the air... which she easily matches) seems to imply he would actually have to put up an effort to avoid them if he went in with the intent of fighting like Ten. I know Goku was at a very suppressed level 'till his fight with Ten but the dialogue him and Ten share before and during they fight suggests Ten was largely holding back against Tao as well (even with speed). There's also the nature of their defeats. Both were taken out fairly easily but still sparked quite a reaction from the others. Tao was defeated with one blow to the stomach while Chi-Chi was defeated by ring-out with a Kiai. Kuririn and Yamcha were afraid of fighting Ten after his handy work with Tao while Chi-Chi's defeat with Kiai shocked Kuririn, Yamcha, and Muten Roshi from it's pure power (Roshi even had a hard time trying to comprehend what just happened) as well as surprising Piccolo from knowing the technique since it's something his clan uses. Ten hit bullseye with Tao while Goku admits that he hit Chi-Chi harder than he meant to. Chi-Chi also fared better against the move Goku defeated her with as she got up just fine with hardly a hair out of place while Tao was KO'd. I feel it now adds some ambiguity to the established chain between them: Goku > Piccolo > Kami (Shen) ~ Tenshinhan > Kuririn ~ Yamcha > Cyborg Tao > Chi-Chi > Yajirobe > Chaozu > Chapa-o \| \| v Goku > Piccolo > Kami (Shen) ~ Tenshinhan > Kuririn ~ Yamcha > Cyborg Tao >=< Chi-Chi > Yajirobe > Chaozu > Chapa-o



+ Emmeth	Apr 28 2015, 01:43 PM Post #2
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	In all honesty it doesn't really matter who's stronger. Chi-Chi couldn't follow Goku and Tenshinhan's movements when they fought and Tao couldn't follow Ten's movements when they fought. I think they could be equally strong, but with Tao having the obvious advantage when it comes to ki usage.
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~~Professor Gohan~~	May 1 2015, 11:37 AM Post #3
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Why doesn't it matter, Emmy? I always interpreted Tao being stronger. I saw Chichi as more part of the story development. Although I do believe she was strong af.



Fearless Saiyajin	May 1 2015, 06:35 PM Post #4
Legendary of Super Saiyan Posts: 1,484 Group: Member Member #11,648 Joined: September 3, 2014 Gender Male Country India Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT and Ranma 1/2 What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonballZ and Ranma 1/2	Chi Chi is strong as Roshi so I think she lose.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 1 2015, 06:37 PM Post #5
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Goku blew Chi-chi away rather easily with a Kiai so I don't have a problem with where V-Jump places both Cyborg Tao and Chi-chi. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, May 1 2015, 07:44 PM.
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~~StrawHatCrew~~	May 1 2015, 10:36 PM Post #6
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	Chi-Chi would slap Tao.



+ Clearin	May 1 2015, 10:51 PM Post #7
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Goku didn't use a Kiai, he just punched the air and the force knocked Chi Chi out of the ring. Heck Goku even overestimated how much she could take. Goku didn't have any trouble dodging Chi Chi's attacks, he was just acting like Goku because of Chi Chi's comments. You need to look at context. Tien vs Tao is played in a very serious manner. It's supposed to show how Tien has surpassed one of his old masters. Goku vs Chi Chi was basically a gag fight that Toriyama threw in intended to make sure the readers knew even as an adult Goku is still the loveable goof we've come to know and love. It wouldn't have the same effect if Goku just stood there blocking all of Chi Chi's attacks with complete calmness and ease.



DBZAOTA482	May 1 2015, 11:02 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,798 Group: Member Member #5,093 Joined: August 2, 2010 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z, One Piece, Akira, School Rumble, Detective Conan. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome, Internet Explorer.	^Except Piccolo explicitly stated it's one of the techniques his people use and Roshi indirectly explained it as a shockwave that he did by pumping up his fist with "stupendous force". ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 1 2015, 06:37 PM Goku blew Chi-chi away rather easily with a Kiai so I don't have a problem with where V-Jump places both Cyborg Tao and Chi-chi. Tao was taken out rather easily himself with a punch to the gut by Tenshinhan only he was KO'd whereas Chi-Chi was still conscious. Both defeats got quite a reaction though. Oh and it's the Weekly Shonen Jump. V-Jump one is fake. Edited by DBZAOTA482, May 1 2015, 11:09 PM.



+ Emmeth	May 1 2015, 11:38 PM Post #9
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Professor Gohan May 1 2015, 11:37 AM Why doesn't it matter, Emmy? Because they aren't important in the long run anyway, and so little were known about their feats at the time. I always hold Tao a bit higher because of years and years of experience and him being a renowned hitman.
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+ Clearin	May 1 2015, 11:56 PM Post #10
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	DBZAOTA482 May 1 2015, 11:02 PM ^Except Piccolo explicitly stated it's one of the techniques his people use and Roshi indirectly explained it as a shockwave that he did by pumping up his fist with "stupendous force". Would Roshi seriously call a Kiai a "shockwave-like thing"? Especially when the word Kiai was used in the fight just before that.



+ Emmeth	May 2 2015, 12:00 AM Post #11
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Clearin May 1 2015, 11:56 PM DBZAOTA482 May 1 2015, 11:02 PM ^Except Piccolo explicitly stated it's one of the techniques his people use and Roshi indirectly explained it as a shockwave that he did by pumping up his fist with "stupendous force". Would Roshi seriously call a Kiai a "shockwave-like thing"? Especially when the word Kiai was used in the fight just before that. He did though. Chapter: 171, P10.4 Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything Kame-sennin: “He didn’t do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”
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+ Clearin	May 2 2015, 12:05 AM Post #12
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Emmeth May 2 2015, 12:00 AM Clearin May 1 2015, 11:56 PM DBZAOTA482 May 1 2015, 11:02 PM ^Except Piccolo explicitly stated it's one of the techniques his people use and Roshi indirectly explained it as a shockwave that he did by pumping up his fist with "stupendous force". Would Roshi seriously call a Kiai a "shockwave-like thing"? Especially when the word Kiai was used in the fight just before that. He did though. Chapter: 171, P10.4 Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything Kame-sennin: “He didn’t do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…” I think you missed my point. I wasn't saying that Roshi didn't call what Goku did a "shockwave-like thing", I'm saying it wasn't a kiai because Roshi would never refer to one as that. Plus the fact no kiai has ever been activated like that at all. It usually requires no movement other than screaming (which Goku doesn't even do), or at most stretching out your hand. Not to mention if Piccolo really did say the technique was similar to his own: a) A kiai is not a technique unique to Piccolo/Kami/Namekians. It's something everybody can do. b) Why wouldn't he have said this when Tien used the kiai like 1 chapter ago? Edited by Clearin, May 2 2015, 12:06 AM.



+ Emmeth	May 2 2015, 12:14 AM Post #13
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Clearin May 2 2015, 12:05 AM Emmeth May 2 2015, 12:00 AM Clearin May 1 2015, 11:56 PM DBZAOTA482 May 1 2015, 11:02 PM ^Except Piccolo explicitly stated it's one of the techniques his people use and Roshi indirectly explained it as a shockwave that he did by pumping up his fist with "stupendous force". Would Roshi seriously call a Kiai a "shockwave-like thing"? Especially when the word Kiai was used in the fight just before that. He did though. Chapter: 171, P10.4 Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything Kame-sennin: “He didn’t do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…” I think you missed my point. I wasn't saying that Roshi didn't call what Goku did a "shockwave-like thing", I'm saying it wasn't a kiai because Roshi would never refer to one as that. Plus the fact no kiai has ever been activated like that at all. It usually requires no movement other than screaming (which Goku doesn't even do), or at most stretching out your hand. Not to mention if Piccolo really did say the technique was similar to his own: a) A kiai is not a technique unique to Piccolo/Kami/Namekians. It's something everybody can do. b) Why wouldn't he have said this when Tien used the kiai like 1 chapter ago? Then we 100% agree.
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DBZAOTA482	May 2 2015, 12:50 AM Post #14
Posts: 1,798 Group: Member Member #5,093 Joined: August 2, 2010 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z, One Piece, Akira, School Rumble, Detective Conan. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome, Internet Explorer.	Clearin May 1 2015, 11:56 PM DBZAOTA482 May 1 2015, 11:02 PM ^Except Piccolo explicitly stated it's one of the techniques his people use and Roshi indirectly explained it as a shockwave that he did by pumping up his fist with "stupendous force". Would Roshi seriously call a Kiai a "shockwave-like thing"? Especially when the word Kiai was used in the fight just before that. Well... it's a form of Kiai... which is basically like a shockwave, only the one Goku used is to knock opponents away (he also does the same move to Piccolo) whereas the one Ten uses was to dispel weaker attacks. Either way, Roshi had a hard time trying to comprehend what just happened (possibly Yamcha and Kuririn did too) and it wasn't as simple as just punching the air given Piccolo mentioned it as being one of his clan's technique. Edited by DBZAOTA482, May 2 2015, 12:59 AM.



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