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Freddie Gray + Baltimore(MD) Rioting
Topic Started: Apr 27 2015, 08:46 PM (6,035 Views)
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My Dear Melancholy,

Freddie was getting arrested. He didn't refuse arrest (video of his arrest was shown so there's your proof) and suddenly for some reason he received spine injuries and neck(?) Injuries that led to his death as Police refused to treat him.

Also Baltimore is not bias towards police as police as actually usually shown in good light here. Rarely is police brutality is on the news unless it's out of state. So it's no "of course" if it almost never happen in Maryland. We mostly blame the ones being arrested.



The reasoning is possibly rough driving by the police. Police usually drive rough with arrest people

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difficult to understand why officers arrested Gray in the first place. But with protesters taking to the streets of Baltimore since Gray's death on Sunday, the incident falls into a line of highly publicized, fatal encounters between black men and the police. Meanwhile, on Tuesday, a reserve sheriff's deputy in Tulsa, Oklahoma, pleaded not guilty to a second-degree manslaughter charge in the death of a man he shot. The deputy says the shooting happened while he was trying to tase the man. Black men dying at the hands of the police is of course nothing new, but the nation is now paying attention and getting outraged.

Authorities can't say if there was a particularly good reason why police arrested Gray. According to the city, an officer made eye contact with Gray, and he took off running, so they pursued him. Though he'd had scrapes with the law before, there's no indication he was wanted at the time. And though he was found with a switchblade, Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said, “We know that having a knife is not necessarily a crime.”


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his leg seems injured as officers drag him to a police van. (Someone off camera shouts, "His leg broke and y'all dragging him like that!") Gray also had asthma and requested his inhaler, but didn't get it. Yet it's not the leg or the asthma that killed him. Instead, it was a grave injury to his spinal cord. Gray's family said he was treated for three fractured vertebrae and a crushed voice box, the sorts of injuries that doctors say are usually caused by serious car accidents. The van made at least two stops before reaching the police station, but there's no footage to say what happened during the journey or at those stops.

It's a baffling conundrum. "None of the officers describe any use of force," Deputy Police Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez said. "None of the officers describe using any force against Mr. Gray." And yet somehow Gray was fatally hurt while in police custody.


We don't even know why he was arrested.
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I'm going to say it and hey, it's just an opinion. Loads of unvalidated opinions being thrown out here so I'll join in.

Anyone who would sooner assume that the media are more to blame than the police and the justice system is a scumbag and probably a racist, unconsciously or otherwise.
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ahhhhh, reminds me of the london riots. good times, good times.
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Sousen Ichimonji
Apr 29 2015, 02:25 PM
I'm going to say it and hey, it's just an opinion. Loads of unvalidated opinions being thrown out here so I'll join in.

Anyone who would sooner assume that the media are more to blame than the police and the justice system is a scumbag and probably a racist, unconsciously or otherwise.
I wouldn't go as far as to say the media are the biggest factor in all this, but they definitely play a part. They build up stories with buzz words, and focus on issues they know will get them hits, sales, whatever, regardless of whether that focus is helping the situation. Case in point: there's more coverage about the violent protests than there is about peaceful protests and people helping out. Outside of a few mentions on the news, the only place I've seen positive coverage (obviously this is not a positive story, but I mean positive as in people doing good) is on sites like Imgur, where they highlight people cleaning up the damage caused by the riots, or protecting the police, and that is not really media coverage, it's people posting things independently.

I do agree that the biggest factor is definitely the attitudes of the police and the justice system, but it is definitely not the sole issue here, and bringing up other contributing factors does not mean you are a scumbag or a racist.
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Apr 29 2015, 07:03 PM
I do agree that the biggest factor is definitely the attitudes of the police and the justice system, but it is definitely not the sole issue here, and bringing up other contributing factors does not mean you are a scumbag or a racist.
I never said "bringing up other contributing factors" made you a scumbag and/or a racist. I would never try to put it in such simplistic terms, of course there are other factors. I specifically said that assuming the media are more to blame than the police and the justice system makes you a scumbag and a racist.
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I guess what I meant to say (which I didn't, so that's my bad) is that I think the fact that there are so many different factors at play here means that believing one to be more important than the other does not deserve the label of 'scumbag' or 'racist'. You would call someone who said that black people bring it on themselves, that this is all justified, a scumbag and a racist, and I would not put them in the same category.
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Gray had a criminal record, mainly for drug-related offenses, but also including destruction of property and second-degree assault. Gray has been involved in 20 criminal court cases—five of which were still active as of his death


Maybe they thought he was just faking it? Apparently he had spinal surgery not long before his death, not really any way they could know that.


And Sousen the media is a huge part of why people are so upset it's not just over what happened it's because for a long time now tensions over alleged police brutality have increased due to how cops are portrayed in the news and on the internet, for people in Baltimore this was obviously the last straw.

Do you really think it would be this bad if "cops are evil murdering bastards" wasn't plastered all over the internet for months beforehand? Most people are blind enough to just assume these stories apply to all cops not the minority that definitely do s***ty things.
It's not the medias fault this happened but you can't say they don't make matters worse. They offer a one sided story and it's almost always negative.


Anyway, clearly Freddie was no saint, that doesn't justify him dying in custody but it's fair to assume at least some of the cops there might have had to deal with him before and figured it was an act.
A lot of people do that kind of thing especially repeat offenders, it's pretty easy to make your legs hang limp and it makes it incredibly difficult to cart someone that uncooperative away.
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What I will suggest is that you consider that maybe the media are picking up more and more on a situation that needs to change. The angle that you present is that of dismissal: victim blaming and ally shaming. Maybe a lot of reporters do just want a story that sells. But that doesn't mean it's not a story worth telling. I've yet to see any real evidence of that idea going through your head, and that's properly worrying to me.
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They're acting like apes. Freddie Gray was a scumbag look at his f***ing record. These people are just looking for a reason break stuff

The guys family asked for peace. Then these f***tards go and destroy the city risking injuring and killing people
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My Dear Melancholy,

Baltimore actually portrays police in positive light. The reason for the riot was unnecessary high schoolers being rebels. There was 3 peaceful protest the same day. The next day here in Baltimore it was 98% peaceful. People defended the police as Baltimore usually does.

Steve Baltimore does NOT believe in constant police brutality. So I'll appreciate if you didn't use the excuse for this issue since we're actually a PRO police state. The riot had nothing to do with the police or Freddie Gray.


Also Freddie Gray reason for arrest is unknown at the moment. We just know that he died and he didn't resistance arrest. Police refused to treat him medical attention even his Asthma attack. Police knew he had Asthma. The police was wrong in this situation.
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Freddie Gray was a scumbag look at his f***ing record.


And this means he deserved to die?
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Apr 29 2015, 08:01 PM
What I will suggest is that you consider that maybe the media are picking up more and more on a situation that needs to change. The angle that you present is that of dismissal: victim blaming and ally shaming. Maybe a lot of reporters do just want a story that sells. But that doesn't mean it's not a story worth telling. I've yet to see any real evidence of that idea going through your head, and that's properly worrying to me.
Except that a lot of the time they don't know what the f*** they're talking about.

Just because you're pointing a camera at something doesn't mean you know what's happening, it's a one sided argument. They make no effort to figure out that they might be wrong because controversial details even if false get more attention.

What's wrong with wanting the full story rather than just going by what people who were standing across the street could see and assume they understood exactly what was going on? There's no way they can, they can't see if a restrained suspect pulled a knife out of his pocket and tried to stab a cop and because they can't see that how likely is it they or anyone else is going to believe that happened?

People don't take everything in to account they just assume all the information they're presented with, by people who weren't even there, as absolute fact. It's stupid.

Of course police do s***ty things, you'll never find an occupation where people don't f*** up occasionally. Can it really be expected every police officer in existence does their job perfectly? Can it really be expected that everyone in any job does it all perfectly?
No.

It is a problem when cops in these stories do s***ty things, yes and given that there are so many cops and people in America, incidents can happen pretty much daily. These things should be investigated and sorted out, there's no way to prevent people making mistakes.
It's only the small fraction of s*** cops you see on the news. It's made out like the whole force is corrupt and evil and that's just not true.
Just because a 1% of cops failing at their jobs are the only things reported doesn't mean the 99% that do their job properly suddenly don't exist.

The angle I present is that none of us looking at videos, the news or the internet know the full story so it's stupid to act on it.

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Steve Baltimore does NOT believe in constant police brutality. So I'll appreciate if you didn't use the excuse for this issue since we're actually a PRO police state. The riot had nothing to do with the police or Freddie Gray.


But Baltimore does have the internet doesn't it? Doesn't matter how pro police your state is, not everyone is going to get their information from positive sources.
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Freddie Gray was a scumbag look at his f***ing record.


And this means he deserved to die?
No. I'm just saying. That part wasn't really necessary for me to say. My bad. However we don't know the whole story yet do we?

And yeah I agree with Queen actually. I don't think its an issue with the police or Freddie. It's the people that need to stop reacting like this
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But Baltimore does have the internet doesn't it? Doesn't matter how pro police your state is, not everyone is going to get their information from positive sources.

Yes and the internet has pro police internet. And I live in Baltimore so I know much more about the city than some dude on the internet who thinks the riot was due to the police. The people who lived in Baltimore was 100% pissed off at how the riot went and found it disrespectful to the community and the police. That's why the next day there was thousands of people PROTECTING the police. The riot was not about Freddie or Polic . Just bad taste highschool kids that destroyed the city.

So Steve honestly. You're wrong here. Freddie Case was public media was about the mystery around his death and why the police refuse to give him medical attention.

Take it from someone who grew up in Baltimore. My word is much more valid than yours. Trust.

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However we don't know the whole story yet do we?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/the-mysterious-death-of-freddie-gray/391119/
http://clashdaily.com/2015/04/freddy-grays-arrest-record-heres-the-rap-sheet-of-the-dude-theyre-destroying-baltimore-over/
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A simpler explanation for everything you're saying Steve is that you don't live in the country that this is happening in, you're not seeing the actual local (and often national) media that, as QTD is highlighting above, is pro-police, you're only seeing one side of the story because only one side of the story is being picked up on by the internet sources you're reading and you're interpreting that as a sign of blatant nonstop bias and not just that you're in absolutely no position to act lik you know what you're talking about when you discuss the regional and, hell, even for the most part the national media?
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