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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 27 2015, 08:46 PM (6,037 Views) | |
| * Mitas | Apr 28 2015, 02:01 PM Post #46 |
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Wouldn't it make more sense to look at the ethnic percentage break-down of people who have been arrested in comparison to those deaths quoted? Then you would have the percentage of black/white/hispanic etc arrests that end in death. Looking at the whole population isn't really relevant, because there would be many people (of all races) who have never been involved with the police, so them not being killed by the police is a given. This whole thing is tough to discuss (especially for me, seeing as I'm neither black nor American). There are a few similarities to the London riots i.e. young people committing violent and riotous acts under the guise of 'protesting', but there is also a genuine grievance here. My views on this have changed since the last riots discussed here after becoming a little more learned in the experiences of black people when it comes to the police in America. I don't believe it's as straight-forward as 'white police officers hate black people', there are many contributing factors to why black people are targeted, but there is definitely some form of discrimination here, and anyone who says otherwise is just ignorant of that fact. This needs to change (how that can happen, I have no idea), but this is not the way to do it. This is only giving the police MORE reason to target black people, and giving racists more ammunition to spread hate. I agree that peaceful protests do not have as much 'impact' as violent ones, but what is that 'impact' worth if it is mostly negative? There are more productive ways to make your voice heard, especially in the era of social media. |
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| + Steve | Apr 28 2015, 02:30 PM Post #47 |
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But in America thanks to gun control they never know what to expect pretty much anyone they have to look in to might have a gun it's pretty fair that they'd be on edge they never know what they're going in to. Whereas here in the UK almost nobody has guns so they only really need to worry about knives, for which they have stab proof vests and combat training anyway. In America anyone can whip out a gun and kill them. To be fair a lot of cops shoot when they definitely shouldn't but why does being a cop mean they can't make mistakes? I'm not sure why people don't realize the racial discrimination is somewhat justified most of the time. Ethnic minorities are forced in to crappy neighbourhoods with gangs and whatnot it's only minorities from areas like that which are looked down on, it just so happens not a lot of white people come from them. Those areas breed crime regardless of race. If you had to go in to a neighbourhood like that virtually every day because of disturbances, violence, gun crime, murder etc etc, wouldn't you be on edge going in there? Most cops patrol the same areas so they get to know these people and which ones are trouble. It's the lower class people that are getting shot or injured mostly not any and all ethnic minorities. How often do you hear about rich black guys getting shot? Or successful Asian business women? Pretty much never because they feel no need to commit crime. It's the lifestyle, not the race. It just so happens mostly people of ethnic minorities are forced to live that lifestyle how can the police possibly control that? |
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| Hurry My Curry | Apr 28 2015, 02:54 PM Post #48 |
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I don't pretend to know European laws but how easy is it to get a gun in Europe compared to the US? It's really not that difficult for the average guy to have a gun in the US, so cops always have to be on edge when detaining someone. Police work is based on intuition and instinct. That's not really even up for debate. Like I said, if it's true that this person was unarmed and not resisting arrest, the police officer should be tried in court. But consider another incident that happened in the US. A 10 year old boy was walking around with a toy gun and putting it in people's face at a diner. The people at the diner thought the thing was real. A police officer was sent over and shoots the kid down. Now obviously this kid didn't deserve to die but how can you really blame the policeman for doing what he did. It's life or death quick decisions Edited by Hurry My Curry, Apr 28 2015, 02:55 PM.
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| * Sousen Ichimonji | Apr 28 2015, 02:56 PM Post #49 |
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Steve. Sit back. Get up, even. Get up from your laptop. Go outside for a bit or something. Have a real think about why would you just said is f***ing horrible. And once you've reflected on that, maybe another thought or two about the logical progression that you should be making in your own argument. A little bit of critical thinking, perhaps. You hit the nail on the head briefly there. Forced. A little more empathy and a lot less victim-blaming for societal and cultural trends that put ethnic minorities in large part in positions where crime seems to become a worthwhile options. |
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| * Mitas | Apr 28 2015, 04:04 PM Post #50 |
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I think Steve, however misguided the way he expressed it, is right when it comes to class being much more of a factor than race. The problem is, when America has created a system where the majority of black people are poor, things become blurry. It starts to feel more like a race issue, and then it starts to actually become a race issue. |
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| + QueenTD | Apr 28 2015, 04:12 PM Post #51 |
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This is from my best friend's twitter feed All malls are closed. I'm probably out of a job for a few weeks due to a senseless riot. 
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| + Steve | Apr 28 2015, 05:11 PM Post #52 |
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There's only a problem with what I said if you look at the first quote on it's own. I said somewhat justified. They have to treat people from these bad neighbourhoods with caution, it's not their fault they're almost entirely ethnic minorities but all that does is highlight who they have to watch out for. Cops can't be blamed for almost everyone in bad neighbourhoods being ethnic minorities that's just the way it is, the government needs to deal with that not the cops all they're doing is their job, perhaps not perfectly every time but what would people who don't get shot at every other day know about how scary it is to be in constant fear around these neighbourhoods? And elsewhere but less so. |
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| lazerbem | Apr 28 2015, 05:20 PM Post #53 |
 
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That's an issue of class, not race. |
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| + QueenTD | Apr 28 2015, 05:25 PM Post #54 |
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In places where whites are the minority. They commit the most crimes. Kinda interesting I guess. The Baltimore county representive is talking. He's scared.. Edited by QueenTD, Apr 28 2015, 05:26 PM.
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| Southern Gothic | Apr 28 2015, 05:31 PM Post #55 |
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I've never seen anything from one race that makes me believe that they are more capable of anything than another race. Human beings are all capable of the same atrocities and charity. For example, serial killers are notoriously associated with middle class, white males, but there have been black, hispanic and women serial killers as well. This goes for rioting too. Look at the riots in Greece a few years ago. Sure, the circumstances were different, but the results remained the same. Edited by Southern Gothic, Apr 28 2015, 05:34 PM.
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| GokuBlaze | Apr 28 2015, 05:33 PM Post #56 |
 
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I posted this too. Sorry. I didn't see this topic. Now back on topic: I think it's just crazy. I wouldn't wanna be there. Ray Lewis has a message he just uploaded on Facebook if hall haven't already seen it |
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| + Steve | Apr 28 2015, 07:09 PM Post #57 |
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That's the point, the media makes it seem otherwise, like ethnic minorities that get shot evading the law aren't from low class high crime areas that they're shot just because they're not white. If roles were reversed racial discrimination would be towards the white people in these areas because it'd be almost entirely white people in low class areas causing all sorts of crime. Police wouldn't be kicking down the doors of high class ethnic families and murdering them all for laughs. Why is mainstream media allowed to do this? Obama and whoever else should be getting that s*** outlawed the racial divide only exists the way it does because the media makes every race vs white. It's not white cop shoots black guy. It's cop shoots suspect/innocent civilian/fleeing criminal, issue obviously being that middle one. Not the race of either party, that's irrelevant. How often are there reports of black cops shooting black people all over the news? Never, unless there's some kind of special circumstance that takes the show and makes it controversial news. Seriously never though, there's no way anyone can pretend a black cop has never ever shot a black person, or Asian person or whatever else it's only an issue when the cop is white because suddenly everyone knows the cop and what kind of morals he has or lack of them. |
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| Master Gohan | Apr 28 2015, 09:53 PM Post #58 |
 
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Lol? It sucks that innocent people's homes are being destroyed and living in fear because some teenager died? it sucks, but this is ridiculous. Anyone who justifies these riots is just an idiot my book. |
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| + Steve | Apr 28 2015, 10:27 PM Post #59 |
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There's a big difference between a revolution and a riot this is just a bunch of a***** wrecking stuff because they have an excuse to, not people who actually want change. If they wanted change why would they steal from their own people and burn their properly? This is people giving in to primitive desires because they can act like they have some legit purpose for it. Which obviously they don't because even Freddie's family want peace. No one is going to be more upset than they are and clearly they've come to terms with it they're not out there gathering an army to murder all police officers. |
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| + QueenTD | Apr 29 2015, 02:56 AM Post #60 |
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My Dear Melancholy,
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Live pictures and news on TV telling a different story.    They're throwing tear gases at everyone including media to enforce the 10PM curfew (For all ages) |
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