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Silent Hills is cancelled
Topic Started: Apr 27 2015, 02:56 PM (1,080 Views)
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Doesn't mean they won't, they still own MG and Silent Hill.

How involved with Silent Hill was Kojima anyway? I've never heard of him being all that important to the series it's always MG he's centered around.

At the end of the day, we don't know why this is happening maybe Kojima deserves to be fired.

Awesome a guy for Konami as he is perhaps he was sexually harassing female co-workers or something, they could hardly just let him off because he's involved with their big titles.
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I'm more upset to see the loss of Del Toro, who seemed like a perfect fit to craft a Silent Hill story.
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Apr 28 2015, 02:45 AM
Doesn't mean they won't, they still own MG and Silent Hill.

How involved with Silent Hill was Kojima anyway? I've never heard of him being all that important to the series it's always MG he's centered around.

At the end of the day, we don't know why this is happening maybe Kojima deserves to be fired.

Awesome a guy for Konami as he is perhaps he was sexually harassing female co-workers or something, they could hardly just let him off because he's involved with their big titles.
In that case, why don't Konami say something like that? They could even say 'creative differences' and it'd be a damn sight vetter than just leaving it open-ended like they have. If it's sone sort of scheme, then it's failed horribly, as the hit to the PR just isn't worth it.
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Apr 28 2015, 10:59 AM
In that case, why don't Konami say something like that? They could even say 'creative differences' and it'd be a damn sight vetter than just leaving it open-ended like they have. If it's sone sort of scheme, then it's failed horribly, as the hit to the PR just isn't worth it.
Out of respect for what he's done with them I guess, he's still basically in control of The Phantom Pain they're giving him until that's done and it seems he'll go.

He himself hasn't come out and said he's leaving after the game of his own accord so there probably is a reason he's possibly been fired but they don't want to say it just yet since they're still finishing TPP.

Seems like they're letting him go quietly because he's such a big name in the industry.
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Apr 28 2015, 02:38 PM
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Apr 28 2015, 10:59 AM
In that case, why don't Konami say something like that? They could even say 'creative differences' and it'd be a damn sight vetter than just leaving it open-ended like they have. If it's sone sort of scheme, then it's failed horribly, as the hit to the PR just isn't worth it.
Out of respect for what he's done with them I guess, he's still basically in control of The Phantom Pain they're giving him until that's done and it seems he'll go.

He himself hasn't come out and said he's leaving after the game of his own accord so there probably is a reason he's possibly been fired but they don't want to say it just yet since they're still finishing TPP.

Seems like they're letting him go quietly because he's such a big name in the industry.
If he's being fired due to something that he did, it isn't in Konami's best interest to keep it quiet. Think of it like this;

Kojima is insanely popular; lots of people know him and he's a likeable guy in their eyes. Konami lets him go without saying why and they're going to assume that Konami are unjustified and are in the wrong.

If they reveal why they fired him, a lot of people will understand. There'll still be a lot of people who hate Konami, but if people understand that they fired Kojima for a good reason, they wont despise Konami.

This is honestly a potential company-ender. It's a PR disaster whatever happens, but if they were totally justified in doing what they did, they would've been clear on it by now.
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PT was the first "game" I ever played on the PS4, and it was incredible experience. I was super disappointed when I heard about this.
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Apr 28 2015, 02:50 PM
If he's being fired due to something that he did, it isn't in Konami's best interest to keep it quiet. Think of it like this;

Kojima is insanely popular; lots of people know him and he's a likeable guy in their eyes. Konami lets him go without saying why and they're going to assume that Konami are unjustified and are in the wrong.

If they reveal why they fired him, a lot of people will understand. There'll still be a lot of people who hate Konami, but if people understand that they fired Kojima for a good reason, they wont despise Konami.

This is honestly a potential company-ender. It's a PR disaster whatever happens, but if they were totally justified in doing what they did, they would've been clear on it by now.
Yeah but they obviously still need him for TPP, if they let him go when it was unfinished the game could be a disaster so money and reputation is even more on the line there.

If they make good games after this they'll fix their reputation, if they straight up chucked him out now that would be an insanely bad choice.

Out of respect for what he's done for them they'll probably let him go quietly since he's going to ensure TPP is a success which they desperately need right now if he's going.

I mean he could just leave and let the game flounder and destroy Konami but he's opting to finish it first.
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Apr 28 2015, 06:17 PM
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Apr 28 2015, 02:50 PM
If he's being fired due to something that he did, it isn't in Konami's best interest to keep it quiet. Think of it like this;

Kojima is insanely popular; lots of people know him and he's a likeable guy in their eyes. Konami lets him go without saying why and they're going to assume that Konami are unjustified and are in the wrong.

If they reveal why they fired him, a lot of people will understand. There'll still be a lot of people who hate Konami, but if people understand that they fired Kojima for a good reason, they wont despise Konami.

This is honestly a potential company-ender. It's a PR disaster whatever happens, but if they were totally justified in doing what they did, they would've been clear on it by now.
Yeah but they obviously still need him for TPP, if they let him go when it was unfinished the game could be a disaster so money and reputation is even more on the line there.

If they make good games after this they'll fix their reputation, if they straight up chucked him out now that would be an insanely bad choice.

Out of respect for what he's done for them they'll probably let him go quietly since he's going to ensure TPP is a success which they desperately need right now if he's going.

I mean he could just leave and let the game flounder and destroy Konami but he's opting to finish it first.
Yeah, he'll finish TPP, but if he's working on contract, that'll be it.

It doesn't even matter if the MG games Konami makes without Kojima are good or not, they'll have lost a lot of support from the fans due to their treatment of Kojima, plus Kojima himself is almost as well-known as MG; he's really popular and his name is attached to the series. With something like Resident Evil, for example, they've got a whole world to explore without Shinji Mikami there, as a lot of the characters are left kind of open-ended and the series is heading in the direction of a much needed reboot. Shinji Mikami isn't Resident Evil, but Hideo Kojima is Metal Gear. That's the problem with having a developer who's so close to a series; they become almost inseparable.

Even with TPP in mind, if Kojima is in the wrong, they should say something. Perceived events, even if incorrect, could have a huge impact on sales, so some damage control in the form of describing what Kojima actually did would actually be more beneficial in the long run.
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Apr 28 2015, 09:38 PM
Even with TPP in mind, if Kojima is in the wrong, they should say something. Perceived events, even if incorrect, could have a huge impact on sales, so some damage control in the form of describing what Kojima actually did would actually be more beneficial in the long run.
Not if it's something bad like sexual harassment.

"He sexually harassed a co-worker but we're still letting him work here for now since we need the money from The Phantom Pain, people won't buy it if he's not involved"

Not a very good message to send at this point in time people would probably boycott the game until he came back, it would certainly destroy them. Just as it would to keep someone who harasses co-workers, people would lose respect for Kojima and Konami for keeping him there.


They probably will say "creative differences" or something but only after TPP.

I think people are overreacting with Silent Hill though his name isn't as attached to that, it's a big name sure but they don't know what Kojima done with the game it's not clear if he was as involved with it as MG.
The main sad loss for me is Norman Reedus there would have been epic playing as him(though not if it was first person)
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Apr 28 2015, 10:37 PM
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Apr 28 2015, 09:38 PM
Even with TPP in mind, if Kojima is in the wrong, they should say something. Perceived events, even if incorrect, could have a huge impact on sales, so some damage control in the form of describing what Kojima actually did would actually be more beneficial in the long run.
Not if it's something bad like sexual harassment.

"He sexually harassed a co-worker but we're still letting him work here for now since we need the money from The Phantom Pain, people won't buy it if he's not involved"

Not a very good message to send at this point in time people would probably boycott the game until he came back, it would certainly destroy them. Just as it would to keep someone who harasses co-workers, people would lose respect for Kojima and Konami for keeping him there.


They probably will say "creative differences" or something but only after TPP.

I think people are overreacting with Silent Hill though his name isn't as attached to that, it's a big name sure but they don't know what Kojima done with the game it's not clear if he was as involved with it as MG.
The main sad loss for me is Norman Reedus there would have been epic playing as him(though not if it was first person)
If it's something as bad as sexual harassment, they're still in the wrong by covering it up. Something that bad would inevitably get out, and could you imagine the scandal of Konami hiding that fact? If that were the case, then they'd be much better off kicking Kojima out and having the rest of the team finish it off. The game would still be finished and they wouldn't be doing something as morally reprehensible as allowing a harasser to continue working purely so they can make a profit.

If he's done something as bad as that, most people wont support him. The only reason they'd boycott the game if he were kicked off the project is if Konami are in the wrong for essentially firing him. If they show that he's the one in the wrong, the response towards them wont be nearly as venomous.
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Do you guys think fans will still support a MGS game without Kojima?

I think they can safely put out more of the Rising games, as they are kind of distanced from the series as a whole and established it's own sort of path. But anything involving Snake or the main plot, I am not so sure.
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Apr 28 2015, 10:55 PM
If it's something as bad as sexual harassment, they're still in the wrong by covering it up.
Well like I said might not be quite that bad and they might cover it up out of respect for him keeping him going, no way would they have survived this long without support if they just ditched him they'd be massive dicks.

Honestly I think people would still support him mostly, except for feminists and the like people would probably just be all "everyone makes mistakes but only Kojima makes Metal Gear about it"



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I doubt there will be any more MGS games this is the last, Snake's story is finished after TPP so they'll probably go in a new direction like MGR. Which I think will be fine but it's going to take a lot for people to get behind it, just because Kojima won't be doing it.

I just hope they don't water down the series as fun a game as MGR was it wasn't Metal Gear it was just a campy action game.
We all know what happens when a series gets watered down, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, most things with as many titles. Once it becomes action based all hope of a decent story seems to die.

I still wish they'd go back and do a game about Gray Fox or The Boss's pasts, it would be epic seeing The Boss's group in their glory days.
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Not only that, but without Kojima, Guillermo del Toro has no one to work with, and that's a shame, because both of these unique geniuses have creativity that has been lost for decades.
We fans get close to the experience of having both of these masters of imagination combining their works into something freaky and unsettling, on a SILENT HILL game, and Konami just took it away from us.

It's like when they let you taste a little portion of a cake and then throw it on the floor. The cake is a f***ing lie, Konami.
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