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Why does people hate the idea that Dragonball GT follows after End of Z and FnF?
Topic Started: Apr 23 2015, 11:56 PM (4,246 Views)
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''The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involve from the script stage for the first time. An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT”, or in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time.

Such well-known and charming characters as Kuririn, Piccolo, and Vegeta will all make an appearance. A new story in the official history of Dragon Ball is born, neither a spin-off nor a side-story, one that can be enjoyed by both children and parents, manga fans and anime fans.''


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/


That's a passive dismissal of GT if I ever saw one. If GT was canon, why would they make a big thing about Battle of Gods not being a side-story, and instead being 'a new story in the official history of Dragon Ball'? It's implying that something can't be both of those things.

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''The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involve from the script stage for the first time. An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT”, or in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time.

Such well-known and charming characters as Kuririn, Piccolo, and Vegeta will all make an appearance. A new story in the official history of Dragon Ball is born, neither a spin-off nor a side-story, one that can be enjoyed by both children and parents, manga fans and anime fans.''


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/


That's a passive dismissal of GT if I ever saw one. If GT was canon, why would they make a big thing about Battle of Gods not being a side-story, and instead being 'a new story in the official history of Dragon Ball'? It's implying that something can't be both of those things.

they said that BOG isnt a side-story simply because it is not a side-story. it is equivalent to a chapter of the main story which is dbz.

the same interview states that BOG happens between the boo saga and GT yet you think GT is being dismissed? that line of thinking isnt something thats understandable.
GT is a story in the official history of dragonball however, it is a side-story.

BOG is simply dbz history not shown before, nothing more.
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''Covers from the completion of the Namekian translator on God’s ship on 14 November, Age 762, up to Goku’s fight against Coola some time between Age 764 and 767.''

tfw Movie 5 is canon also
im guessing that the gist of my argument flew right over your head?

all dbz productions by toei are "canon". movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension.


dbz movies 1-13 are instances where a head of the series has stated that an event has occurred outside of the mangas continuity. no such thing is stated with GT or BOG. toei stated that BOG happens before GT, so that puts them in the same continuity.
But according to you, these must exist on the same timeline because it states Movie 5 happens after the Freeza saga between the ages of 764 and 767 :p .
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''Covers from the completion of the Namekian translator on God’s ship on 14 November, Age 762, up to Goku’s fight against Coola some time between Age 764 and 767.''

tfw Movie 5 is canon also
im guessing that the gist of my argument flew right over your head?

all dbz productions by toei are "canon". movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension.


dbz movies 1-13 are instances where a head of the series has stated that an event has occurred outside of the mangas continuity. no such thing is stated with GT or BOG. toei stated that BOG happens before GT, so that puts them in the same continuity.
But according to you, these must exist on the same timeline because it states Movie 5 happens after the Freeza saga between the ages of 764 and 767 :p .
um, yeah.... i never said that. movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension as stated by toriyama, so the events of movies 1-13 are the only events on the timeline that are not part of the main continuity. everything else is.
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''Covers from the completion of the Namekian translator on God’s ship on 14 November, Age 762, up to Goku’s fight against Coola some time between Age 764 and 767.''

tfw Movie 5 is canon also
im guessing that the gist of my argument flew right over your head?

all dbz productions by toei are "canon". movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension.


dbz movies 1-13 are instances where a head of the series has stated that an event has occurred outside of the mangas continuity. no such thing is stated with GT or BOG. toei stated that BOG happens before GT, so that puts them in the same continuity.
But according to you, these must exist on the same timeline because it states Movie 5 happens after the Freeza saga between the ages of 764 and 767 :p .
um, yeah.... i never said that. movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension as stated by toriyama, so the events of movies 1-13 are the only ones not part of the main timeline. everything else is.
Why though? If the movies can exist as a separate branch of continuity, why can't GT?
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''The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involve from the script stage for the first time. An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT”, or in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time.

Such well-known and charming characters as Kuririn, Piccolo, and Vegeta will all make an appearance. A new story in the official history of Dragon Ball is born, neither a spin-off nor a side-story, one that can be enjoyed by both children and parents, manga fans and anime fans.''


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/


That's a passive dismissal of GT if I ever saw one. If GT was canon, why would they make a big thing about Battle of Gods not being a side-story, and instead being 'a new story in the official history of Dragon Ball'? It's implying that something can't be both of those things.

they said that BOG isnt a side-story simply because it is not a side-story. it is equivalent to a chapter of the main story which is dbz.

the same interview states that BOG happens between the boo saga and GT yet you think GT is being dismissed? that line of thinking isnt something thats understandable.
GT is a story in the official history of dragonball however, it is a side-story.

BOG is simply dbz history not shown before, nothing more.
Keep in mind that Toriyama stated that Goku wasn't going to use SSJ2/SSJ3 after BoG, as he's decided that they're not worth the strain, yet he uses SSJ3 several times in GT.

Poor Z-fighters. Goku's quite possibly the worst character in the history of fiction. He completely ignored Beerus and Whis, who could've been an immense help with both their power and Whis' ability to reverse time. They also must've wished to Shenron to make Pilaf and his gang very old. Quite malicious, really.
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''Covers from the completion of the Namekian translator on God’s ship on 14 November, Age 762, up to Goku’s fight against Coola some time between Age 764 and 767.''

tfw Movie 5 is canon also
im guessing that the gist of my argument flew right over your head?

all dbz productions by toei are "canon". movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension.


dbz movies 1-13 are instances where a head of the series has stated that an event has occurred outside of the mangas continuity. no such thing is stated with GT or BOG. toei stated that BOG happens before GT, so that puts them in the same continuity.
But according to you, these must exist on the same timeline because it states Movie 5 happens after the Freeza saga between the ages of 764 and 767 :p .
um, yeah.... i never said that. movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension as stated by toriyama, so the events of movies 1-13 are the only ones not part of the main timeline. everything else is.
Why though? If the movies can exist as a separate branch of continuity, why can't GT?
because its never stated that GT is a separate timeline. no head of the series ever indulged such nonsense. toei places GT and the new movies in the same continuity. GT is the mangas side story and BOG is simply equivalent to a chapter of dbz.
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''Covers from the completion of the Namekian translator on God’s ship on 14 November, Age 762, up to Goku’s fight against Coola some time between Age 764 and 767.''

tfw Movie 5 is canon also
im guessing that the gist of my argument flew right over your head?

all dbz productions by toei are "canon". movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension.


dbz movies 1-13 are instances where a head of the series has stated that an event has occurred outside of the mangas continuity. no such thing is stated with GT or BOG. toei stated that BOG happens before GT, so that puts them in the same continuity.
But according to you, these must exist on the same timeline because it states Movie 5 happens after the Freeza saga between the ages of 764 and 767 :p .
um, yeah.... i never said that. movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension as stated by toriyama, so the events of movies 1-13 are the only ones not part of the main timeline. everything else is.
Why though? If the movies can exist as a separate branch of continuity, why can't GT?
because its never stated that GT is a separate timeline. no head of the series ever indulged such nonsense. toei places GT and the new movies in the same continuity. GT is the mangas side story and BOG is simply equivalent to a chapter of dbz.
Why does that have to be stated? I think the proof is in the pudding. What's more, grand side-story can be construed as such. Seriously, where are you even getting your definition of side-story from?
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''The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involve from the script stage for the first time. An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT”, or in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time.

Such well-known and charming characters as Kuririn, Piccolo, and Vegeta will all make an appearance. A new story in the official history of Dragon Ball is born, neither a spin-off nor a side-story, one that can be enjoyed by both children and parents, manga fans and anime fans.''


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/


That's a passive dismissal of GT if I ever saw one. If GT was canon, why would they make a big thing about Battle of Gods not being a side-story, and instead being 'a new story in the official history of Dragon Ball'? It's implying that something can't be both of those things.

they said that BOG isnt a side-story simply because it is not a side-story. it is equivalent to a chapter of the main story which is dbz.

the same interview states that BOG happens between the boo saga and GT yet you think GT is being dismissed? that line of thinking isnt something thats understandable.
GT is a story in the official history of dragonball however, it is a side-story.

BOG is simply dbz history not shown before, nothing more.
Keep in mind that Toriyama stated that Goku wasn't going to use SSJ2/SSJ3 after BoG, as he's decided that they're not worth the strain, yet he uses SSJ3 several times in GT.

Poor Z-fighters. Goku's quite possibly the worst character in the history of fiction. He completely ignored Beerus and Whis, who could've been an immense help with both their power and Whis' ability to reverse time. They also must've wished to Shenron to make Pilaf and his gang very old. Quite malicious, really.
what you are pointing out are called inconsistencies. this doesnt have any bearing on whats part of the continuity and beerus and whis not being talked about in GT isnt an inconsistency.


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''Covers from the completion of the Namekian translator on God’s ship on 14 November, Age 762, up to Goku’s fight against Coola some time between Age 764 and 767.''

tfw Movie 5 is canon also
im guessing that the gist of my argument flew right over your head?

all dbz productions by toei are "canon". movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension.


dbz movies 1-13 are instances where a head of the series has stated that an event has occurred outside of the mangas continuity. no such thing is stated with GT or BOG. toei stated that BOG happens before GT, so that puts them in the same continuity.
But according to you, these must exist on the same timeline because it states Movie 5 happens after the Freeza saga between the ages of 764 and 767 :p .
um, yeah.... i never said that. movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension as stated by toriyama, so the events of movies 1-13 are the only ones not part of the main timeline. everything else is.
Why though? If the movies can exist as a separate branch of continuity, why can't GT?
because its never stated that GT is a separate timeline. no head of the series ever indulged such nonsense. toei places GT and the new movies in the same continuity. GT is the mangas side story and BOG is simply equivalent to a chapter of dbz.
Why does that have to be stated? I think the proof is in the pudding. What's more, grand side-story can be construed as such. Seriously, where are you even getting your definition of side-story from?
side story can in no way be construed as "not part of the continuity".

naruto gaiden is a side story to naruto.

kakashis gaiden is a side story in naruto.

GT is dragonballs side story.

all of these stories happen alongside or after the main story and they are a part of the main continuity of the story they follow.

if you dont understand, there are others that explain this with more detail.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29426
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''The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involve from the script stage for the first time. An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT”, or in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time.

Such well-known and charming characters as Kuririn, Piccolo, and Vegeta will all make an appearance. A new story in the official history of Dragon Ball is born, neither a spin-off nor a side-story, one that can be enjoyed by both children and parents, manga fans and anime fans.''


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/


That's a passive dismissal of GT if I ever saw one. If GT was canon, why would they make a big thing about Battle of Gods not being a side-story, and instead being 'a new story in the official history of Dragon Ball'? It's implying that something can't be both of those things.

they said that BOG isnt a side-story simply because it is not a side-story. it is equivalent to a chapter of the main story which is dbz.

the same interview states that BOG happens between the boo saga and GT yet you think GT is being dismissed? that line of thinking isnt something thats understandable.
GT is a story in the official history of dragonball however, it is a side-story.

BOG is simply dbz history not shown before, nothing more.
Keep in mind that Toriyama stated that Goku wasn't going to use SSJ2/SSJ3 after BoG, as he's decided that they're not worth the strain, yet he uses SSJ3 several times in GT.

Poor Z-fighters. Goku's quite possibly the worst character in the history of fiction. He completely ignored Beerus and Whis, who could've been an immense help with both their power and Whis' ability to reverse time. They also must've wished to Shenron to make Pilaf and his gang very old. Quite malicious, really.
what you are pointing out are called inconsistencies. this doesnt have any bearing on whats part of the continuity and beerus and whis not being talked about in GT isnt an inconsistency.


They aren't just inconsistencies though, they are essentially retcons of major plot elements. There are ways to reconcile the minor inconsistencies present in the manga or anime, but these aren't things you gloss over, as I've said previously. Beerus and Whis not being referenced are inconsistencies because Boo is referenced as a major threat, which doesn't make sense given that Beerus and Whis are much much much stronger.
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side story can in no way be construed as "not part of the continuity".

naruto gaiden is a side story to naruto.

kakashis gaiden is a side story in naruto.

GT is dragonballs side story.

all of these stories happen alongside or after the main story and they are a part of the main continuity of the story they follow.

if you dont understand, there are others that explain this with more detail.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29426

This doesn't explain where you got your definition of side-story from. As it stands now, you're fabricating one to serve your purposes. I've also read that thread on Kanzenshuu, and you seem to have completely missed it's point. It exists to determine whether GT is canon or not, not whether it exists within the same continuity as Battle of Gods or even the manga itself.
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''The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involve from the script stage for the first time. An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT”, or in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time.

Such well-known and charming characters as Kuririn, Piccolo, and Vegeta will all make an appearance. A new story in the official history of Dragon Ball is born, neither a spin-off nor a side-story, one that can be enjoyed by both children and parents, manga fans and anime fans.''


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/


That's a passive dismissal of GT if I ever saw one. If GT was canon, why would they make a big thing about Battle of Gods not being a side-story, and instead being 'a new story in the official history of Dragon Ball'? It's implying that something can't be both of those things.

they said that BOG isnt a side-story simply because it is not a side-story. it is equivalent to a chapter of the main story which is dbz.

the same interview states that BOG happens between the boo saga and GT yet you think GT is being dismissed? that line of thinking isnt something thats understandable.
GT is a story in the official history of dragonball however, it is a side-story.

BOG is simply dbz history not shown before, nothing more.
Keep in mind that Toriyama stated that Goku wasn't going to use SSJ2/SSJ3 after BoG, as he's decided that they're not worth the strain, yet he uses SSJ3 several times in GT.

Poor Z-fighters. Goku's quite possibly the worst character in the history of fiction. He completely ignored Beerus and Whis, who could've been an immense help with both their power and Whis' ability to reverse time. They also must've wished to Shenron to make Pilaf and his gang very old. Quite malicious, really.
what you are pointing out are called inconsistencies. this doesnt have any bearing on whats part of the continuity and beerus and whis not being talked about in GT isnt an inconsistency.


They aren't just inconsistencies though, they are essentially retcons of major plot elements. There are ways to reconcile the minor inconsistencies present in the manga or anime, but these aren't things you gloss over, as I've said previously. Beerus and Whis not being referenced are inconsistencies because Boo is referenced as a major threat, which doesn't make sense given that Beerus and Whis are much much much stronger.
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side story can in no way be construed as "not part of the continuity".

naruto gaiden is a side story to naruto.

kakashis gaiden is a side story in naruto.

GT is dragonballs side story.

all of these stories happen alongside or after the main story and they are a part of the main continuity of the story they follow.

if you dont understand, there are others that explain this with more detail.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29426

This doesn't explain where you got your definition of side-story from. As it stands now, you're fabricating one to serve your purposes. I've also read that thread on Kanzenshuu, and you seem to have completely missed it's point. It exists to determine whether GT is canon or not, not whether it exists within the same continuity as Battle of Gods or even the manga itself.
no, they are simply inconsistencies. bigger inconsistencies than you would like, but still just inconsistencies. boo is never referenced as a major threat in GT. im not sure how you came to that conclusion.


i know what the point of the thread was. you seemed to miss the point of my post. you are basically claiming that side stories are not a part of the continuity and i gave you multiple examples of side stories that are part of the main continuity of their series. that thread was to help you understand what a side story is.

ive given you multiple examples of a side story. they are all stories that happen alongside or after the main story. im not fabricating anything. if you dont want to accept it, thats your problem. im not going to keep repeating myself while you put your hands over your ears and refuse to listen to facts.
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''The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involve from the script stage for the first time. An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT”, or in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time.

Such well-known and charming characters as Kuririn, Piccolo, and Vegeta will all make an appearance. A new story in the official history of Dragon Ball is born, neither a spin-off nor a side-story, one that can be enjoyed by both children and parents, manga fans and anime fans.''


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/


That's a passive dismissal of GT if I ever saw one. If GT was canon, why would they make a big thing about Battle of Gods not being a side-story, and instead being 'a new story in the official history of Dragon Ball'? It's implying that something can't be both of those things.

they said that BOG isnt a side-story simply because it is not a side-story. it is equivalent to a chapter of the main story which is dbz.

the same interview states that BOG happens between the boo saga and GT yet you think GT is being dismissed? that line of thinking isnt something thats understandable.
GT is a story in the official history of dragonball however, it is a side-story.

BOG is simply dbz history not shown before, nothing more.
Keep in mind that Toriyama stated that Goku wasn't going to use SSJ2/SSJ3 after BoG, as he's decided that they're not worth the strain, yet he uses SSJ3 several times in GT.

Poor Z-fighters. Goku's quite possibly the worst character in the history of fiction. He completely ignored Beerus and Whis, who could've been an immense help with both their power and Whis' ability to reverse time. They also must've wished to Shenron to make Pilaf and his gang very old. Quite malicious, really.
what you are pointing out are called inconsistencies. this doesnt have any bearing on whats part of the continuity and beerus and whis not being talked about in GT isnt an inconsistency.


They aren't just inconsistencies though, they are essentially retcons of major plot elements. There are ways to reconcile the minor inconsistencies present in the manga or anime, but these aren't things you gloss over, as I've said previously. Beerus and Whis not being referenced are inconsistencies because Boo is referenced as a major threat, which doesn't make sense given that Beerus and Whis are much much much stronger.
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side story can in no way be construed as "not part of the continuity".

naruto gaiden is a side story to naruto.

kakashis gaiden is a side story in naruto.

GT is dragonballs side story.

all of these stories happen alongside or after the main story and they are a part of the main continuity of the story they follow.

if you dont understand, there are others that explain this with more detail.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29426

This doesn't explain where you got your definition of side-story from. As it stands now, you're fabricating one to serve your purposes. I've also read that thread on Kanzenshuu, and you seem to have completely missed it's point. It exists to determine whether GT is canon or not, not whether it exists within the same continuity as Battle of Gods or even the manga itself.
no, they are simply inconsistencies. bigger inconsistencies than you would like, but still just inconsistencies. boo is never referenced as a major threat in GT. im not sure how you came to that conclusion.


i know what the point of the thread was. you seemed to miss the point of my post. you are basically claiming that side stories are not a part of the continuity and i gave you multiple examples of side stories that are part of the main continuity of their series. that thread was to help you understand what a side story is.

ive given you multiple examples of a side story. they are all stories that happen alongside or after the main story. im not fabricating anything. if you dont want to accept it, thats your problem. im not going to keep repeating myself while you put your hands over your ears and refuse to listen to reason.
Inconsistencies that can't be reconciled are too big a deal. You gave me multiple examples of what YOU think are side-stories. Find me the definition you abide by and we'll talk. Side-stories are stories that exist as a separate branch of a continuity, and the thread you provided doesn't attempt to suggest otherwise, in fact several people in said thread agree with my sentiment. Honestly, your the one putting your hands over your ears and screaming into the void.
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''The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involve from the script stage for the first time. An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT”, or in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time.

Such well-known and charming characters as Kuririn, Piccolo, and Vegeta will all make an appearance. A new story in the official history of Dragon Ball is born, neither a spin-off nor a side-story, one that can be enjoyed by both children and parents, manga fans and anime fans.''


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/


That's a passive dismissal of GT if I ever saw one. If GT was canon, why would they make a big thing about Battle of Gods not being a side-story, and instead being 'a new story in the official history of Dragon Ball'? It's implying that something can't be both of those things.

they said that BOG isnt a side-story simply because it is not a side-story. it is equivalent to a chapter of the main story which is dbz.

the same interview states that BOG happens between the boo saga and GT yet you think GT is being dismissed? that line of thinking isnt something thats understandable.
GT is a story in the official history of dragonball however, it is a side-story.

BOG is simply dbz history not shown before, nothing more.
Keep in mind that Toriyama stated that Goku wasn't going to use SSJ2/SSJ3 after BoG, as he's decided that they're not worth the strain, yet he uses SSJ3 several times in GT.

Poor Z-fighters. Goku's quite possibly the worst character in the history of fiction. He completely ignored Beerus and Whis, who could've been an immense help with both their power and Whis' ability to reverse time. They also must've wished to Shenron to make Pilaf and his gang very old. Quite malicious, really.
what you are pointing out are called inconsistencies. this doesnt have any bearing on whats part of the continuity and beerus and whis not being talked about in GT isnt an inconsistency.


They aren't just inconsistencies though, they are essentially retcons of major plot elements. There are ways to reconcile the minor inconsistencies present in the manga or anime, but these aren't things you gloss over, as I've said previously. Beerus and Whis not being referenced are inconsistencies because Boo is referenced as a major threat, which doesn't make sense given that Beerus and Whis are much much much stronger.
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side story can in no way be construed as "not part of the continuity".

naruto gaiden is a side story to naruto.

kakashis gaiden is a side story in naruto.

GT is dragonballs side story.

all of these stories happen alongside or after the main story and they are a part of the main continuity of the story they follow.

if you dont understand, there are others that explain this with more detail.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29426

This doesn't explain where you got your definition of side-story from. As it stands now, you're fabricating one to serve your purposes. I've also read that thread on Kanzenshuu, and you seem to have completely missed it's point. It exists to determine whether GT is canon or not, not whether it exists within the same continuity as Battle of Gods or even the manga itself.
no, they are simply inconsistencies. bigger inconsistencies than you would like, but still just inconsistencies. boo is never referenced as a major threat in GT. im not sure how you came to that conclusion.


i know what the point of the thread was. you seemed to miss the point of my post. you are basically claiming that side stories are not a part of the continuity and i gave you multiple examples of side stories that are part of the main continuity of their series. that thread was to help you understand what a side story is.

ive given you multiple examples of a side story. they are all stories that happen alongside or after the main story. im not fabricating anything. if you dont want to accept it, thats your problem. im not going to keep repeating myself while you put your hands over your ears and refuse to listen to reason.
Inconsistencies that can't be reconciled are too big a deal. You gave me multiple examples of what YOU think are side-stories. Find me the definition you abide by and we'll talk. Side-stories are stories that exist as a separate branch of a continuity, and the thread you provided doesn't attempt to suggest otherwise, in fact several people in said thread agree with my sentiment. Honestly, your the one putting your hands over your ears and screaming into the void.
the bold is simply your opinion. those inconsistencies didnt stop a head of the series from putting GT and BOG in the same continuity.

naruto gaiden(which means side story) is outright stated to be a side-story to naruto and so is kakashi gaiden. they are all side stories. they are part of the main continuity of their series. side story doesnt mean "not part of the main continuity".
stop talking about things which you know nothing about.
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''The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involve from the script stage for the first time. An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT”, or in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time.

Such well-known and charming characters as Kuririn, Piccolo, and Vegeta will all make an appearance. A new story in the official history of Dragon Ball is born, neither a spin-off nor a side-story, one that can be enjoyed by both children and parents, manga fans and anime fans.''


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/


That's a passive dismissal of GT if I ever saw one. If GT was canon, why would they make a big thing about Battle of Gods not being a side-story, and instead being 'a new story in the official history of Dragon Ball'? It's implying that something can't be both of those things.

they said that BOG isnt a side-story simply because it is not a side-story. it is equivalent to a chapter of the main story which is dbz.

the same interview states that BOG happens between the boo saga and GT yet you think GT is being dismissed? that line of thinking isnt something thats understandable.
GT is a story in the official history of dragonball however, it is a side-story.

BOG is simply dbz history not shown before, nothing more.
Keep in mind that Toriyama stated that Goku wasn't going to use SSJ2/SSJ3 after BoG, as he's decided that they're not worth the strain, yet he uses SSJ3 several times in GT.

Poor Z-fighters. Goku's quite possibly the worst character in the history of fiction. He completely ignored Beerus and Whis, who could've been an immense help with both their power and Whis' ability to reverse time. They also must've wished to Shenron to make Pilaf and his gang very old. Quite malicious, really.
what you are pointing out are called inconsistencies. this doesnt have any bearing on whats part of the continuity and beerus and whis not being talked about in GT isnt an inconsistency.


They aren't just inconsistencies though, they are essentially retcons of major plot elements. There are ways to reconcile the minor inconsistencies present in the manga or anime, but these aren't things you gloss over, as I've said previously. Beerus and Whis not being referenced are inconsistencies because Boo is referenced as a major threat, which doesn't make sense given that Beerus and Whis are much much much stronger.
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side story can in no way be construed as "not part of the continuity".

naruto gaiden is a side story to naruto.

kakashis gaiden is a side story in naruto.

GT is dragonballs side story.

all of these stories happen alongside or after the main story and they are a part of the main continuity of the story they follow.

if you dont understand, there are others that explain this with more detail.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29426

This doesn't explain where you got your definition of side-story from. As it stands now, you're fabricating one to serve your purposes. I've also read that thread on Kanzenshuu, and you seem to have completely missed it's point. It exists to determine whether GT is canon or not, not whether it exists within the same continuity as Battle of Gods or even the manga itself.
no, they are simply inconsistencies. bigger inconsistencies than you would like, but still just inconsistencies. boo is never referenced as a major threat in GT. im not sure how you came to that conclusion.


i know what the point of the thread was. you seemed to miss the point of my post. you are basically claiming that side stories are not a part of the continuity and i gave you multiple examples of side stories that are part of the main continuity of their series. that thread was to help you understand what a side story is.

ive given you multiple examples of a side story. they are all stories that happen alongside or after the main story. im not fabricating anything. if you dont want to accept it, thats your problem. im not going to keep repeating myself while you put your hands over your ears and refuse to listen to reason.
Inconsistencies that can't be reconciled are too big a deal. You gave me multiple examples of what YOU think are side-stories. Find me the definition you abide by and we'll talk. Side-stories are stories that exist as a separate branch of a continuity, and the thread you provided doesn't attempt to suggest otherwise, in fact several people in said thread agree with my sentiment. Honestly, your the one putting your hands over your ears and screaming into the void.
the bold is simply your opinion. those inconsistencies didnt stop a head of the series from putting GT and BOG in the same continuity.

naruto gaiden(which means side story) is outright stated to be a side-story to naruto and so is kakashi gaiden. they are all side stories. they are part of the main continuity of their series. side story doesnt mean "not part of the main continuity".
stop talking about things which you know nothing about.
My opinion? Ok, why is Boo used to measure strength instead of Beerus and Whis when Goku should be around their level? Why does Goku not use SSJGSSJ when Toriyama flat out stated Goku wouldn't use SSJ2 and SSJ3 anymore? Why doesn't Freeza use his Golden form? Why is Freeza not stuck in a cocoon on a tree in Hell? Have fun reconciling those. And again, GT isn't necessarily part of it's continuity. Ugh, side-story doesn't have a universally agreed upon definition. Seriously, try googling side-story. Also, you're getting snippy again, I suggest toning it down.
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