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Why does people hate the idea that Dragonball GT follows after End of Z and FnF?
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people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
goku during EOZ states that he had been training by himself during the ten years before EOZ when he was clearly shown training with whis and vegeta in the new movies. oobs power is of no concern.

its time to stop the nitpicking. its getting tiresome. all events on the timeline are part of the same continuity unless specified otherwise. you cant arbitrarily assume such a thing then ask for proof to invalidate your assumption.
toei puts GT in the same continuity as the new movies and so does the chozenshuu. its over. there isnt a debate to be had. its ridiculous when fans think that they have the authority to decide whats part of the continuity.
you dont decide that, toei and toriyama do. the inconsistencies between GT and the movies are 100% irrelevant. the only thing that matters is that GT, M14 and M15 are put into the same continuity by a head of the series.
If Freeza can get super strong in 4 months, Oob can get super strong in 10 years. Again, I'll ask, where is stated that these events occur on a linear timeline? It's also amusing to me that you're accusing me of nitpicking when you're doing exactly that in regards to BoG/RF and the end of Z. Honestly, you can blindly accept or assume these events exist in the same universe if you want, but I'm going to go with what actually works.
i never said anything about oobs power was inconsistent. during EOZ goku states that all this time he had been training by himself, yet thats proven false by the new movies. it doesnt mean that the movies and EOZ dont happen in the same continuity.

i already said that inconsistencies do not determine whats part of the continuity. the heads of the series determine that. you have ignored that and continued to whine about inconsistencies.

toei stated that GT happens in the same continuity as m14 and m15. they are the heads of the series and are the only ones with the authority to determine where it stands in the continuity. you have ignored this as well and stated that im blindly assuming that they happen in the same continuity.
it would help move things along if you would debate honestly and stop ignoring everything that doesnt indulge your beliefs.
Inconsistencies matter if they aren't minor retcons. Absolutely nothing about about Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are referenced in GT. Seriously, where is SSJGSSJ or Golden Freeza? You can't explain those away as things currently stand. With Trunks mentioning 19 and 20 instead of 17 and 18, you can attribute that to Trunks meddling with time. With Cell's regen, you can assume that as long as there is enough bio mass remaining, he can regen without his core. You can't just write off the fact that Beerus and Whis are nowhere to be seen. You can't just write off the fact that SSJ God or SSJGSSJ aren't mentioned. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza doesn't use his golden form. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza isn't in his own personal Hell. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are Toriyama's products. Toei doesn't determine what happens in Toriyama's universe. Toriyama has outright stated that GT is a grand side story, meaning it isn't part of the same universe. What's more, you have still yet to prove that these events exist on a linear timeline. If all it does is provide ages for existing events, that doesn't mean they all exist in the same continuity. That is an assumption on your part, and is contradicted by the facts and even Toriyama himself.
EDIT: Yeah, as I thought, it provides the ages in which events happen.
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The visual timeline from Daizenshuu 7 has been given a facelift. While it continues to give the exact dates of the major events in the series, with nearly the exact same textual layout, new events extrapolated from more recent releases have been added. It covers events in the distant past of Dragon Ball, such as the Elder Kaiōshin being sealed in the Z Sword around 75 million years ago, all the way to the end of Dragon Ball GT, which receives an additional two pages not found in the Daizenshuu version. In this respect, it is essentially identical to the timeline used in the “Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL” art exhibition, held in Tokyo and Osaka prior to the book’s release. (For those not familiar with the system of dates on the series, please note that it does not follow the years of the Gregorian calendar, and instead utilizes the fictional “Age” calendar. For example, the battle with Freeza takes place on December 24th, Age 762.)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/chozenshu/vol-04/
no, inconsistencies have zero impact on the continuity. whatever the heads of the series say is part of the continuity is indeed part of the continuity. case closed. your own personal logic is irrelevant.


you do realize that toriyama isnt the sole right holder of dbz right? BOG and FnF are toei productions which toriyama personally worked on. toei has every right to determine whats in the continuity. they have the rights to the series.


the fact that you think GT being a side-story means that it isnt part of the continuity shows your ignorance on this subject. a side-story is merely a story that happens after or alongside the main story. dbz is the main story. gt is its side story.

naruto is the main story. naruto gaiden is narutos side-story. kakashis gaiden is a side-story.

the history of trunks manga is a side-story. dont waste my time bringing up a nonsensical argument like that.


all events on the chozenshuu are part of one continuity unless stated otherwise. im talking about statements by the chozenshuu itself or a head of the series, not you.
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people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
goku during EOZ states that he had been training by himself during the ten years before EOZ when he was clearly shown training with whis and vegeta in the new movies. oobs power is of no concern.

its time to stop the nitpicking. its getting tiresome. all events on the timeline are part of the same continuity unless specified otherwise. you cant arbitrarily assume such a thing then ask for proof to invalidate your assumption.
toei puts GT in the same continuity as the new movies and so does the chozenshuu. its over. there isnt a debate to be had. its ridiculous when fans think that they have the authority to decide whats part of the continuity.
you dont decide that, toei and toriyama do. the inconsistencies between GT and the movies are 100% irrelevant. the only thing that matters is that GT, M14 and M15 are put into the same continuity by a head of the series.
If Freeza can get super strong in 4 months, Oob can get super strong in 10 years. Again, I'll ask, where is stated that these events occur on a linear timeline? It's also amusing to me that you're accusing me of nitpicking when you're doing exactly that in regards to BoG/RF and the end of Z. Honestly, you can blindly accept or assume these events exist in the same universe if you want, but I'm going to go with what actually works.
i never said anything about oobs power was inconsistent. during EOZ goku states that all this time he had been training by himself, yet thats proven false by the new movies. it doesnt mean that the movies and EOZ dont happen in the same continuity.

i already said that inconsistencies do not determine whats part of the continuity. the heads of the series determine that. you have ignored that and continued to whine about inconsistencies.

toei stated that GT happens in the same continuity as m14 and m15. they are the heads of the series and are the only ones with the authority to determine where it stands in the continuity. you have ignored this as well and stated that im blindly assuming that they happen in the same continuity.
it would help move things along if you would debate honestly and stop ignoring everything that doesnt indulge your beliefs.
Inconsistencies matter if they aren't minor retcons. Absolutely nothing about about Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are referenced in GT. Seriously, where is SSJGSSJ or Golden Freeza? You can't explain those away as things currently stand. With Trunks mentioning 19 and 20 instead of 17 and 18, you can attribute that to Trunks meddling with time. With Cell's regen, you can assume that as long as there is enough bio mass remaining, he can regen without his core. You can't just write off the fact that Beerus and Whis are nowhere to be seen. You can't just write off the fact that SSJ God or SSJGSSJ aren't mentioned. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza doesn't use his golden form. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza isn't in his own personal Hell. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are Toriyama's products. Toei doesn't determine what happens in Toriyama's universe. Toriyama has outright stated that GT is a grand side story, meaning it isn't part of the same universe. What's more, you have still yet to prove that these events exist on a linear timeline. If all it does is provide ages for existing events, that doesn't mean they all exist in the same continuity. That is an assumption on your part, and is contradicted by the facts and even Toriyama himself.
EDIT: Yeah, as I thought, it provides the ages in which events happen.
Kanzenshuu: Chozenshu 4
 
The visual timeline from Daizenshuu 7 has been given a facelift. While it continues to give the exact dates of the major events in the series, with nearly the exact same textual layout, new events extrapolated from more recent releases have been added. It covers events in the distant past of Dragon Ball, such as the Elder Kaiōshin being sealed in the Z Sword around 75 million years ago, all the way to the end of Dragon Ball GT, which receives an additional two pages not found in the Daizenshuu version. In this respect, it is essentially identical to the timeline used in the “Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL” art exhibition, held in Tokyo and Osaka prior to the book’s release. (For those not familiar with the system of dates on the series, please note that it does not follow the years of the Gregorian calendar, and instead utilizes the fictional “Age” calendar. For example, the battle with Freeza takes place on December 24th, Age 762.)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/chozenshu/vol-04/
no, inconsistencies have zero impact on the continuity. whatever the heads of the series say is part of the continuity is indeed part of the continuity. case closed. your own personal logic is irrelevant.


you do realize that toriyama isnt the sole right holder of dbz right? BOG and FnF are toei productions which toriyama personally worked on. toei has every right to determine whats in the continuity. they have the rights to the series.


the fact that you think GT being a side-story means that it isnt part of the continuity shows your ignorance on this subject. a side-story is merely a story that happens after or alongside the main story. dbz is the main story. gt is its side story.

naruto is the main story. naruto gaiden is narutos side-story. kakashis gaiden is a side-story.

the history of trunks manga is a side-story. dont waste my time bringing up a nonsensical argument like that.


all events on the chozenshuu are part of one continuity unless stated otherwise. im talking about statements by the chozenshuu itself or a head of the series, not you.
Your attitude is what's getting tiresome. Toei doesn't hold the rights to Dragon Ball either, Shueisha does, and it's not like they're gonna ignore Toriyama's intentions for a story he created. Minor inconsistencies certainly don't affect the continuity of the franchise, but major story driven content being completely ignored does. Plot holes like Trunks's mention of 19 and 20 and Cell's regen are nitpicks. Complete ignorance of major plot points like SSJ God, the Hakaishin, and Golden Freeza aren't things you can simply gloss over. You're assuming all this stuff falls on the same continuity, but you have no proof. You're taking a bunch of random ages and assuming they all mesh. I really don't have to accept your point of view, and as result we'll have to agree to disagree.

On a side note, you're pulling that definition of side story out of your a**. Please don't fabricate a definition to support your baseless assumptions.
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people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
goku during EOZ states that he had been training by himself during the ten years before EOZ when he was clearly shown training with whis and vegeta in the new movies. oobs power is of no concern.

its time to stop the nitpicking. its getting tiresome. all events on the timeline are part of the same continuity unless specified otherwise. you cant arbitrarily assume such a thing then ask for proof to invalidate your assumption.
toei puts GT in the same continuity as the new movies and so does the chozenshuu. its over. there isnt a debate to be had. its ridiculous when fans think that they have the authority to decide whats part of the continuity.
you dont decide that, toei and toriyama do. the inconsistencies between GT and the movies are 100% irrelevant. the only thing that matters is that GT, M14 and M15 are put into the same continuity by a head of the series.
If Freeza can get super strong in 4 months, Oob can get super strong in 10 years. Again, I'll ask, where is stated that these events occur on a linear timeline? It's also amusing to me that you're accusing me of nitpicking when you're doing exactly that in regards to BoG/RF and the end of Z. Honestly, you can blindly accept or assume these events exist in the same universe if you want, but I'm going to go with what actually works.
i never said anything about oobs power was inconsistent. during EOZ goku states that all this time he had been training by himself, yet thats proven false by the new movies. it doesnt mean that the movies and EOZ dont happen in the same continuity.

i already said that inconsistencies do not determine whats part of the continuity. the heads of the series determine that. you have ignored that and continued to whine about inconsistencies.

toei stated that GT happens in the same continuity as m14 and m15. they are the heads of the series and are the only ones with the authority to determine where it stands in the continuity. you have ignored this as well and stated that im blindly assuming that they happen in the same continuity.
it would help move things along if you would debate honestly and stop ignoring everything that doesnt indulge your beliefs.
Inconsistencies matter if they aren't minor retcons. Absolutely nothing about about Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are referenced in GT. Seriously, where is SSJGSSJ or Golden Freeza? You can't explain those away as things currently stand. With Trunks mentioning 19 and 20 instead of 17 and 18, you can attribute that to Trunks meddling with time. With Cell's regen, you can assume that as long as there is enough bio mass remaining, he can regen without his core. You can't just write off the fact that Beerus and Whis are nowhere to be seen. You can't just write off the fact that SSJ God or SSJGSSJ aren't mentioned. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza doesn't use his golden form. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza isn't in his own personal Hell. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are Toriyama's products. Toei doesn't determine what happens in Toriyama's universe. Toriyama has outright stated that GT is a grand side story, meaning it isn't part of the same universe. What's more, you have still yet to prove that these events exist on a linear timeline. If all it does is provide ages for existing events, that doesn't mean they all exist in the same continuity. That is an assumption on your part, and is contradicted by the facts and even Toriyama himself.
EDIT: Yeah, as I thought, it provides the ages in which events happen.
Kanzenshuu: Chozenshu 4
 
The visual timeline from Daizenshuu 7 has been given a facelift. While it continues to give the exact dates of the major events in the series, with nearly the exact same textual layout, new events extrapolated from more recent releases have been added. It covers events in the distant past of Dragon Ball, such as the Elder Kaiōshin being sealed in the Z Sword around 75 million years ago, all the way to the end of Dragon Ball GT, which receives an additional two pages not found in the Daizenshuu version. In this respect, it is essentially identical to the timeline used in the “Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL” art exhibition, held in Tokyo and Osaka prior to the book’s release. (For those not familiar with the system of dates on the series, please note that it does not follow the years of the Gregorian calendar, and instead utilizes the fictional “Age” calendar. For example, the battle with Freeza takes place on December 24th, Age 762.)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/chozenshu/vol-04/
no, inconsistencies have zero impact on the continuity. whatever the heads of the series say is part of the continuity is indeed part of the continuity. case closed. your own personal logic is irrelevant.


you do realize that toriyama isnt the sole right holder of dbz right? BOG and FnF are toei productions which toriyama personally worked on. toei has every right to determine whats in the continuity. they have the rights to the series.


the fact that you think GT being a side-story means that it isnt part of the continuity shows your ignorance on this subject. a side-story is merely a story that happens after or alongside the main story. dbz is the main story. gt is its side story.

naruto is the main story. naruto gaiden is narutos side-story. kakashis gaiden is a side-story.

the history of trunks manga is a side-story. dont waste my time bringing up a nonsensical argument like that.


all events on the chozenshuu are part of one continuity unless stated otherwise. im talking about statements by the chozenshuu itself or a head of the series, not you.
Your attitude is what's getting tiresome. Toei doesn't hold the rights to Dragon Ball either, Shueisha does, and it's not like they're gonna ignore Toriyama's intentions for a story he created. Minor inconsistencies certainly don't affect the continuity of the franchise, but major story driven content being completely ignored does. Plot holes like Trunks's mention of 19 and 20 and Cell's regen are nitpicks. Complete ignorance of major plot points like SSJ God, the Hakaishin, and Golden Freeza aren't things you can simply gloss over. You're assuming all this stuff falls on the same continuity, but you have no proof. You're taking a bunch of random ages and assuming they all mesh. I really don't have to accept your point of view, and as result we'll have to agree to disagree.

On a side note, you're pulling that definition of side story out of your a**. Please don't fabricate a definition to support your baseless assumptions.
toei holds the rights for all live dbz productions, so they do hold the rights to the series and they can freely create dbz productions as seen with movies 1-13 and GT.

inconsistencies dont affect the continuity. period. the continuity is determined by the heads of the series and toei stated that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity. i dont know where you got this nonsensical idea that you can cherry pick what is and isnt a part of the continuity.

i gave you numerous examples of side-stories that are a part of the continuity of their series. the term side-story doesnt mean that something isnt part of the continuity. a side-story does happen after or alongside the main story, so i dont know how my definition is fabricated.

sure, we can agree to disagree, but lets not pretend that you actually brought forth any meaningful points.
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people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
goku during EOZ states that he had been training by himself during the ten years before EOZ when he was clearly shown training with whis and vegeta in the new movies. oobs power is of no concern.

its time to stop the nitpicking. its getting tiresome. all events on the timeline are part of the same continuity unless specified otherwise. you cant arbitrarily assume such a thing then ask for proof to invalidate your assumption.
toei puts GT in the same continuity as the new movies and so does the chozenshuu. its over. there isnt a debate to be had. its ridiculous when fans think that they have the authority to decide whats part of the continuity.
you dont decide that, toei and toriyama do. the inconsistencies between GT and the movies are 100% irrelevant. the only thing that matters is that GT, M14 and M15 are put into the same continuity by a head of the series.
If Freeza can get super strong in 4 months, Oob can get super strong in 10 years. Again, I'll ask, where is stated that these events occur on a linear timeline? It's also amusing to me that you're accusing me of nitpicking when you're doing exactly that in regards to BoG/RF and the end of Z. Honestly, you can blindly accept or assume these events exist in the same universe if you want, but I'm going to go with what actually works.
i never said anything about oobs power was inconsistent. during EOZ goku states that all this time he had been training by himself, yet thats proven false by the new movies. it doesnt mean that the movies and EOZ dont happen in the same continuity.

i already said that inconsistencies do not determine whats part of the continuity. the heads of the series determine that. you have ignored that and continued to whine about inconsistencies.

toei stated that GT happens in the same continuity as m14 and m15. they are the heads of the series and are the only ones with the authority to determine where it stands in the continuity. you have ignored this as well and stated that im blindly assuming that they happen in the same continuity.
it would help move things along if you would debate honestly and stop ignoring everything that doesnt indulge your beliefs.
Inconsistencies matter if they aren't minor retcons. Absolutely nothing about about Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are referenced in GT. Seriously, where is SSJGSSJ or Golden Freeza? You can't explain those away as things currently stand. With Trunks mentioning 19 and 20 instead of 17 and 18, you can attribute that to Trunks meddling with time. With Cell's regen, you can assume that as long as there is enough bio mass remaining, he can regen without his core. You can't just write off the fact that Beerus and Whis are nowhere to be seen. You can't just write off the fact that SSJ God or SSJGSSJ aren't mentioned. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza doesn't use his golden form. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza isn't in his own personal Hell. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are Toriyama's products. Toei doesn't determine what happens in Toriyama's universe. Toriyama has outright stated that GT is a grand side story, meaning it isn't part of the same universe. What's more, you have still yet to prove that these events exist on a linear timeline. If all it does is provide ages for existing events, that doesn't mean they all exist in the same continuity. That is an assumption on your part, and is contradicted by the facts and even Toriyama himself.
EDIT: Yeah, as I thought, it provides the ages in which events happen.
Kanzenshuu: Chozenshu 4
 
The visual timeline from Daizenshuu 7 has been given a facelift. While it continues to give the exact dates of the major events in the series, with nearly the exact same textual layout, new events extrapolated from more recent releases have been added. It covers events in the distant past of Dragon Ball, such as the Elder Kaiōshin being sealed in the Z Sword around 75 million years ago, all the way to the end of Dragon Ball GT, which receives an additional two pages not found in the Daizenshuu version. In this respect, it is essentially identical to the timeline used in the “Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL” art exhibition, held in Tokyo and Osaka prior to the book’s release. (For those not familiar with the system of dates on the series, please note that it does not follow the years of the Gregorian calendar, and instead utilizes the fictional “Age” calendar. For example, the battle with Freeza takes place on December 24th, Age 762.)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/chozenshu/vol-04/
no, inconsistencies have zero impact on the continuity. whatever the heads of the series say is part of the continuity is indeed part of the continuity. case closed. your own personal logic is irrelevant.


you do realize that toriyama isnt the sole right holder of dbz right? BOG and FnF are toei productions which toriyama personally worked on. toei has every right to determine whats in the continuity. they have the rights to the series.


the fact that you think GT being a side-story means that it isnt part of the continuity shows your ignorance on this subject. a side-story is merely a story that happens after or alongside the main story. dbz is the main story. gt is its side story.

naruto is the main story. naruto gaiden is narutos side-story. kakashis gaiden is a side-story.

the history of trunks manga is a side-story. dont waste my time bringing up a nonsensical argument like that.


all events on the chozenshuu are part of one continuity unless stated otherwise. im talking about statements by the chozenshuu itself or a head of the series, not you.
Your attitude is what's getting tiresome. Toei doesn't hold the rights to Dragon Ball either, Shueisha does, and it's not like they're gonna ignore Toriyama's intentions for a story he created. Minor inconsistencies certainly don't affect the continuity of the franchise, but major story driven content being completely ignored does. Plot holes like Trunks's mention of 19 and 20 and Cell's regen are nitpicks. Complete ignorance of major plot points like SSJ God, the Hakaishin, and Golden Freeza aren't things you can simply gloss over. You're assuming all this stuff falls on the same continuity, but you have no proof. You're taking a bunch of random ages and assuming they all mesh. I really don't have to accept your point of view, and as result we'll have to agree to disagree.

On a side note, you're pulling that definition of side story out of your a**. Please don't fabricate a definition to support your baseless assumptions.
toei holds the rights for all live dbz productions, so they do hold the rights to the series and they can freely create dbz productions as seen with movies 1-13 and GT.

inconsistencies dont affect the continuity. period. the continuity is determined by the heads of the series and toei stated that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity. i dont know where you got this nonsensical idea that you can cherry pick what is and isnt a part of the continuity.

i gave you numerous examples of side-stories that are a part of the continuity of their series. the term side-story doesnt mean that something isnt part of the continuity. a side-story does happen after or alongside the main story, so i dont know how my definition is fabricated.

sure, we can agree to disagree, but lets not pretend that you actually brought forth any meaningful points.
Yup, it would appear that Toei does own the rights. Anyway, yeah, continuity is determined by the rights holders. Problem is, nothing has been decided on. All we know for sure is that X event happens in age Y. I'm sure Shueisha is smart enough to realize that BoG and RF absolutely don't mesh with GT, and your attempts to prove that all these events exist in one continuity is ultimately futile as nothing suggests they do other than your own assumptions. BTW, I recommend dropping the attitude. You're indignant tone is very childish given the subject matter.
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people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
goku during EOZ states that he had been training by himself during the ten years before EOZ when he was clearly shown training with whis and vegeta in the new movies. oobs power is of no concern.

its time to stop the nitpicking. its getting tiresome. all events on the timeline are part of the same continuity unless specified otherwise. you cant arbitrarily assume such a thing then ask for proof to invalidate your assumption.
toei puts GT in the same continuity as the new movies and so does the chozenshuu. its over. there isnt a debate to be had. its ridiculous when fans think that they have the authority to decide whats part of the continuity.
you dont decide that, toei and toriyama do. the inconsistencies between GT and the movies are 100% irrelevant. the only thing that matters is that GT, M14 and M15 are put into the same continuity by a head of the series.
If Freeza can get super strong in 4 months, Oob can get super strong in 10 years. Again, I'll ask, where is stated that these events occur on a linear timeline? It's also amusing to me that you're accusing me of nitpicking when you're doing exactly that in regards to BoG/RF and the end of Z. Honestly, you can blindly accept or assume these events exist in the same universe if you want, but I'm going to go with what actually works.
i never said anything about oobs power was inconsistent. during EOZ goku states that all this time he had been training by himself, yet thats proven false by the new movies. it doesnt mean that the movies and EOZ dont happen in the same continuity.

i already said that inconsistencies do not determine whats part of the continuity. the heads of the series determine that. you have ignored that and continued to whine about inconsistencies.

toei stated that GT happens in the same continuity as m14 and m15. they are the heads of the series and are the only ones with the authority to determine where it stands in the continuity. you have ignored this as well and stated that im blindly assuming that they happen in the same continuity.
it would help move things along if you would debate honestly and stop ignoring everything that doesnt indulge your beliefs.
Inconsistencies matter if they aren't minor retcons. Absolutely nothing about about Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are referenced in GT. Seriously, where is SSJGSSJ or Golden Freeza? You can't explain those away as things currently stand. With Trunks mentioning 19 and 20 instead of 17 and 18, you can attribute that to Trunks meddling with time. With Cell's regen, you can assume that as long as there is enough bio mass remaining, he can regen without his core. You can't just write off the fact that Beerus and Whis are nowhere to be seen. You can't just write off the fact that SSJ God or SSJGSSJ aren't mentioned. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza doesn't use his golden form. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza isn't in his own personal Hell. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are Toriyama's products. Toei doesn't determine what happens in Toriyama's universe. Toriyama has outright stated that GT is a grand side story, meaning it isn't part of the same universe. What's more, you have still yet to prove that these events exist on a linear timeline. If all it does is provide ages for existing events, that doesn't mean they all exist in the same continuity. That is an assumption on your part, and is contradicted by the facts and even Toriyama himself.
EDIT: Yeah, as I thought, it provides the ages in which events happen.
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The visual timeline from Daizenshuu 7 has been given a facelift. While it continues to give the exact dates of the major events in the series, with nearly the exact same textual layout, new events extrapolated from more recent releases have been added. It covers events in the distant past of Dragon Ball, such as the Elder Kaiōshin being sealed in the Z Sword around 75 million years ago, all the way to the end of Dragon Ball GT, which receives an additional two pages not found in the Daizenshuu version. In this respect, it is essentially identical to the timeline used in the “Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL” art exhibition, held in Tokyo and Osaka prior to the book’s release. (For those not familiar with the system of dates on the series, please note that it does not follow the years of the Gregorian calendar, and instead utilizes the fictional “Age” calendar. For example, the battle with Freeza takes place on December 24th, Age 762.)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/chozenshu/vol-04/
no, inconsistencies have zero impact on the continuity. whatever the heads of the series say is part of the continuity is indeed part of the continuity. case closed. your own personal logic is irrelevant.


you do realize that toriyama isnt the sole right holder of dbz right? BOG and FnF are toei productions which toriyama personally worked on. toei has every right to determine whats in the continuity. they have the rights to the series.


the fact that you think GT being a side-story means that it isnt part of the continuity shows your ignorance on this subject. a side-story is merely a story that happens after or alongside the main story. dbz is the main story. gt is its side story.

naruto is the main story. naruto gaiden is narutos side-story. kakashis gaiden is a side-story.

the history of trunks manga is a side-story. dont waste my time bringing up a nonsensical argument like that.


all events on the chozenshuu are part of one continuity unless stated otherwise. im talking about statements by the chozenshuu itself or a head of the series, not you.
Your attitude is what's getting tiresome. Toei doesn't hold the rights to Dragon Ball either, Shueisha does, and it's not like they're gonna ignore Toriyama's intentions for a story he created. Minor inconsistencies certainly don't affect the continuity of the franchise, but major story driven content being completely ignored does. Plot holes like Trunks's mention of 19 and 20 and Cell's regen are nitpicks. Complete ignorance of major plot points like SSJ God, the Hakaishin, and Golden Freeza aren't things you can simply gloss over. You're assuming all this stuff falls on the same continuity, but you have no proof. You're taking a bunch of random ages and assuming they all mesh. I really don't have to accept your point of view, and as result we'll have to agree to disagree.

On a side note, you're pulling that definition of side story out of your a**. Please don't fabricate a definition to support your baseless assumptions.
toei holds the rights for all live dbz productions, so they do hold the rights to the series and they can freely create dbz productions as seen with movies 1-13 and GT.

inconsistencies dont affect the continuity. period. the continuity is determined by the heads of the series and toei stated that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity. i dont know where you got this nonsensical idea that you can cherry pick what is and isnt a part of the continuity.

i gave you numerous examples of side-stories that are a part of the continuity of their series. the term side-story doesnt mean that something isnt part of the continuity. a side-story does happen after or alongside the main story, so i dont know how my definition is fabricated.

sure, we can agree to disagree, but lets not pretend that you actually brought forth any meaningful points.
Yup, it would appear that Toei does own the rights. Anyway, yeah, continuity is determined by the rights holders. Problem is, nothing has been decided on. All we know for sure is that X event happens in age Y. I'm sure Shueisha is smart enough to realize that BoG and RF absolutely don't mesh with GT, and your attempts to prove that all these events exist in one continuity is ultimately futile as nothing suggests they do other than your own assumptions. BTW, I recommend dropping the attitude. You're indignant tone is very childish given the subject matter.
toei stated in the press release for BOG that the events happened before GT. if you are recognizing the fact that the right holders do indeed determine the continuity and toei stated that BOG happened before GT, what are you arguing about?
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goku during EOZ states that he had been training by himself during the ten years before EOZ when he was clearly shown training with whis and vegeta in the new movies. oobs power is of no concern.

its time to stop the nitpicking. its getting tiresome. all events on the timeline are part of the same continuity unless specified otherwise. you cant arbitrarily assume such a thing then ask for proof to invalidate your assumption.
toei puts GT in the same continuity as the new movies and so does the chozenshuu. its over. there isnt a debate to be had. its ridiculous when fans think that they have the authority to decide whats part of the continuity.
you dont decide that, toei and toriyama do. the inconsistencies between GT and the movies are 100% irrelevant. the only thing that matters is that GT, M14 and M15 are put into the same continuity by a head of the series.
If Freeza can get super strong in 4 months, Oob can get super strong in 10 years. Again, I'll ask, where is stated that these events occur on a linear timeline? It's also amusing to me that you're accusing me of nitpicking when you're doing exactly that in regards to BoG/RF and the end of Z. Honestly, you can blindly accept or assume these events exist in the same universe if you want, but I'm going to go with what actually works.
i never said anything about oobs power was inconsistent. during EOZ goku states that all this time he had been training by himself, yet thats proven false by the new movies. it doesnt mean that the movies and EOZ dont happen in the same continuity.

i already said that inconsistencies do not determine whats part of the continuity. the heads of the series determine that. you have ignored that and continued to whine about inconsistencies.

toei stated that GT happens in the same continuity as m14 and m15. they are the heads of the series and are the only ones with the authority to determine where it stands in the continuity. you have ignored this as well and stated that im blindly assuming that they happen in the same continuity.
it would help move things along if you would debate honestly and stop ignoring everything that doesnt indulge your beliefs.
Inconsistencies matter if they aren't minor retcons. Absolutely nothing about about Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are referenced in GT. Seriously, where is SSJGSSJ or Golden Freeza? You can't explain those away as things currently stand. With Trunks mentioning 19 and 20 instead of 17 and 18, you can attribute that to Trunks meddling with time. With Cell's regen, you can assume that as long as there is enough bio mass remaining, he can regen without his core. You can't just write off the fact that Beerus and Whis are nowhere to be seen. You can't just write off the fact that SSJ God or SSJGSSJ aren't mentioned. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza doesn't use his golden form. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza isn't in his own personal Hell. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are Toriyama's products. Toei doesn't determine what happens in Toriyama's universe. Toriyama has outright stated that GT is a grand side story, meaning it isn't part of the same universe. What's more, you have still yet to prove that these events exist on a linear timeline. If all it does is provide ages for existing events, that doesn't mean they all exist in the same continuity. That is an assumption on your part, and is contradicted by the facts and even Toriyama himself.
EDIT: Yeah, as I thought, it provides the ages in which events happen.
Kanzenshuu: Chozenshu 4
 
The visual timeline from Daizenshuu 7 has been given a facelift. While it continues to give the exact dates of the major events in the series, with nearly the exact same textual layout, new events extrapolated from more recent releases have been added. It covers events in the distant past of Dragon Ball, such as the Elder Kaiōshin being sealed in the Z Sword around 75 million years ago, all the way to the end of Dragon Ball GT, which receives an additional two pages not found in the Daizenshuu version. In this respect, it is essentially identical to the timeline used in the “Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL” art exhibition, held in Tokyo and Osaka prior to the book’s release. (For those not familiar with the system of dates on the series, please note that it does not follow the years of the Gregorian calendar, and instead utilizes the fictional “Age” calendar. For example, the battle with Freeza takes place on December 24th, Age 762.)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/chozenshu/vol-04/
no, inconsistencies have zero impact on the continuity. whatever the heads of the series say is part of the continuity is indeed part of the continuity. case closed. your own personal logic is irrelevant.


you do realize that toriyama isnt the sole right holder of dbz right? BOG and FnF are toei productions which toriyama personally worked on. toei has every right to determine whats in the continuity. they have the rights to the series.


the fact that you think GT being a side-story means that it isnt part of the continuity shows your ignorance on this subject. a side-story is merely a story that happens after or alongside the main story. dbz is the main story. gt is its side story.

naruto is the main story. naruto gaiden is narutos side-story. kakashis gaiden is a side-story.

the history of trunks manga is a side-story. dont waste my time bringing up a nonsensical argument like that.


all events on the chozenshuu are part of one continuity unless stated otherwise. im talking about statements by the chozenshuu itself or a head of the series, not you.
Your attitude is what's getting tiresome. Toei doesn't hold the rights to Dragon Ball either, Shueisha does, and it's not like they're gonna ignore Toriyama's intentions for a story he created. Minor inconsistencies certainly don't affect the continuity of the franchise, but major story driven content being completely ignored does. Plot holes like Trunks's mention of 19 and 20 and Cell's regen are nitpicks. Complete ignorance of major plot points like SSJ God, the Hakaishin, and Golden Freeza aren't things you can simply gloss over. You're assuming all this stuff falls on the same continuity, but you have no proof. You're taking a bunch of random ages and assuming they all mesh. I really don't have to accept your point of view, and as result we'll have to agree to disagree.

On a side note, you're pulling that definition of side story out of your a**. Please don't fabricate a definition to support your baseless assumptions.
toei holds the rights for all live dbz productions, so they do hold the rights to the series and they can freely create dbz productions as seen with movies 1-13 and GT.

inconsistencies dont affect the continuity. period. the continuity is determined by the heads of the series and toei stated that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity. i dont know where you got this nonsensical idea that you can cherry pick what is and isnt a part of the continuity.

i gave you numerous examples of side-stories that are a part of the continuity of their series. the term side-story doesnt mean that something isnt part of the continuity. a side-story does happen after or alongside the main story, so i dont know how my definition is fabricated.

sure, we can agree to disagree, but lets not pretend that you actually brought forth any meaningful points.
Yup, it would appear that Toei does own the rights. Anyway, yeah, continuity is determined by the rights holders. Problem is, nothing has been decided on. All we know for sure is that X event happens in age Y. I'm sure Shueisha is smart enough to realize that BoG and RF absolutely don't mesh with GT, and your attempts to prove that all these events exist in one continuity is ultimately futile as nothing suggests they do other than your own assumptions. BTW, I recommend dropping the attitude. You're indignant tone is very childish given the subject matter.
toei stated in the press release for BOG that the events happened before GT. if you are recognizing the fact that the right holders do indeed determine the continuity and toei stated that BOG happened before GT, what are you arguing about?
Battle of Gods does happen before GT on the age chart. That doesn't mean they are part of the same continuity.
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If Freeza can get super strong in 4 months, Oob can get super strong in 10 years. Again, I'll ask, where is stated that these events occur on a linear timeline? It's also amusing to me that you're accusing me of nitpicking when you're doing exactly that in regards to BoG/RF and the end of Z. Honestly, you can blindly accept or assume these events exist in the same universe if you want, but I'm going to go with what actually works.
i never said anything about oobs power was inconsistent. during EOZ goku states that all this time he had been training by himself, yet thats proven false by the new movies. it doesnt mean that the movies and EOZ dont happen in the same continuity.

i already said that inconsistencies do not determine whats part of the continuity. the heads of the series determine that. you have ignored that and continued to whine about inconsistencies.

toei stated that GT happens in the same continuity as m14 and m15. they are the heads of the series and are the only ones with the authority to determine where it stands in the continuity. you have ignored this as well and stated that im blindly assuming that they happen in the same continuity.
it would help move things along if you would debate honestly and stop ignoring everything that doesnt indulge your beliefs.
Inconsistencies matter if they aren't minor retcons. Absolutely nothing about about Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are referenced in GT. Seriously, where is SSJGSSJ or Golden Freeza? You can't explain those away as things currently stand. With Trunks mentioning 19 and 20 instead of 17 and 18, you can attribute that to Trunks meddling with time. With Cell's regen, you can assume that as long as there is enough bio mass remaining, he can regen without his core. You can't just write off the fact that Beerus and Whis are nowhere to be seen. You can't just write off the fact that SSJ God or SSJGSSJ aren't mentioned. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza doesn't use his golden form. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza isn't in his own personal Hell. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are Toriyama's products. Toei doesn't determine what happens in Toriyama's universe. Toriyama has outright stated that GT is a grand side story, meaning it isn't part of the same universe. What's more, you have still yet to prove that these events exist on a linear timeline. If all it does is provide ages for existing events, that doesn't mean they all exist in the same continuity. That is an assumption on your part, and is contradicted by the facts and even Toriyama himself.
EDIT: Yeah, as I thought, it provides the ages in which events happen.
Kanzenshuu: Chozenshu 4
 
The visual timeline from Daizenshuu 7 has been given a facelift. While it continues to give the exact dates of the major events in the series, with nearly the exact same textual layout, new events extrapolated from more recent releases have been added. It covers events in the distant past of Dragon Ball, such as the Elder Kaiōshin being sealed in the Z Sword around 75 million years ago, all the way to the end of Dragon Ball GT, which receives an additional two pages not found in the Daizenshuu version. In this respect, it is essentially identical to the timeline used in the “Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL” art exhibition, held in Tokyo and Osaka prior to the book’s release. (For those not familiar with the system of dates on the series, please note that it does not follow the years of the Gregorian calendar, and instead utilizes the fictional “Age” calendar. For example, the battle with Freeza takes place on December 24th, Age 762.)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/chozenshu/vol-04/
no, inconsistencies have zero impact on the continuity. whatever the heads of the series say is part of the continuity is indeed part of the continuity. case closed. your own personal logic is irrelevant.


you do realize that toriyama isnt the sole right holder of dbz right? BOG and FnF are toei productions which toriyama personally worked on. toei has every right to determine whats in the continuity. they have the rights to the series.


the fact that you think GT being a side-story means that it isnt part of the continuity shows your ignorance on this subject. a side-story is merely a story that happens after or alongside the main story. dbz is the main story. gt is its side story.

naruto is the main story. naruto gaiden is narutos side-story. kakashis gaiden is a side-story.

the history of trunks manga is a side-story. dont waste my time bringing up a nonsensical argument like that.


all events on the chozenshuu are part of one continuity unless stated otherwise. im talking about statements by the chozenshuu itself or a head of the series, not you.
Your attitude is what's getting tiresome. Toei doesn't hold the rights to Dragon Ball either, Shueisha does, and it's not like they're gonna ignore Toriyama's intentions for a story he created. Minor inconsistencies certainly don't affect the continuity of the franchise, but major story driven content being completely ignored does. Plot holes like Trunks's mention of 19 and 20 and Cell's regen are nitpicks. Complete ignorance of major plot points like SSJ God, the Hakaishin, and Golden Freeza aren't things you can simply gloss over. You're assuming all this stuff falls on the same continuity, but you have no proof. You're taking a bunch of random ages and assuming they all mesh. I really don't have to accept your point of view, and as result we'll have to agree to disagree.

On a side note, you're pulling that definition of side story out of your a**. Please don't fabricate a definition to support your baseless assumptions.
toei holds the rights for all live dbz productions, so they do hold the rights to the series and they can freely create dbz productions as seen with movies 1-13 and GT.

inconsistencies dont affect the continuity. period. the continuity is determined by the heads of the series and toei stated that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity. i dont know where you got this nonsensical idea that you can cherry pick what is and isnt a part of the continuity.

i gave you numerous examples of side-stories that are a part of the continuity of their series. the term side-story doesnt mean that something isnt part of the continuity. a side-story does happen after or alongside the main story, so i dont know how my definition is fabricated.

sure, we can agree to disagree, but lets not pretend that you actually brought forth any meaningful points.
Yup, it would appear that Toei does own the rights. Anyway, yeah, continuity is determined by the rights holders. Problem is, nothing has been decided on. All we know for sure is that X event happens in age Y. I'm sure Shueisha is smart enough to realize that BoG and RF absolutely don't mesh with GT, and your attempts to prove that all these events exist in one continuity is ultimately futile as nothing suggests they do other than your own assumptions. BTW, I recommend dropping the attitude. You're indignant tone is very childish given the subject matter.
toei stated in the press release for BOG that the events happened before GT. if you are recognizing the fact that the right holders do indeed determine the continuity and toei stated that BOG happened before GT, what are you arguing about?
Battle of Gods does happen before GT on the age chart. That doesn't mean they are part of the same continuity.
um, no. thats simply intellectual dishonesty on your part. the manga, m14, m15 and GT are all in the same continuity unless stated otherwise by a head of the series.

you are the one assuming when you say that the new movies and GT happen in different continuities, because thats not stated by a head of the series. you can extrapolate the same nonsensical logic to say that the movies arent in the same continuity as the final chapter of the manga. theres simply no basis for what you are saying. the heads of the series definitely dont support your argument.

toei stating that BOG happen in between GT and the boo saga puts them in the same continuity. case closed, im done here.
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i never said anything about oobs power was inconsistent. during EOZ goku states that all this time he had been training by himself, yet thats proven false by the new movies. it doesnt mean that the movies and EOZ dont happen in the same continuity.

i already said that inconsistencies do not determine whats part of the continuity. the heads of the series determine that. you have ignored that and continued to whine about inconsistencies.

toei stated that GT happens in the same continuity as m14 and m15. they are the heads of the series and are the only ones with the authority to determine where it stands in the continuity. you have ignored this as well and stated that im blindly assuming that they happen in the same continuity.
it would help move things along if you would debate honestly and stop ignoring everything that doesnt indulge your beliefs.
Inconsistencies matter if they aren't minor retcons. Absolutely nothing about about Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are referenced in GT. Seriously, where is SSJGSSJ or Golden Freeza? You can't explain those away as things currently stand. With Trunks mentioning 19 and 20 instead of 17 and 18, you can attribute that to Trunks meddling with time. With Cell's regen, you can assume that as long as there is enough bio mass remaining, he can regen without his core. You can't just write off the fact that Beerus and Whis are nowhere to be seen. You can't just write off the fact that SSJ God or SSJGSSJ aren't mentioned. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza doesn't use his golden form. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza isn't in his own personal Hell. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are Toriyama's products. Toei doesn't determine what happens in Toriyama's universe. Toriyama has outright stated that GT is a grand side story, meaning it isn't part of the same universe. What's more, you have still yet to prove that these events exist on a linear timeline. If all it does is provide ages for existing events, that doesn't mean they all exist in the same continuity. That is an assumption on your part, and is contradicted by the facts and even Toriyama himself.
EDIT: Yeah, as I thought, it provides the ages in which events happen.
Kanzenshuu: Chozenshu 4
 
The visual timeline from Daizenshuu 7 has been given a facelift. While it continues to give the exact dates of the major events in the series, with nearly the exact same textual layout, new events extrapolated from more recent releases have been added. It covers events in the distant past of Dragon Ball, such as the Elder Kaiōshin being sealed in the Z Sword around 75 million years ago, all the way to the end of Dragon Ball GT, which receives an additional two pages not found in the Daizenshuu version. In this respect, it is essentially identical to the timeline used in the “Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL” art exhibition, held in Tokyo and Osaka prior to the book’s release. (For those not familiar with the system of dates on the series, please note that it does not follow the years of the Gregorian calendar, and instead utilizes the fictional “Age” calendar. For example, the battle with Freeza takes place on December 24th, Age 762.)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/chozenshu/vol-04/
no, inconsistencies have zero impact on the continuity. whatever the heads of the series say is part of the continuity is indeed part of the continuity. case closed. your own personal logic is irrelevant.


you do realize that toriyama isnt the sole right holder of dbz right? BOG and FnF are toei productions which toriyama personally worked on. toei has every right to determine whats in the continuity. they have the rights to the series.


the fact that you think GT being a side-story means that it isnt part of the continuity shows your ignorance on this subject. a side-story is merely a story that happens after or alongside the main story. dbz is the main story. gt is its side story.

naruto is the main story. naruto gaiden is narutos side-story. kakashis gaiden is a side-story.

the history of trunks manga is a side-story. dont waste my time bringing up a nonsensical argument like that.


all events on the chozenshuu are part of one continuity unless stated otherwise. im talking about statements by the chozenshuu itself or a head of the series, not you.
Your attitude is what's getting tiresome. Toei doesn't hold the rights to Dragon Ball either, Shueisha does, and it's not like they're gonna ignore Toriyama's intentions for a story he created. Minor inconsistencies certainly don't affect the continuity of the franchise, but major story driven content being completely ignored does. Plot holes like Trunks's mention of 19 and 20 and Cell's regen are nitpicks. Complete ignorance of major plot points like SSJ God, the Hakaishin, and Golden Freeza aren't things you can simply gloss over. You're assuming all this stuff falls on the same continuity, but you have no proof. You're taking a bunch of random ages and assuming they all mesh. I really don't have to accept your point of view, and as result we'll have to agree to disagree.

On a side note, you're pulling that definition of side story out of your a**. Please don't fabricate a definition to support your baseless assumptions.
toei holds the rights for all live dbz productions, so they do hold the rights to the series and they can freely create dbz productions as seen with movies 1-13 and GT.

inconsistencies dont affect the continuity. period. the continuity is determined by the heads of the series and toei stated that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity. i dont know where you got this nonsensical idea that you can cherry pick what is and isnt a part of the continuity.

i gave you numerous examples of side-stories that are a part of the continuity of their series. the term side-story doesnt mean that something isnt part of the continuity. a side-story does happen after or alongside the main story, so i dont know how my definition is fabricated.

sure, we can agree to disagree, but lets not pretend that you actually brought forth any meaningful points.
Yup, it would appear that Toei does own the rights. Anyway, yeah, continuity is determined by the rights holders. Problem is, nothing has been decided on. All we know for sure is that X event happens in age Y. I'm sure Shueisha is smart enough to realize that BoG and RF absolutely don't mesh with GT, and your attempts to prove that all these events exist in one continuity is ultimately futile as nothing suggests they do other than your own assumptions. BTW, I recommend dropping the attitude. You're indignant tone is very childish given the subject matter.
toei stated in the press release for BOG that the events happened before GT. if you are recognizing the fact that the right holders do indeed determine the continuity and toei stated that BOG happened before GT, what are you arguing about?
Battle of Gods does happen before GT on the age chart. That doesn't mean they are part of the same continuity.
um, no. thats simply intellectual dishonesty on your part. the manga, m14, m15 and GT are all in the same continuity unless stated otherwise by a head of the series.

you are the one assuming when you say that the new movies and GT happen in different continuities, because thats not stated by a head of the series. you can extrapolate the same nonsensical logic to say that the movies arent in the same continuity as the final chapter of the manga. theres simply no basis for what you are saying. the heads of the series definitely dont support your argument.

toei stating that BOG happen in between GT and the boo saga puts them in the same continuity. case closed, im done here.
Intellectual dishonesty? Buddy, the whole "This is how it is unless stated otherwise" nonsense is circular reasoning. I could very easily counter that with a where's it stated that they are part of the same continuity? I may be working off assumptions, the same as you, but my assumptions are backed by the facts and the facts are that major plot elements within Battle of Gods and Resurrection F simply are ignored, which makes it hard to accept that these things could exist in the same continuity. Did Goku just forget he could use SSJGSSJ? No, that'd be stupid, and would reflect very poorly on the rights holders. The manga may have inconsistencies too, but major story elements were never forgotten in favor of something else. As for the final chapters of the manga, it's very short, and there's no need to reference these newer films because of that. Goku doesn't use SSJ, so that's not contradicting SSJGSSJ, and Freeza doesn't come back without a golden form, so that's not contradicting Golden Freeza. Claiming Battle of Gods happens between the Majin Boo arc and GT does not inherently mean they exist in the same continuity. Seriously, Battle of Gods can happen in Universe A in age 778 and GT can happen in Universe B in age 789. Battle of Gods still comes before GT in a split timeline.
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Inconsistencies matter if they aren't minor retcons. Absolutely nothing about about Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are referenced in GT. Seriously, where is SSJGSSJ or Golden Freeza? You can't explain those away as things currently stand. With Trunks mentioning 19 and 20 instead of 17 and 18, you can attribute that to Trunks meddling with time. With Cell's regen, you can assume that as long as there is enough bio mass remaining, he can regen without his core. You can't just write off the fact that Beerus and Whis are nowhere to be seen. You can't just write off the fact that SSJ God or SSJGSSJ aren't mentioned. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza doesn't use his golden form. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza isn't in his own personal Hell. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are Toriyama's products. Toei doesn't determine what happens in Toriyama's universe. Toriyama has outright stated that GT is a grand side story, meaning it isn't part of the same universe. What's more, you have still yet to prove that these events exist on a linear timeline. If all it does is provide ages for existing events, that doesn't mean they all exist in the same continuity. That is an assumption on your part, and is contradicted by the facts and even Toriyama himself.
EDIT: Yeah, as I thought, it provides the ages in which events happen.
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The visual timeline from Daizenshuu 7 has been given a facelift. While it continues to give the exact dates of the major events in the series, with nearly the exact same textual layout, new events extrapolated from more recent releases have been added. It covers events in the distant past of Dragon Ball, such as the Elder Kaiōshin being sealed in the Z Sword around 75 million years ago, all the way to the end of Dragon Ball GT, which receives an additional two pages not found in the Daizenshuu version. In this respect, it is essentially identical to the timeline used in the “Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL” art exhibition, held in Tokyo and Osaka prior to the book’s release. (For those not familiar with the system of dates on the series, please note that it does not follow the years of the Gregorian calendar, and instead utilizes the fictional “Age” calendar. For example, the battle with Freeza takes place on December 24th, Age 762.)
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no, inconsistencies have zero impact on the continuity. whatever the heads of the series say is part of the continuity is indeed part of the continuity. case closed. your own personal logic is irrelevant.


you do realize that toriyama isnt the sole right holder of dbz right? BOG and FnF are toei productions which toriyama personally worked on. toei has every right to determine whats in the continuity. they have the rights to the series.


the fact that you think GT being a side-story means that it isnt part of the continuity shows your ignorance on this subject. a side-story is merely a story that happens after or alongside the main story. dbz is the main story. gt is its side story.

naruto is the main story. naruto gaiden is narutos side-story. kakashis gaiden is a side-story.

the history of trunks manga is a side-story. dont waste my time bringing up a nonsensical argument like that.


all events on the chozenshuu are part of one continuity unless stated otherwise. im talking about statements by the chozenshuu itself or a head of the series, not you.
Your attitude is what's getting tiresome. Toei doesn't hold the rights to Dragon Ball either, Shueisha does, and it's not like they're gonna ignore Toriyama's intentions for a story he created. Minor inconsistencies certainly don't affect the continuity of the franchise, but major story driven content being completely ignored does. Plot holes like Trunks's mention of 19 and 20 and Cell's regen are nitpicks. Complete ignorance of major plot points like SSJ God, the Hakaishin, and Golden Freeza aren't things you can simply gloss over. You're assuming all this stuff falls on the same continuity, but you have no proof. You're taking a bunch of random ages and assuming they all mesh. I really don't have to accept your point of view, and as result we'll have to agree to disagree.

On a side note, you're pulling that definition of side story out of your a**. Please don't fabricate a definition to support your baseless assumptions.
toei holds the rights for all live dbz productions, so they do hold the rights to the series and they can freely create dbz productions as seen with movies 1-13 and GT.

inconsistencies dont affect the continuity. period. the continuity is determined by the heads of the series and toei stated that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity. i dont know where you got this nonsensical idea that you can cherry pick what is and isnt a part of the continuity.

i gave you numerous examples of side-stories that are a part of the continuity of their series. the term side-story doesnt mean that something isnt part of the continuity. a side-story does happen after or alongside the main story, so i dont know how my definition is fabricated.

sure, we can agree to disagree, but lets not pretend that you actually brought forth any meaningful points.
Yup, it would appear that Toei does own the rights. Anyway, yeah, continuity is determined by the rights holders. Problem is, nothing has been decided on. All we know for sure is that X event happens in age Y. I'm sure Shueisha is smart enough to realize that BoG and RF absolutely don't mesh with GT, and your attempts to prove that all these events exist in one continuity is ultimately futile as nothing suggests they do other than your own assumptions. BTW, I recommend dropping the attitude. You're indignant tone is very childish given the subject matter.
toei stated in the press release for BOG that the events happened before GT. if you are recognizing the fact that the right holders do indeed determine the continuity and toei stated that BOG happened before GT, what are you arguing about?
Battle of Gods does happen before GT on the age chart. That doesn't mean they are part of the same continuity.
um, no. thats simply intellectual dishonesty on your part. the manga, m14, m15 and GT are all in the same continuity unless stated otherwise by a head of the series.

you are the one assuming when you say that the new movies and GT happen in different continuities, because thats not stated by a head of the series. you can extrapolate the same nonsensical logic to say that the movies arent in the same continuity as the final chapter of the manga. theres simply no basis for what you are saying. the heads of the series definitely dont support your argument.

toei stating that BOG happen in between GT and the boo saga puts them in the same continuity. case closed, im done here.
Intellectual dishonesty? Buddy, the whole "This is how it is unless stated otherwise" nonsense is circular reasoning. I could very easily counter that with a where's it stated that they are part of the same continuity? I may be working off assumptions, the same as you, but my assumptions are backed by the facts and the facts are that major plot elements within Battle of Gods and Resurrection F simply are ignored, which makes it hard to accept that these things could exist in the same continuity. Did Goku just forget he could use SSJGSSJ? No, that'd be stupid, and would reflect very poorly on the rights holders. The manga may have inconsistencies too, but major story elements were never forgotten in favor of something else. As for the final chapters of the manga, it's very short, and there's no need to reference these newer films because of that. Goku doesn't use SSJ, so that's not contradicting SSJGSSJ, and Freeza doesn't come back without a golden form, so that's not contradicting Golden Freeza. Claiming Battle of Gods happens between the Majin Boo arc and GT does not inherently mean they exist in the same continuity. Seriously, Battle of Gods can happen in Universe A in age 778 and GT can happen in Universe B in age 789. Battle of Gods still comes before GT in a split timeline.
what split timeline? thats never stated. now you're just wasting my time.


toriyama referencing movies 1-13: these happen in a different dimension.


toriyama referencing GT: this is dragonballs side-story.
toei referencing BOG: this happens between GT and the boo saga. its chapter 517.5 of the manga

there is no split timeline. toei and toriyama already put GT in the same continuity as the story in manga. BOG and FnF follows the timeline shown in the manga therefore it follows that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity.


asking me for a statement that GT and BOG are in the same continuity is not a valid question. by this logic, you should also be providing statements stating that the movies and the manga are in the same continuity. all of these events happen in one continuity unless a head of the series says otherwise.
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no, inconsistencies have zero impact on the continuity. whatever the heads of the series say is part of the continuity is indeed part of the continuity. case closed. your own personal logic is irrelevant.


you do realize that toriyama isnt the sole right holder of dbz right? BOG and FnF are toei productions which toriyama personally worked on. toei has every right to determine whats in the continuity. they have the rights to the series.


the fact that you think GT being a side-story means that it isnt part of the continuity shows your ignorance on this subject. a side-story is merely a story that happens after or alongside the main story. dbz is the main story. gt is its side story.

naruto is the main story. naruto gaiden is narutos side-story. kakashis gaiden is a side-story.

the history of trunks manga is a side-story. dont waste my time bringing up a nonsensical argument like that.


all events on the chozenshuu are part of one continuity unless stated otherwise. im talking about statements by the chozenshuu itself or a head of the series, not you.
Your attitude is what's getting tiresome. Toei doesn't hold the rights to Dragon Ball either, Shueisha does, and it's not like they're gonna ignore Toriyama's intentions for a story he created. Minor inconsistencies certainly don't affect the continuity of the franchise, but major story driven content being completely ignored does. Plot holes like Trunks's mention of 19 and 20 and Cell's regen are nitpicks. Complete ignorance of major plot points like SSJ God, the Hakaishin, and Golden Freeza aren't things you can simply gloss over. You're assuming all this stuff falls on the same continuity, but you have no proof. You're taking a bunch of random ages and assuming they all mesh. I really don't have to accept your point of view, and as result we'll have to agree to disagree.

On a side note, you're pulling that definition of side story out of your a**. Please don't fabricate a definition to support your baseless assumptions.
toei holds the rights for all live dbz productions, so they do hold the rights to the series and they can freely create dbz productions as seen with movies 1-13 and GT.

inconsistencies dont affect the continuity. period. the continuity is determined by the heads of the series and toei stated that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity. i dont know where you got this nonsensical idea that you can cherry pick what is and isnt a part of the continuity.

i gave you numerous examples of side-stories that are a part of the continuity of their series. the term side-story doesnt mean that something isnt part of the continuity. a side-story does happen after or alongside the main story, so i dont know how my definition is fabricated.

sure, we can agree to disagree, but lets not pretend that you actually brought forth any meaningful points.
Yup, it would appear that Toei does own the rights. Anyway, yeah, continuity is determined by the rights holders. Problem is, nothing has been decided on. All we know for sure is that X event happens in age Y. I'm sure Shueisha is smart enough to realize that BoG and RF absolutely don't mesh with GT, and your attempts to prove that all these events exist in one continuity is ultimately futile as nothing suggests they do other than your own assumptions. BTW, I recommend dropping the attitude. You're indignant tone is very childish given the subject matter.
toei stated in the press release for BOG that the events happened before GT. if you are recognizing the fact that the right holders do indeed determine the continuity and toei stated that BOG happened before GT, what are you arguing about?
Battle of Gods does happen before GT on the age chart. That doesn't mean they are part of the same continuity.
um, no. thats simply intellectual dishonesty on your part. the manga, m14, m15 and GT are all in the same continuity unless stated otherwise by a head of the series.

you are the one assuming when you say that the new movies and GT happen in different continuities, because thats not stated by a head of the series. you can extrapolate the same nonsensical logic to say that the movies arent in the same continuity as the final chapter of the manga. theres simply no basis for what you are saying. the heads of the series definitely dont support your argument.

toei stating that BOG happen in between GT and the boo saga puts them in the same continuity. case closed, im done here.
Intellectual dishonesty? Buddy, the whole "This is how it is unless stated otherwise" nonsense is circular reasoning. I could very easily counter that with a where's it stated that they are part of the same continuity? I may be working off assumptions, the same as you, but my assumptions are backed by the facts and the facts are that major plot elements within Battle of Gods and Resurrection F simply are ignored, which makes it hard to accept that these things could exist in the same continuity. Did Goku just forget he could use SSJGSSJ? No, that'd be stupid, and would reflect very poorly on the rights holders. The manga may have inconsistencies too, but major story elements were never forgotten in favor of something else. As for the final chapters of the manga, it's very short, and there's no need to reference these newer films because of that. Goku doesn't use SSJ, so that's not contradicting SSJGSSJ, and Freeza doesn't come back without a golden form, so that's not contradicting Golden Freeza. Claiming Battle of Gods happens between the Majin Boo arc and GT does not inherently mean they exist in the same continuity. Seriously, Battle of Gods can happen in Universe A in age 778 and GT can happen in Universe B in age 789. Battle of Gods still comes before GT in a split timeline.
what split timeline? thats never stated. now you're just wasting my time.


toriyama referencing movies 1-13: these happen in a different dimension.


toriyama referencing GT: this is dragonballs side-story.
toei referencing BOG: this happens between GT and the boo saga. its chapter 517.5 of the manga

there is no split timeline. toei and toriyama already put GT in the same continuity as the story in manga. BOG and FnF follows the timeline shown in the manga therefore it follows that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity.


asking me for a statement that GT and BOG are in the same continuity is not a valid question. by this logic, you should also be providing statements stating that the movies and the manga are in the same continuity. all of these events happen in one continuity unless a head of the series says otherwise.
Where's this linear timeline you keep speaking of? Only ages are given, so it's conjecture to assume it's a linear timeline. Toriyama doesn't even consider GT when writing new material, so I sincerely doubt he's ever consciously suggested GT is part pf his story. Honestly, your arguments have devolved into pure conjecture at this point, so I have no interest in continuing this conversation. Have a nice day :yay: .
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Your attitude is what's getting tiresome. Toei doesn't hold the rights to Dragon Ball either, Shueisha does, and it's not like they're gonna ignore Toriyama's intentions for a story he created. Minor inconsistencies certainly don't affect the continuity of the franchise, but major story driven content being completely ignored does. Plot holes like Trunks's mention of 19 and 20 and Cell's regen are nitpicks. Complete ignorance of major plot points like SSJ God, the Hakaishin, and Golden Freeza aren't things you can simply gloss over. You're assuming all this stuff falls on the same continuity, but you have no proof. You're taking a bunch of random ages and assuming they all mesh. I really don't have to accept your point of view, and as result we'll have to agree to disagree.

On a side note, you're pulling that definition of side story out of your a**. Please don't fabricate a definition to support your baseless assumptions.
toei holds the rights for all live dbz productions, so they do hold the rights to the series and they can freely create dbz productions as seen with movies 1-13 and GT.

inconsistencies dont affect the continuity. period. the continuity is determined by the heads of the series and toei stated that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity. i dont know where you got this nonsensical idea that you can cherry pick what is and isnt a part of the continuity.

i gave you numerous examples of side-stories that are a part of the continuity of their series. the term side-story doesnt mean that something isnt part of the continuity. a side-story does happen after or alongside the main story, so i dont know how my definition is fabricated.

sure, we can agree to disagree, but lets not pretend that you actually brought forth any meaningful points.
Yup, it would appear that Toei does own the rights. Anyway, yeah, continuity is determined by the rights holders. Problem is, nothing has been decided on. All we know for sure is that X event happens in age Y. I'm sure Shueisha is smart enough to realize that BoG and RF absolutely don't mesh with GT, and your attempts to prove that all these events exist in one continuity is ultimately futile as nothing suggests they do other than your own assumptions. BTW, I recommend dropping the attitude. You're indignant tone is very childish given the subject matter.
toei stated in the press release for BOG that the events happened before GT. if you are recognizing the fact that the right holders do indeed determine the continuity and toei stated that BOG happened before GT, what are you arguing about?
Battle of Gods does happen before GT on the age chart. That doesn't mean they are part of the same continuity.
um, no. thats simply intellectual dishonesty on your part. the manga, m14, m15 and GT are all in the same continuity unless stated otherwise by a head of the series.

you are the one assuming when you say that the new movies and GT happen in different continuities, because thats not stated by a head of the series. you can extrapolate the same nonsensical logic to say that the movies arent in the same continuity as the final chapter of the manga. theres simply no basis for what you are saying. the heads of the series definitely dont support your argument.

toei stating that BOG happen in between GT and the boo saga puts them in the same continuity. case closed, im done here.
Intellectual dishonesty? Buddy, the whole "This is how it is unless stated otherwise" nonsense is circular reasoning. I could very easily counter that with a where's it stated that they are part of the same continuity? I may be working off assumptions, the same as you, but my assumptions are backed by the facts and the facts are that major plot elements within Battle of Gods and Resurrection F simply are ignored, which makes it hard to accept that these things could exist in the same continuity. Did Goku just forget he could use SSJGSSJ? No, that'd be stupid, and would reflect very poorly on the rights holders. The manga may have inconsistencies too, but major story elements were never forgotten in favor of something else. As for the final chapters of the manga, it's very short, and there's no need to reference these newer films because of that. Goku doesn't use SSJ, so that's not contradicting SSJGSSJ, and Freeza doesn't come back without a golden form, so that's not contradicting Golden Freeza. Claiming Battle of Gods happens between the Majin Boo arc and GT does not inherently mean they exist in the same continuity. Seriously, Battle of Gods can happen in Universe A in age 778 and GT can happen in Universe B in age 789. Battle of Gods still comes before GT in a split timeline.
what split timeline? thats never stated. now you're just wasting my time.


toriyama referencing movies 1-13: these happen in a different dimension.


toriyama referencing GT: this is dragonballs side-story.
toei referencing BOG: this happens between GT and the boo saga. its chapter 517.5 of the manga

there is no split timeline. toei and toriyama already put GT in the same continuity as the story in manga. BOG and FnF follows the timeline shown in the manga therefore it follows that GT and the new movies are in the same continuity.


asking me for a statement that GT and BOG are in the same continuity is not a valid question. by this logic, you should also be providing statements stating that the movies and the manga are in the same continuity. all of these events happen in one continuity unless a head of the series says otherwise.
Where's this linear timeline you keep speaking of? Only ages are given, so it's conjecture to assume it's a linear timeline. Toriyama doesn't even consider GT when writing new material, so I sincerely doubt he's ever consciously suggested GT is part pf his story. Honestly, your arguments have devolved into pure conjecture at this point, so I have no interest in continuing this conversation. Have a nice day :yay: .
concession accepted due to the constant ignoring of my arguments as well as attempting to twist the statements from the official heads of the series.

also, the bold is pretty ironic. have a nice day :yay:
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''Covers from Goku’s fight to retrieve his son Gohan from Garlic Jr. some time in Age 761, up to the completion of Dr Brief’s refit of God’s spaceship on 09 November, Age 762.''

tfw Movie 1 is canon.
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''Covers from the completion of the Namekian translator on God’s ship on 14 November, Age 762, up to Goku’s fight against Coola some time between Age 764 and 767.''

tfw Movie 5 is canon also
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''Covers from the completion of the Namekian translator on God’s ship on 14 November, Age 762, up to Goku’s fight against Coola some time between Age 764 and 767.''

tfw Movie 5 is canon also
im guessing that the gist of my argument flew right over your head?

all dbz productions by toei are "canon". movies 1-13 happen in a different dimension.


dbz movies 1-13 are instances where a head of the series has stated that an event has occurred outside of the mangas continuity. no such thing is stated with GT or BOG. toei stated that BOG happens before GT, so that puts them in the same continuity.
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