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Topic Started: Apr 20 2015, 06:16 PM (6,119 Views)
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Apr 21 2015, 06:02 PM
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Apr 21 2015, 05:59 PM
I did read it, and you called me a hater, so here we are.
In other words, Gohan overestimated himself, just like he did against Cell. He's not cut out to be Earth's protector, and that portion of the Majin Boo arc made that clear.
No, I didn't. Several times over have I explained what really happened, but you seem to ignore that. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.
But Gohan didn't overestimate himself. He knew fully well that he was stronger than Boo as proven earlier. Under normal circumstances, what could Boo do to hurt Gohan? I will agree his decision was less than stellar, but it doesn't make him irresponsible initially.
Do I have to bring up the quote again? You clearly called me a Gohan hater after I said he was responsible for Boo absorbing Gotenks:
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but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.

He did overestimate himself, as he thought he could handle what happened next when Boo was clearly conniving.
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That can't be his reason for not going all-out against Boo. ''I think fusion can win, so I'm not even going to try and kill Boo.''

That's just a ****-move. At least take a shot at it, instead of leaving two kids who're immature to try and defeat Boo with fusion, which you admit yourself is a gamble. If you think Boo's hiding power, try forcing his hand and make him reveal it. If you don't think he's hiding power, go for the kill and teach the kids fusion afterwards. You're already wasting time/energy by using the form, at least make the most of it.

His job was to stall, that's it. He decided not to go for the kill as he won't be around forever. This was made clear by Goku himself. If you have a problem with that, so be it, but he has a point.
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Apr 21 2015, 06:07 PM
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Apr 21 2015, 05:59 PM
I did read it, and you called me a hater, so here we are.
In other words, Gohan overestimated himself, just like he did against Cell. He's not cut out to be Earth's protector, and that portion of the Majin Boo arc made that clear.
No, I didn't. Several times over have I explained what really happened, but you seem to ignore that. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.
But Gohan didn't overestimate himself. He knew fully well that he was stronger than Boo as proven earlier. Under normal circumstances, what could Boo do to hurt Gohan? I will agree his decision was less than stellar, but it doesn't make him irresponsible initially.
Do I have to bring up the quote again? You clearly called me a Gohan hater after I said he was responsible for Boo absorbing Gotenks:
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but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.
I didn't intentionally call you a hater, for the love of Batman. If you took it that way, that's your problem and not mine.
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I did read it, and you called me a hater, so here we are.
In other words, Gohan overestimated himself, just like he did against Cell. He's not cut out to be Earth's protector, and that portion of the Majin Boo arc made that clear.
No, I didn't. Several times over have I explained what really happened, but you seem to ignore that. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.
But Gohan didn't overestimate himself. He knew fully well that he was stronger than Boo as proven earlier. Under normal circumstances, what could Boo do to hurt Gohan? I will agree his decision was less than stellar, but it doesn't make him irresponsible initially.
Do I have to bring up the quote again? You clearly called me a Gohan hater after I said he was responsible for Boo absorbing Gotenks:
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but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.
I didn't intentionally call you a hater, for the love of Batman. If you took it that way, that's your problem and not mine.
Then what was your intention? I clearly believed Gohan's mistake lead to Bootenks and you called anyone who actually agrees with that a hater.
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Yeah. Gohan letting Gotenks fight instead was the exact same thing as Goku leaving.

The only reason Super Boo even exists is because of Gohan, right?
Gohan never saw Gotenks fight, but killed himself and left him behind anyway, right?
Gohan outright stated that he had no idea how strong Boo was, right?

No. Gotenks had already demonstrated that he was stronger than Boo and Gohan, who was way stronger than Boo was literally ten feet behind him in case something were to go wrong. It's a far cry from what Goku did.

All you people are playing 20/20 hindsight, when Gohan could never have anticipated what actually occurred.
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ITT: Hypocrites. Hypocrites everywhere.

"Vegeta is a fool for toying with Frieza. Frieza won and destroyed the Earth."

"Hurr durr! Gohan didn't know about absorption. It's not like Buu would blow up the Earth in an instant."

EDIT: Gotenks being stronger than Buu is debatable.
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I did read it, and you called me a hater, so here we are.
In other words, Gohan overestimated himself, just like he did against Cell. He's not cut out to be Earth's protector, and that portion of the Majin Boo arc made that clear.
No, I didn't. Several times over have I explained what really happened, but you seem to ignore that. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.
But Gohan didn't overestimate himself. He knew fully well that he was stronger than Boo as proven earlier. Under normal circumstances, what could Boo do to hurt Gohan? I will agree his decision was less than stellar, but it doesn't make him irresponsible initially.
Do I have to bring up the quote again? You clearly called me a Gohan hater after I said he was responsible for Boo absorbing Gotenks:
Emmeth
 
but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.

He did overestimate himself, as he thought he could handle what happened next when Boo was clearly conniving.
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That can't be his reason for not going all-out against Boo. ''I think fusion can win, so I'm not even going to try and kill Boo.''

That's just a ****-move. At least take a shot at it, instead of leaving two kids who're immature to try and defeat Boo with fusion, which you admit yourself is a gamble. If you think Boo's hiding power, try forcing his hand and make him reveal it. If you don't think he's hiding power, go for the kill and teach the kids fusion afterwards. You're already wasting time/energy by using the form, at least make the most of it.

His job was to stall, that's it. He decided not to go for the kill as he won't be around forever. This was made clear by Goku himself. If you have a problem with that, so be it, but he has a point.
That logic is warped. Does Gotenks have to beat Boo as a sort of trial in order to inherit the title of Earth's protector? Why can't Goku just try his best to beat Boo and then teach them about fusion afterwards? If he cares more about 'not being the right person to beat Boo' than doing his best to save the Earth himself before leaving it to Gotenks, what does that say about him?

@Sekzee - In other topics, my point was concerned with Vegeta fighting with Goku, leaving Freeza wide open to do what he likes (which is a gag, so I guess it never happened). This situation is completely different.
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Apr 21 2015, 06:14 PM
Then what was your intention? I clearly believed Gohan's mistake lead to Bootenks and you called anyone who actually agrees with that a hater.
I never said it wasn't a mistake, did I? Nope, I didn't. I specifically said "Gohan didn't know Boo could absorb people." and that alone can't be a good reason to call Gohan irresponsible.
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Apr 21 2015, 06:15 PM
ITT: Hypocrites. Hypocrites everywhere.

"Vegeta is a fool for toying with Frieza. Frieza won and destroyed the Earth."

"Hurr durr! Gohan didn't know about absorption. It's not like Buu would blow up the Earth in an instant."

EDIT: Gotenks being stronger than Buu is debatable.
Stop being a douche.

For one, Gotenks being stronger than Boo is not debatable. For two, if Boo decides to blow up the Earth, there's nothing Gohan can do anyway. Remember that time he self-destructed? Could Gohan stop him? No.
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Yeah. Gohan letting Gotenks fight instead was the exact same thing as Goku leaving.

The only reason Super Boo even exists is because of Gohan, right?
Gohan never saw Gotenks fight, but killed himself and left him behind anyway, right?
Gohan outright stated that he had no idea how strong Boo was, right?

No. Gotenks had already demonstrated that he was stronger than Boo and Gohan, who was way stronger than Boo was literally ten feet behind him in case something were to go wrong. It's a far cry from what Goku did.

All you people are playing hindsight man, when Gohan could never have anticipated what actually occurred.
Goku's intentions were pure, that's difference between his and Gohan's mishap. Gohan indirectly let Boo absorb Gotenks because he was confident he could handle what came next. Boo was clearly conniving, and if he didn't see that, that makes him ignorant. They both f***ed up though, and that's the point of this conversation. Gohan isn't without his faults. What's more, his neglect for training would lead to him being overtaken. Gohan most certainly isn't the man for the job, nor does he WANT this job, which is something most people tend to forget.
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I never said it wasn't a mistake, did I? Nope, I didn't. I specifically said "Gohan didn't know Boo could absorb people." and that alone can't be a good reason to call Gohan irresponsible.

Ah, my mistake then.
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That logic is warped. Does Gotenks have to beat Boo as a sort of trial in order to inherit the title of Earth's protector? Why can't Goku just try his best to beat Boo and then teach them about fusion afterwards?

If Goku uses too much power, he'd eat up too much of his time, which I imagine is a concern if he's trying to leave the Earth with people who could protect it in Goku's absence.
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He decided not to go for the kill as he won't be around forever. This was made clear by Goku himself. If you have a problem with that, so be it, but he has a point.


This is a hypocritical load of crap. Goku doesn't try to kill Fat Boo because "he's dead" and "it's not his place to do so". What about fusion? Without Goku there, no one even knows what fusion is. If it works out and Gotenks beats Boo, the reason still falls back to Mr. Let Someone Else Do It.

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ITT: Hypocrites. Hypocrites everywhere.

"Vegeta is a fool for toying with Frieza. Frieza won and destroyed the Earth."

"Hurr durr! Gohan didn't know about absorption. It's not like Buu would blow up the Earth in an instant."

EDIT: Gotenks being stronger than Buu is debatable.
Stop being a douche.

For one, Gotenks being stronger than Boo is not debatable. For two, if Boo decides to blow up the Earth, there's nothing Gohan can do anyway. Remember that time he self-destructed? Could Gohan stop him? No.
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It is debatable.
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He decided not to go for the kill as he won't be around forever. This was made clear by Goku himself. If you have a problem with that, so be it, but he has a point.


This is a hypocritical load of crap. Goku doesn't try to kill Fat Boo because "he's dead" and "it's not his place to do so". What about fusion? Without Goku there, no one even knows what fusion is. If it works out and Gotenks beats Boo, the reason still falls back to Mr. Let Someone Else Do It.

Fusion allows for FUTURE threats to be taken care of. It's not that he won't interfere, it's that he can't interfere past this 1 day he's allowed to be in the living realm.
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Okay guys, whether or not Gohan is less or more guilty than Goku, this is not actually the thread topic. Let's get back on-topic.
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Yeah. Gohan letting Gotenks fight instead was the exact same thing as Goku leaving.

The only reason Super Boo even exists is because of Gohan, right?
Gohan never saw Gotenks fight, but killed himself and left him behind anyway, right?
Gohan outright stated that he had no idea how strong Boo was, right?

No. Gotenks had already demonstrated that he was stronger than Boo and Gohan, who was way stronger than Boo was literally ten feet behind him in case something were to go wrong. It's a far cry from what Goku did.

All you people are playing hindsight man, when Gohan could never have anticipated what actually occurred.
Goku's intentions were pure, that's difference between his and Gohan's mishap. Gohan indirectly let Boo absorb Gotenks because he was confident he could handle what came next. Boo was clearly conniving, and if he didn't see that, that makes him ignorant. They both f***ed up though, and that's the point of this conversation. Gohan isn't without his faults. What's more, his neglect for training would lead to him being overtaken. Gohan most certainly isn't the man for the job, nor does he WANT this job, which is something most people tend to forget.
No they weren't. Like Nagito said, there's nothing about defeating Boo that's going to make Gotenks any better than he would have been if he hadn't defeated Boo. It's just another variable; what if Boo's ki really is like a lie and Gotenks won't be enough? If Goku had actually gone all-out, he might have learned that.

His actions during the fight against Majin Vegeta were selfish and nothing more, as was his decision to fight Pure Boo without fusing.

Yes, in hindsight, Gohan's choice was a bad decision, but that's in hindsight. Besides, Gohan managed to weather that particular wrinkle anyway and was going to win. His real mistake was not anticipating Boo absorbing him, and missing the thrown earring.
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It is debatable.
I don't think it is. Both the results of the fight and Goku's comments suggest that Gotenks had the upper hand. There's nothing to suggest that that was all a fluke. Besides, if Gotenks started losing, Gohan was right there; Gotenks wasn't weaker, but even if he was, it wasn't by much. Gohan could have easily been in complete control if it played out the way he expected.
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He decided not to go for the kill as he won't be around forever. This was made clear by Goku himself. If you have a problem with that, so be it, but he has a point.


This is a hypocritical load of crap. Goku doesn't try to kill Fat Boo because "he's dead" and "it's not his place to do so". What about fusion? Without Goku there, no one even knows what fusion is. If it works out and Gotenks beats Boo, the reason still falls back to Mr. Let Someone Else Do It.

Fusion allows for FUTURE threats to be taken care of. It's not that he won't interfere, it's that he can't interfere past this 1 day he's allowed to be in the living realm.
That's not the point.

Goku gives this big speech that since he's dead, it's not his place to interfere and kill Boo. The universe/Earth needs to step up and handle it themselves. But if the fusion works, it's because of Goku interfering and giving them the necessary knowledge. Every threat that fusion eliminates after that is because of a dead Goku's interference.

He may as well went ahead and blasted Boo into oblivion. It wouldn't be any different.
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