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Gohan didn't know Boo could absorb people. Granted no one did, but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.
Oh boy. I happen to like Gohan as a character, so I'd hardly consider myself a hater. I just don't feel he's suited for the role of Earth's protector. Honestly, if you're going to resort to baseless accusations, I have no interest in continuing this conversation. You guys can continue being negative nancies about the current direction of the series if you want, but I feel you're turning a blind eye to Gohan's negative qualities.
I was just making a point. If you're taking it as accusations, my point is proven.
You accused me above being a Gohan hater so it was indeed an accusation. Honestly, how is this even a defense of your actions?
I wasn't responding to you in particular. It was a general note you took to heart, so you must feel guilty about something.
Is that why you quoted me? I'm not experiencing guilt. I'm disappointed that baseless accusations are what this conversation has amounted to.
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Gohan didn't know Boo could absorb people. Granted no one did, but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.
Oh boy. I happen to like Gohan as a character, so I'd hardly consider myself a hater. I just don't feel he's suited for the role of Earth's protector. Honestly, if you're going to resort to baseless accusations, I have no interest in continuing this conversation. You guys can continue being negative nancies about the current direction of the series if you want, but I feel you're turning a blind eye to Gohan's negative qualities.
I was just making a point. If you're taking it as accusations, my point is proven.
You accused me above being a Gohan hater so it was indeed an accusation. Honestly, how is this even a defense of your actions?
I wasn't responding to you in particular. It was a general note you took to heart, so you must feel guilty about something.
Is that why you quoted me? I'm not experiencing guilt. I'm disappointed that baseless accusations are what this conversation has amounted to.
You're trying to make me the bad guy in this, which won't work. I never called you a hater to begin with before you accused me of making baseless assumptions. Am I not allowed to defend myself?

I was making the point that calling Gohan irresponsible to the levels of Goku solely based on his decision to let Gotenks "have a go" would be a thing argument. He didn't know about Boo's absorption ability.
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Gohan didn't know Boo could absorb people. Granted no one did, but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.
Oh boy. I happen to like Gohan as a character, so I'd hardly consider myself a hater. I just don't feel he's suited for the role of Earth's protector. Honestly, if you're going to resort to baseless accusations, I have no interest in continuing this conversation. You guys can continue being negative nancies about the current direction of the series if you want, but I feel you're turning a blind eye to Gohan's negative qualities.
I was just making a point. If you're taking it as accusations, my point is proven.
You accused me above being a Gohan hater so it was indeed an accusation. Honestly, how is this even a defense of your actions?
I wasn't responding to you in particular. It was a general note you took to heart, so you must feel guilty about something.
Is that why you quoted me? I'm not experiencing guilt. I'm disappointed that baseless accusations are what this conversation has amounted to.
You're trying to make me the bad guy in this, which won't work. I never called you a hater to begin with before you accused me of making baseless assumptions. Am I not allowed to defend myself?
You're not allowed to defend yourself if you're wrong:
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but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.

If you're incapable of owning up to you're mistakes or admitting when you're wrong, I definitely have no interest in continuing this conversation.
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Gohan didn't know Boo could absorb people. Granted no one did, but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.
Oh boy. I happen to like Gohan as a character, so I'd hardly consider myself a hater. I just don't feel he's suited for the role of Earth's protector. Honestly, if you're going to resort to baseless accusations, I have no interest in continuing this conversation. You guys can continue being negative nancies about the current direction of the series if you want, but I feel you're turning a blind eye to Gohan's negative qualities.
I was just making a point. If you're taking it as accusations, my point is proven.
You accused me above being a Gohan hater so it was indeed an accusation. Honestly, how is this even a defense of your actions?
I wasn't responding to you in particular. It was a general note you took to heart, so you must feel guilty about something.
Is that why you quoted me? I'm not experiencing guilt. I'm disappointed that baseless accusations are what this conversation has amounted to.
You're trying to make me the bad guy in this, which won't work. I never called you a hater to begin with before you accused me of making baseless assumptions. Am I not allowed to defend myself?
You're not allowed to defend yourself if you're wrong:
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but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.

If you're incapable of owning up to you're mistakes or admitting when you're wrong, I definitely have no interest in continuing this conversation.
Oh please, stop. Instead of targetting me for the statement, why don't you try to counter the actual statement and make some sense of it?
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I actually agree with Prince. If people are going to put the finger on Goku, Gohan isn't exactly innocent either. This was the same guy that didn't bother to kill Cell or Buu and allowed Gotenks to go up against Buu (if this were Goku that made the decision, I know undoubtedly that you guys would give him so much flak for it).

@OP: IDK really. If that's what their going to do in the next movie, so be it. I lost interest after the latest movie anyways.
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Gohan didn't know Boo could absorb people. Granted no one did, but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.
Oh boy. I happen to like Gohan as a character, so I'd hardly consider myself a hater. I just don't feel he's suited for the role of Earth's protector. Honestly, if you're going to resort to baseless accusations, I have no interest in continuing this conversation. You guys can continue being negative nancies about the current direction of the series if you want, but I feel you're turning a blind eye to Gohan's negative qualities.
I was just making a point. If you're taking it as accusations, my point is proven.
You accused me above being a Gohan hater so it was indeed an accusation. Honestly, how is this even a defense of your actions?
I wasn't responding to you in particular. It was a general note you took to heart, so you must feel guilty about something.
Is that why you quoted me? I'm not experiencing guilt. I'm disappointed that baseless accusations are what this conversation has amounted to.
You're trying to make me the bad guy in this, which won't work. I never called you a hater to begin with before you accused me of making baseless assumptions. Am I not allowed to defend myself?
You're not allowed to defend yourself if you're wrong:
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but if you're blaming Gohan for that you're just... a hater. Sorry to say.

If you're incapable of owning up to you're mistakes or admitting when you're wrong, I definitely have no interest in continuing this conversation.
Oh please, stop. Instead of targetting me for the statement, why don't you try to counter the actual statement and make some sense of it?
You targeted me, I'm merely retorting. Anyway, yeah, it is Gohan's fault. He should have known Boo was up to something when he goaded Gotenks into fighting him.
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I actually agree with Prince. If people are going to put the finger on Goku, Gohan isn't exactly innocent either. This was the same guy that didn't bother to kill Cell or Buu and allowed Gotenks to go up against Buu (if this were Goku that made the decision, I know undoubtedly that you guys would give him so much flak for it).

@OP: IDK really. If that's what their going to do in the next movie, so be it. I lost interest after the latest movie anyways.
I'm not saying that Gohan's innocent, I hate the fact that he did it. It's a really bad move. It's just that Goku's move was that much worse. He didn't kill Boo because after sizing him up, he came to the conclusion that he'd be able to take him out quite easily. Overconfidence, yes, a big issue. It's a huge hit to Gohan. However, considering everything that he knew then, giving Gotenks (who seemed to actually like fighting) the chance to take out Boo while watching and ready to intervene if necessary isn't nearly as bad as Goku's actions.
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I actually agree with Prince. If people are going to put the finger on Goku, Gohan isn't exactly innocent either. This was the same guy that didn't bother to kill Cell or Buu and allowed Gotenks to go up against Buu (if this were Goku that made the decision, I know undoubtedly that you guys would give him so much flak for it).

@OP: IDK really. If that's what their going to do in the next movie, so be it. I lost interest after the latest movie anyways.
I'm not saying that Gohan's innocent, I hate the fact that he did it. It's a really bad move. It's just that Goku's move was that much worse. He didn't kill Boo because after sizing him up, he came to the conclusion that he'd be able to take him out quite easily. Overconfidence, yes, a big issue. It's a huge hit to Gohan. However, considering everything that he knew then, giving Gotenks (who seemed to actually like fighting) the chance to take out Boo while watching and ready to intervene if necessary isn't nearly as bad as Goku's actions.
But Goku's intentions were pure. Goku's dead, and only here for 1 day. What happens when someone as strong or stronger than Boo shows up? Vegeta's dead and Gohan is thought to be dead. He was working with what he was given.
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You targeted me, so I'm retorting. Anyway, yeah, it is Gohan's fault. He should have known Boo was up to something when he goaded Gotenks into fighting him.
I didn't target you though, did you even read my posts? Sure, you were the one that said Gohan was as guilty as Goku (if not more), but that doesn't mean I was targetting a single person with my statement. Your decision to lash out at me for that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

See, now there's something we can discuss. Yes, Gohan should've known Boo was up to something, but he also knew he was there if Gotenks would end up in trouble.
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I actually agree with Prince. If people are going to put the finger on Goku, Gohan isn't exactly innocent either. This was the same guy that didn't bother to kill Cell or Buu and allowed Gotenks to go up against Buu (if this were Goku that made the decision, I know undoubtedly that you guys would give him so much flak for it).

@OP: IDK really. If that's what their going to do in the next movie, so be it. I lost interest after the latest movie anyways.
I'm not saying that Gohan's innocent, I hate the fact that he did it. It's a really bad move. It's just that Goku's move was that much worse. He didn't kill Boo because after sizing him up, he came to the conclusion that he'd be able to take him out quite easily. Overconfidence, yes, a big issue. It's a huge hit to Gohan. However, considering everything that he knew then, giving Gotenks (who seemed to actually like fighting) the chance to take out Boo while watching and ready to intervene if necessary isn't nearly as bad as Goku's actions.
But Goku's intentions were pure. Goku's dead, and only here for 1 day. What happens when someone as strong or stronger than Boo shows up? Vegeta's dead and Gohan is thought to be dead. He was working with what he was given.
The only reason Boo was a threat in the first place is because of Goku.
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I actually agree with Prince. If people are going to put the finger on Goku, Gohan isn't exactly innocent either. This was the same guy that didn't bother to kill Cell or Buu and allowed Gotenks to go up against Buu (if this were Goku that made the decision, I know undoubtedly that you guys would give him so much flak for it).

@OP: IDK really. If that's what their going to do in the next movie, so be it. I lost interest after the latest movie anyways.
I'm not saying that Gohan's innocent, I hate the fact that he did it. It's a really bad move. It's just that Goku's move was that much worse. He didn't kill Boo because after sizing him up, he came to the conclusion that he'd be able to take him out quite easily. Overconfidence, yes, a big issue. It's a huge hit to Gohan. However, considering everything that he knew then, giving Gotenks (who seemed to actually like fighting) the chance to take out Boo while watching and ready to intervene if necessary isn't nearly as bad as Goku's actions.
But Goku's intentions were pure. Goku's dead, and only here for 1 day. What happens when someone as strong or stronger than Boo shows up? Vegeta's dead and Gohan is thought to be dead. He was working with what he was given.
So him intentionally holding back effort in the fight is perfectly fine? He's already expending the ki/time while in the form, so there's no excuse for him not to go all-out and try to destroy Boo. If he fails, then he can leave it to Goten and Trunks.
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You targeted me, so I'm retorting. Anyway, yeah, it is Gohan's fault. He should have known Boo was up to something when he goaded Gotenks into fighting him.
I didn't target you though, did you even read my posts? Sure, you were the one that said Gohan was as guilty as Goku (if not more), but that doesn't mean I was targetting a single person with my statement. Your decision to lash out at me for that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

See, now there's something we can discuss. Yes, Gohan should've known Boo was up to something, but he also knew he was there if Gotenks would end up in trouble.
I did read it, and you called me a hater, so here we are.
In other words, Gohan overestimated himself, just like he did against Cell. He's not cut out to be Earth's protector, and that portion of the Majin Boo arc made that clear.
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So him intentionally holding back effort in the fight is perfectly fine? He's already expending the ki/time while in the form, so there's no excuse for him not to go all-out and try to destroy Boo. If he fails, then he can leave it to Goten and Trunks.

Given his reason for doing so, yes, absolutely. He sized up Boo to see what he was capable of, and deemed fusion worthy of his defeat.
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The only reason Boo was a threat in the first place is because of Goku.

We could sit here and point fingers all day, but truthfully, if Kaioshin were smarter, and if the other Saiyajins hadn't insisted on taking turns, which Gohan was indeed a part of, Boo wouldn't have been revived at all. And truthfully, I'd blame Vegeta more than Goku, and I'm the Vegeta fanboy.
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I did read it, and you called me a hater, so here we are.
In other words, Gohan overestimated himself, just like he did against Cell. He's not cut out to be Earth's protector, and that portion of the Majin Boo arc made that clear.
No, I didn't. Several times over have I explained what really happened, but you seem to ignore that. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.
But Gohan didn't overestimate himself. He knew fully well that he was stronger than Boo as proven earlier. Under normal circumstances, what could Boo do to hurt Gohan? I will agree his decision was less than stellar, but it doesn't make him irresponsible initially.
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I actually agree with Prince. If people are going to put the finger on Goku, Gohan isn't exactly innocent either. This was the same guy that didn't bother to kill Cell or Buu and allowed Gotenks to go up against Buu (if this were Goku that made the decision, I know undoubtedly that you guys would give him so much flak for it).

@OP: IDK really. If that's what their going to do in the next movie, so be it. I lost interest after the latest movie anyways.
I'm not saying that Gohan's innocent, I hate the fact that he did it. It's a really bad move. It's just that Goku's move was that much worse. He didn't kill Boo because after sizing him up, he came to the conclusion that he'd be able to take him out quite easily. Overconfidence, yes, a big issue. It's a huge hit to Gohan. However, considering everything that he knew then, giving Gotenks (who seemed to actually like fighting) the chance to take out Boo while watching and ready to intervene if necessary isn't nearly as bad as Goku's actions.
Well can't we say the same thing for Goku then?

I mean he knew well ahead of time that Gotenks would be more capable of defeating Buu than himself and he didn't know that Gotenks would be over the top overconfident. Gohan on the other hand new Gotenks was weaker than him and that his chances of beating him; while still decent wasn't as solid as Gotenks beating Fat Buu.

That's not to say Goku's actions aren't without question of course. I'm just saying Gohan isn't exactly the "saint" that some make him out to be. And to be fair, almost every major character in the Buu Arc was like this except Piccolo.

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You targeted me, so I'm retorting. Anyway, yeah, it is Gohan's fault. He should have known Boo was up to something when he goaded Gotenks into fighting him.
I didn't target you though, did you even read my posts? Sure, you were the one that said Gohan was as guilty as Goku (if not more), but that doesn't mean I was targetting a single person with my statement. Your decision to lash out at me for that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

See, now there's something we can discuss. Yes, Gohan should've known Boo was up to something, but he also knew he was there if Gotenks would end up in trouble.
I did read it, and you called me a hater, so here we are.
In other words, Gohan overestimated himself, just like he did against Cell. He's not cut out to be Earth's protector, and that portion of the Majin Boo arc made that clear.
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So him intentionally holding back effort in the fight is perfectly fine? He's already expending the ki/time while in the form, so there's no excuse for him not to go all-out and try to destroy Boo. If he fails, then he can leave it to Goten and Trunks.

Given his reason for doing so, yes, absolutely. He sized up Boo to see what he was capable of, and deemed fusion worthy of his defeat.
That can't be his reason for not going all-out against Boo. ''I think fusion can win, so I'm not even going to try and kill Boo.''

That's just a ****-move. At least take a shot at it, instead of leaving two kids who're immature to try and defeat Boo with fusion, which you admit yourself is a gamble. If you think Boo's hiding power, try forcing his hand and make him reveal it. If you don't think he's hiding power, go for the kill and teach the kids fusion afterwards. You're already wasting time/energy by using the form, at least make the most of it.
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