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Gohan getting the SSJG power-up
Topic Started: Apr 20 2015, 06:16 PM (6,117 Views)
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1 - anyone can become a ssj god like in BoG for a short time, but not everyone can retain it. Goku and Vegeta retain the power or at least most of it, but there is that other 33% chance which says Gohan may not be able to. The original god lost the form and the power, thus the evil Saiyans winning. There's no guarantee he would keep that strength, and if he did, there's a 1 in a million chance he actually cares enough to go put in the work to go blue which we can assert takes time and effort
Goku and Vegeta don't actually work. It's pretty easy to be seen as hardworking when the only thing they care about in their entire lives is getting stronger. Even if somehow they found out that, excepting the people on Earth, Krillin is the strongest being in the universe, they wouldn't stop training. They don't do it to protect people, they do it because they want to. Gohan's priorities are simply different.

By your logic, I can start calling Goku a lazy a***** because he never got an education.
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2 - Giving it to him, even if he retains it won't matter in the long run. Gohan doesn't practice great responsibility with his power. After Namek and Guru gave him a huge power boost from Raditz tier to over captain Ginyu, he doesn't train for 2 years until Goku returns to the planet, and that's both timelines as the future him is still looking to become as strong as his dad post Yardrat.
You do realize you're chastising a 5 year old for this.
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After he's got the power at cell games and should have learned from his mistakes like prolonging a fight, thus getting others killed, and explicitly asked by Goku to be the hero since Goku gave his life to save him, he doesn't even train for 7 years.
Goku behaved far worse when he transformed into Super Saiyan for the first time. He got off easy because Freeza wasn't willing to destroy the planet. Once again, you're blaming an eleven year old for acting childishly.
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He's taken off the world and given this gran power up that makes him the strongest non fused character, and he goes off to fight Buu, just like he fought cell, that s*** eating grin ever present as he embarrassed him and got out smarted.
Their fight lasted for practically no time at all, by which point Boo started targeting Piccolo and Goten.
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Lastly, to say he isn't as foolish as the full bloods is sad and contrived. He's toyed with two opponents and almost got the planet destroyed and the bricks beat off him, but Gokus teleported in both times with cell and Buu at the last minute while he sits their in fetal position when cell and Buu are going to blow up the planet.
Yes. Let us blame Gohan for being unconscious and not using a teleportation power that he doesn't have.
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To say well he doesn't train because he's a family man and productive member of society ignores he's living with satan off his dime and then living next to his parents in land his grandpa owns when z ends in the manga, and it's never mentioned he has a job or has accomplished or invented anything at all from Buu to Z, let alone brought in more money than Goku who won a budokai.
Won a Budokai. Lol. As if that's some kind of accomplishment. Krillin could do that in ten seconds. Not to mention that Mr. Satan profited off of Gohan's blood and sweat. Every dime that Mr. Satan gets rightfully belongs to Gohan.
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To say he's a great protector is hogwash as he refuses to maintain his power to protect said family, like Vegeta maintains his and outright made a damn fool of himself to protect Bulma in Battle of Gods. And finally, for all the people who blame Goku for sending Gohan into cell and letting a kid bear that weight, Gohan is no better as Gotenks isn't stronger than buu, which Goten pointed out, yet he let him go into battle with the world on the line after being given a power and promising to end things.
Goten points out that Gotenks isn't as strong as Gohan. He says nothing about Boo. Trunks says that Gotenks definitely would have won if they hadn't lost Super Saiyan 3. Check your facts next time.

To compare that to Goku at the Cell Games is totally asinine. Goten and Trunks wanted to fight, they asked Gohan if they could. Goku forced Gohan to fight Cell in his stead, but not before giving Cell every advantage so that the fight is "fair".
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I have to step in and say Gohan sure as hell ain't lazy, he's just got responsibilities that eat up a lot of his time.
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@ FP. Buutenks was going to blow up the planet and Gohan was just like at cell, scared stiff. Goku teleported in and cut him in half. Goku saved him there again once things got real, while he shrunk like a scared kid again


@PoS his responsibilities aren't ever alluded to as he has no job, is living with satan off his dime in this movie, and living back home eoz. He's never said to havea job, earn any money, or build anything in Z or GT. The idea of his responsibilities is limited because he doesn't earn money any one time in the manga, anime, or movies. He doesn't train his own daughter in the manga, Goku does, and in GT satan is the one responsible for things which is why pan didn't even know the Kamehameha wave, and she has more attachment to Goku, satan, Vegeta, and trunks. He reads a lot of books and dresses up as a superhero doing Ginyu dances. Gokus actually earned money to live off of.


Back on topic, I honestly rather think about what someone like Pan and Bulla would do with their power. I think they could be a vast contrast from Gohan and Gotenks in terms of training and percision, and that they should be part of the movie line if it continues under the guidance of Goku and Vegeta
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The only reason Satan is Mr. Moneybags is because he got the credit for defeating Cell. Gohan was the one who actually did, ergo, that money is rightfully his.

On topic, my opinion is that since God is so frickin easy, every single Saiyan should have the powerup. Why not?
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Apr 22 2015, 01:12 AM
@ FP. Buutenks was going to blow up the planet and Gohan was just like at cell, scared stiff. Goku teleported in and cut him in half. Goku saved him there again once things got real, while he shrunk like a scared kid again


@PoS his responsibilities aren't ever alluded to as he has no job, is living with satan off his dime in this movie, and living back home eoz. He's never said to havea job, earn any money, or build anything in Z or GT. The idea of his responsibilities is limited because he doesn't earn money any one time in the manga, anime, or movies. He doesn't train his own daughter in the manga, Goku does, and in GT satan is the one responsible for things which is why pan didn't even know the Kamehameha wave, and she has more attachment to Goku, satan, Vegeta, and trunks. He reads a lot of books and dresses up as a superhero doing Ginyu dances. Gokus actually earned money to live off of.


Back on topic, I honestly rather think about what someone like Pan and Bulla would do with their power. I think they could be a vast contrast from Gohan and Gotenks in terms of training and percision, and that they should be part of the movie line if it continues under the guidance of Goku and Vegeta
Yes they are. Gohan became a scholar, spends time with his wife, and attends to his child. He would literally have no time to train.
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On topic, my opinion is that since God is so frickin easy, every single Saiyan should have the powerup. Why not?

Transforming is easy, but absorbing it apparently isn't since Beerus noted that it was impressive. If he managed to do it, cool, but I don't think he can.
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Apr 21 2015, 03:58 AM
Vegeta's problem isn't just that his actions are dangerous. His problem is that he's a terribly written character whose constantly changing between abandoning pride for a better cause to let's screw everything up because his balls haven't been sucked hard enough today.

Cell Arc: Egotistical bastard who relies he cares for his son and is willing to fight for a cause other than himself.

Boo Arc: Guy who had come to accept humanity but suddenly gets pissed cause his lover is stronger so he decides to screw everything up only to suddenly realize he cares somehow and makes some stupid sacrifice in the end.

BOG: Abandons his pride for the sake of the others, making a fool of himself in the end. This is like double the pride breaker here, like he broke his pride away in the Boo Arc with fusion and all that stuff and now he goes even further here.

RoF: But then suddenly that Saiyan pride! How dare Kakarot flirt with Freeza before him! How dare his lover do such adultery! Pride!

It's so bad, its the same thing over and over again. He's such a badly written character.
I don't know, I think if you grew up to your planet being conquered and eventually destroyed by a powerful overlord who, for all intents and purposes, stole you from your home and family, it would be understandable if you had trouble really being good. He's actually pretty accurately written.
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I love Gohan and if he got the Super Duper Saiyan God boost it would be pretty banging.
but then Resurrection of Boo, when Boo absorbs Kaioshin-powered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 3 Son Gohan, and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Gogeta has to rescue his irrelevant *ss. I miss Son Gohan :'(
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The only reason Satan is Mr. Moneybags is because he got the credit for defeating Cell. Gohan was the one who actually did, ergo, that money is rightfully his.

On topic, my opinion is that since God is so frickin easy, every single Saiyan should have the powerup. Why not?
Then it's actually Gokus since he cut in and saved Gohan.

But anyhow you seem to be missing the point. God is easy to get for a short period of time. Any Saiyan can get it given to them, aside from Gotenks. Not every Saiyan can retain the power. 1/3 Saiyans didn't. Goku and Vegeta did, but Goku and Vegeta train every single day and push themselves to the point of keeping that power and adding to it with their ssj energy.

Goten and Trunks are weaker and rusty in the Abo Cado special. They have weakened from where they were as kids back in the Buu saga, thus Gotenks is weaker, hell you can infer ssj3 isn't easy anymore for him since he doesn't to to it anymore. Gohan has gotten weaker and admittedly had to question if he could go first level super again. They wouldn't just keep the power level from sitting on their butts, hell they haven't kept their levels from Buu saga, and that means they sure won't go blue. Its a waste of time to focus on this generation they need to focus on the girls imo. And once again jaut because you go red and firey doesn't mean you can keep the power, Beerus notes Goku and Vegeta ares special
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I love Gohan and if he got the Super Duper Saiyan God boost it would be pretty banging.
but then Resurrection of Boo, when Boo absorbs Kaioshin-powered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 3 Son Gohan, and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Gogeta has to rescue his irrelevant *ss. I miss Son Gohan :'(
That's exactly what would happen. Gohan would get the coolest new transformation on the block and get absorbed or rendered useless somehow by the new villain just so Goku and/or Vegeta could get the final shot of glory. Precisely.
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Vegeta's problem isn't just that his actions are dangerous. His problem is that he's a terribly written character whose constantly changing between abandoning pride for a better cause to let's screw everything up because his balls haven't been sucked hard enough today.

Cell Arc: Egotistical bastard who relies he cares for his son and is willing to fight for a cause other than himself.

Boo Arc: Guy who had come to accept humanity but suddenly gets pissed cause his lover is stronger so he decides to screw everything up only to suddenly realize he cares somehow and makes some stupid sacrifice in the end.

BOG: Abandons his pride for the sake of the others, making a fool of himself in the end. This is like double the pride breaker here, like he broke his pride away in the Boo Arc with fusion and all that stuff and now he goes even further here.

RoF: But then suddenly that Saiyan pride! How dare Kakarot flirt with Freeza before him! How dare his lover do such adultery! Pride!

It's so bad, its the same thing over and over again. He's such a badly written character.
I don't know, I think if you grew up to your planet being conquered and eventually destroyed by a powerful overlord who, for all intents and purposes, stole you from your home and family, it would be understandable if you had trouble really being good. He's actually pretty accurately written.
How though? The story doesn't bring this up. We're not treated that Vegeta's inability to give up his pride is part of his huge character. It's literally...the guy gives up his pride...then he gets it back, then he gives it up again, then he gets it back.

It's literally the same thing again, and again and that's what makes it so badly written. He's a character that AT not only uses as a tool but doesn't know how to stick with something. We know Vegeta can fight for something other than his ego, we've seen that. But every single time something new comes around, Vegeta goes from either being an egotistical jerk who can't think of anything but himself to a selfless man willing to fight for something beyond him.

And it just changes back and forth.

The Cell Arc was where Vegeta finally changed to something that wasn't all about him. While the Boo Arc should've kept this, obviously something happened but once that came around that was where it became much clearer. It was now pretty much established that Vegeta might have some Saiyan pride but he's got enough control we would think to abandon that pride for the better purpose. BOG comes around and he's willing to embarrass himself in front of everyone.

At this point, Vegeta shouldn't be letting his pride and ego get the better of him but RoF comes along and we find out Vegeta is just as egotistical and prideful as before it seems. This is what I mean by a badly written character, AT has no idea where he wants Vegeta and he's literally doing the same thing over again.
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Vegeta has never for one god forsaken minute given up his pride. He hated himself for the thought of having to fuse with Goku because he doesn't like Goku, Goku lied to him, and he's outraged when he finds out its permanent as he snapped the ear ring on. He chorused the thing inside Buu soon as he could and then again on the Kai world. He inwardly was embarrassed for making a fool of himself in BoG, and in the jump special he's mad Goku steals the win. He's never given up us pride, he's made sacrifices and had moments of reflection but never let go his pride, as he makes so pointedly clear with Babadi possessing him that the one thing a real Saiyan can't have taken from him by anyone. And Goku agrees with that as he alludes to it vs Beerus by basically saying we'll swallow it but never throw it out.

And again him swinging at Goku is as much about Goku not giving him a turn and randomly deciding he got to fight first because he's Kakarot than anything else. Goku didn't even play their game for it, he just took control and decided hey I'm in charge. Goku and Vegeta both say as much at movies end when they say they don't work together
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Vegeta has as much pride as the plot requires.
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Yep Prince Vegeta's pride is similar to Princess Serenity's courage
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Vegeta only ever sets aside his pride when he knows for damn certain he can't win. It also helps that he loves his wife and son.
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