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| FutureProtagonist | Apr 22 2015, 12:47 AM Post #136 | |
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Goku and Vegeta don't actually work. It's pretty easy to be seen as hardworking when the only thing they care about in their entire lives is getting stronger. Even if somehow they found out that, excepting the people on Earth, Krillin is the strongest being in the universe, they wouldn't stop training. They don't do it to protect people, they do it because they want to. Gohan's priorities are simply different. By your logic, I can start calling Goku a lazy a***** because he never got an education. You do realize you're chastising a 5 year old for this. Goku behaved far worse when he transformed into Super Saiyan for the first time. He got off easy because Freeza wasn't willing to destroy the planet. Once again, you're blaming an eleven year old for acting childishly. Their fight lasted for practically no time at all, by which point Boo started targeting Piccolo and Goten. Yes. Let us blame Gohan for being unconscious and not using a teleportation power that he doesn't have. Won a Budokai. Lol. As if that's some kind of accomplishment. Krillin could do that in ten seconds. Not to mention that Mr. Satan profited off of Gohan's blood and sweat. Every dime that Mr. Satan gets rightfully belongs to Gohan. Goten points out that Gotenks isn't as strong as Gohan. He says nothing about Boo. Trunks says that Gotenks definitely would have won if they hadn't lost Super Saiyan 3. Check your facts next time. To compare that to Goku at the Cell Games is totally asinine. Goten and Trunks wanted to fight, they asked Gohan if they could. Goku forced Gohan to fight Cell in his stead, but not before giving Cell every advantage so that the fight is "fair". |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Apr 22 2015, 01:02 AM Post #137 | |
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I have to step in and say Gohan sure as hell ain't lazy, he's just got responsibilities that eat up a lot of his time. | |
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| Kblo247 | Apr 22 2015, 01:12 AM Post #138 | |
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@ FP. Buutenks was going to blow up the planet and Gohan was just like at cell, scared stiff. Goku teleported in and cut him in half. Goku saved him there again once things got real, while he shrunk like a scared kid again @PoS his responsibilities aren't ever alluded to as he has no job, is living with satan off his dime in this movie, and living back home eoz. He's never said to havea job, earn any money, or build anything in Z or GT. The idea of his responsibilities is limited because he doesn't earn money any one time in the manga, anime, or movies. He doesn't train his own daughter in the manga, Goku does, and in GT satan is the one responsible for things which is why pan didn't even know the Kamehameha wave, and she has more attachment to Goku, satan, Vegeta, and trunks. He reads a lot of books and dresses up as a superhero doing Ginyu dances. Gokus actually earned money to live off of. Back on topic, I honestly rather think about what someone like Pan and Bulla would do with their power. I think they could be a vast contrast from Gohan and Gotenks in terms of training and percision, and that they should be part of the movie line if it continues under the guidance of Goku and Vegeta |
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| FutureProtagonist | Apr 22 2015, 01:22 AM Post #139 | |
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The only reason Satan is Mr. Moneybags is because he got the credit for defeating Cell. Gohan was the one who actually did, ergo, that money is rightfully his. On topic, my opinion is that since God is so frickin easy, every single Saiyan should have the powerup. Why not? Edited by FutureProtagonist, Apr 22 2015, 01:22 AM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Apr 22 2015, 01:28 AM Post #140 | |
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Yes they are. Gohan became a scholar, spends time with his wife, and attends to his child. He would literally have no time to train.
Transforming is easy, but absorbing it apparently isn't since Beerus noted that it was impressive. If he managed to do it, cool, but I don't think he can. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Apr 22 2015, 01:30 AM.
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 22 2015, 01:37 AM Post #141 | |
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I don't know, I think if you grew up to your planet being conquered and eventually destroyed by a powerful overlord who, for all intents and purposes, stole you from your home and family, it would be understandable if you had trouble really being good. He's actually pretty accurately written. |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Apr 22 2015, 01:47 AM Post #142 | |
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but then Resurrection of Boo, when Boo absorbs Kaioshin-powered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 3 Son Gohan, and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Gogeta has to rescue his irrelevant *ss. I miss Son Gohan
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| Kblo247 | Apr 22 2015, 02:08 AM Post #143 | |
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Then it's actually Gokus since he cut in and saved Gohan. But anyhow you seem to be missing the point. God is easy to get for a short period of time. Any Saiyan can get it given to them, aside from Gotenks. Not every Saiyan can retain the power. 1/3 Saiyans didn't. Goku and Vegeta did, but Goku and Vegeta train every single day and push themselves to the point of keeping that power and adding to it with their ssj energy. Goten and Trunks are weaker and rusty in the Abo Cado special. They have weakened from where they were as kids back in the Buu saga, thus Gotenks is weaker, hell you can infer ssj3 isn't easy anymore for him since he doesn't to to it anymore. Gohan has gotten weaker and admittedly had to question if he could go first level super again. They wouldn't just keep the power level from sitting on their butts, hell they haven't kept their levels from Buu saga, and that means they sure won't go blue. Its a waste of time to focus on this generation they need to focus on the girls imo. And once again jaut because you go red and firey doesn't mean you can keep the power, Beerus notes Goku and Vegeta ares special Edited by Kblo247, Apr 22 2015, 02:10 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Apr 22 2015, 02:37 AM Post #144 | |
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That's exactly what would happen. Gohan would get the coolest new transformation on the block and get absorbed or rendered useless somehow by the new villain just so Goku and/or Vegeta could get the final shot of glory. Precisely. |
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| EMIYA | Apr 22 2015, 02:49 AM Post #145 | |
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How though? The story doesn't bring this up. We're not treated that Vegeta's inability to give up his pride is part of his huge character. It's literally...the guy gives up his pride...then he gets it back, then he gives it up again, then he gets it back. It's literally the same thing again, and again and that's what makes it so badly written. He's a character that AT not only uses as a tool but doesn't know how to stick with something. We know Vegeta can fight for something other than his ego, we've seen that. But every single time something new comes around, Vegeta goes from either being an egotistical jerk who can't think of anything but himself to a selfless man willing to fight for something beyond him. And it just changes back and forth. The Cell Arc was where Vegeta finally changed to something that wasn't all about him. While the Boo Arc should've kept this, obviously something happened but once that came around that was where it became much clearer. It was now pretty much established that Vegeta might have some Saiyan pride but he's got enough control we would think to abandon that pride for the better purpose. BOG comes around and he's willing to embarrass himself in front of everyone. At this point, Vegeta shouldn't be letting his pride and ego get the better of him but RoF comes along and we find out Vegeta is just as egotistical and prideful as before it seems. This is what I mean by a badly written character, AT has no idea where he wants Vegeta and he's literally doing the same thing over again. |
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| Kblo247 | Apr 22 2015, 03:21 AM Post #146 | |
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Vegeta has never for one god forsaken minute given up his pride. He hated himself for the thought of having to fuse with Goku because he doesn't like Goku, Goku lied to him, and he's outraged when he finds out its permanent as he snapped the ear ring on. He chorused the thing inside Buu soon as he could and then again on the Kai world. He inwardly was embarrassed for making a fool of himself in BoG, and in the jump special he's mad Goku steals the win. He's never given up us pride, he's made sacrifices and had moments of reflection but never let go his pride, as he makes so pointedly clear with Babadi possessing him that the one thing a real Saiyan can't have taken from him by anyone. And Goku agrees with that as he alludes to it vs Beerus by basically saying we'll swallow it but never throw it out. And again him swinging at Goku is as much about Goku not giving him a turn and randomly deciding he got to fight first because he's Kakarot than anything else. Goku didn't even play their game for it, he just took control and decided hey I'm in charge. Goku and Vegeta both say as much at movies end when they say they don't work together Edited by Kblo247, Apr 22 2015, 03:24 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Apr 22 2015, 03:26 AM Post #147 | |
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Vegeta has as much pride as the plot requires. | |
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| Kblo247 | Apr 22 2015, 03:32 AM Post #148 | |
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Yep Prince Vegeta's pride is similar to Princess Serenity's courage | |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Apr 22 2015, 01:12 PM Post #149 | |
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Vegeta only ever sets aside his pride when he knows for damn certain he can't win. It also helps that he loves his wife and son.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Apr 22 2015, 01:13 PM.
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| AkiyoSSJ | Apr 22 2015, 05:36 PM Post #150 | |
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