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Majin vegeta question
Topic Started: Apr 15 2015, 01:09 AM (742 Views)
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Someone made a thread about this a while ago and I forgot what the explanation was

If ssj draws energy from latent power, how is majin vegeta able to go ssj1 and ssj2? Babadi unlocked all his potential and more. So how is he transforming?
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His potential is in his SSJ2 form. It is not like Gohan's "Fantastic" ritual.
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Because SSj2 goes further into the latent power. Since SSj2 is Vegeta's max at the time, that's the end of his potential.
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

Even though there's no real answer, I would assume that Pre-Majin Vegeta still had a reservoir of ki that he couldn't access, even though transforming.
The Majin Posession simply unlocked this reservoir; heightening the power of his strongest form, Super Saiyan 2. So even though all his ki is unlocked, his un-transformed body isn't conditioned to use it all at once like Ultimate Gohan is.

Rou Dai Kaioshin's ki unlock ceremony seems to condition the body to be able to use all the former latent ki reserves without the need to transform.
Bobbidi's unlock seems just to fully unlocks the reserve, but doesn't condition the users body to use it all at once. So they still have a latent reserve, but it's just only accessible though transformations; or it simply maxes their regular body out.
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Could that explain that small boost that he achieved from Babidi?
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I always had a hard time seeing the line between Majin being a potential unlock and Vegeta saying that being evil was the key.
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Gohan's power-up from the Elder Kaioshin came with the added bonus of "reorganizing" his power and placing it all in his base form. Vegeta's power-up from Bobbidi did not.
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I never considered Super Saiyan being part of a Saiyans latent power. I always just thought the base power was their real power, and Super Saiyan multiplied it. Babidi brought Vegeta's hidden power out in base, and then SSj2 added to that.
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Apr 15 2015, 02:05 AM
I never considered Super Saiyan being part of a Saiyans latent power. I always just thought the base power was their real power, and Super Saiyan multiplied it. Babidi brought Vegeta's hidden power out in base, and then SSj2 added to that.
If it's as simple as multiplication, why was it a legend at one-point then? Like mightiest in the universe.
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Apr 16 2015, 12:04 AM
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Apr 15 2015, 02:05 AM
I never considered Super Saiyan being part of a Saiyans latent power. I always just thought the base power was their real power, and Super Saiyan multiplied it. Babidi brought Vegeta's hidden power out in base, and then SSj2 added to that.
If it's as simple as multiplication, why was it a legend at one-point then? Like mightiest in the universe.
Because multiplying your power by 50 is still a pretty huge thing lol, it could even potentially be a much larger boost than simply unlocking your hidden power. Especially since all Saiyans were in the 1,000-10,000 range, even the weakest of Saiyans would be ~x5 stronger than the king.
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Apr 16 2015, 12:07 AM
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Apr 16 2015, 12:04 AM
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Apr 15 2015, 02:05 AM
I never considered Super Saiyan being part of a Saiyans latent power. I always just thought the base power was their real power, and Super Saiyan multiplied it. Babidi brought Vegeta's hidden power out in base, and then SSj2 added to that.
If it's as simple as multiplication, why was it a legend at one-point then? Like mightiest in the universe.
Because multiplying your power by 50 is still a pretty huge thing lol, it could even potentially be a much larger boost than simply unlocking your hidden power. Especially since all Saiyans were in the 1,000-10,000 range, even the weakest of Saiyans would be ~x5 stronger than the king.
Yeah but it doesn't add up.

If it were as simple as multiplication. The legend just wouldn't make sense if SSj were just as simple as that.
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Apr 16 2015, 12:09 AM
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Apr 16 2015, 12:07 AM
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Apr 16 2015, 12:04 AM
Clearin
Apr 15 2015, 02:05 AM
I never considered Super Saiyan being part of a Saiyans latent power. I always just thought the base power was their real power, and Super Saiyan multiplied it. Babidi brought Vegeta's hidden power out in base, and then SSj2 added to that.
If it's as simple as multiplication, why was it a legend at one-point then? Like mightiest in the universe.
Because multiplying your power by 50 is still a pretty huge thing lol, it could even potentially be a much larger boost than simply unlocking your hidden power. Especially since all Saiyans were in the 1,000-10,000 range, even the weakest of Saiyans would be ~x5 stronger than the king.
Yeah but it doesn't add up.

If it were as simple as multiplication. The legend just wouldn't make sense if SSj were just as simple as that.
I don't see why it wouldn't make sense. Multiplying your power by 50 is no joke, especially at that point in time when power levels were all close to each other. Unlocking your potential has the ability to be a huge joke (Majin Vegeta likely didn't even go up by x2 depending on how you weak you had him before hand). At least one method has a guaranteed threat involved with it, the other has a bit of a dice roll.
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Apr 16 2015, 12:13 AM
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Apr 16 2015, 12:09 AM
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Apr 16 2015, 12:07 AM
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Apr 16 2015, 12:04 AM
Clearin
Apr 15 2015, 02:05 AM
I never considered Super Saiyan being part of a Saiyans latent power. I always just thought the base power was their real power, and Super Saiyan multiplied it. Babidi brought Vegeta's hidden power out in base, and then SSj2 added to that.
If it's as simple as multiplication, why was it a legend at one-point then? Like mightiest in the universe.
Because multiplying your power by 50 is still a pretty huge thing lol, it could even potentially be a much larger boost than simply unlocking your hidden power. Especially since all Saiyans were in the 1,000-10,000 range, even the weakest of Saiyans would be ~x5 stronger than the king.
Yeah but it doesn't add up.

If it were as simple as multiplication. The legend just wouldn't make sense if SSj were just as simple as that.
I don't see why it wouldn't make sense. Multiplying your power by 50 is no joke, especially at that point in time when power levels were all close to each other. Unlocking your potential has the ability to be a huge joke (Majin Vegeta likely didn't even go up by x2 depending on how you weak you had him before hand). At least one method has a guaranteed threat involved with it, the other has a bit of a dice roll.
OK, then what if it's just nothing like multiplication or even potential unlock?

Just some random reserve added to the power of the Saiyan. But a massive one that can increase when the Saiyan trains, too.
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I agree with clearin. The saiyans base power is there real power. The SSJ forms simply multiply the base power by 50 and up depending on the form. So where vegeta's latent power was unleashed, it happened in his base form then multiplied in his SSJ forms. Just like when Gohan unleashed his hidden power on Cell, Gohan's hidden power was released in his base form then multiplied in his SSJ forms.
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