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Pamput vs. the 21st Budokai finalists
Topic Started: Apr 11 2015, 06:35 PM (2,049 Views)
Thiln
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Those were not tree columns. Goku first encountered Yamcha in the desert, that's where they fought. His moniker is "The Desert Bandit" for a reason, because it's in geographically arid regions of the DB world where he carried out his raiding of travelers and their possessions.

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The nearest vegetation is atop one of these aforementioned outcrops and it's distinctively parched under an intense sun. Toriyama emphasised the effects of the desert sun not only on the surrounding terrain, but the characters as well.

I'm not a physics expert, but the fact that Yamcha's attack imparted Goku's body with enough kinetic energy to propel him through the air at a velocity that was causing him to destroy multiple rock pillars seems more impressive than Pamput transferring all of his directly into the connected barrier and brick columns.
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They look a lot like tree columns to me.....either way you can tell by the way they broke apart and the shape of them that their not all that hard. The stadium wall was made out of BRICKS, you know those big wide red things? That's what Pamput broke.

How? That's like killing someone by knocking them off an airplane. It's not your strength that kill them it's the force and gravity that would. I'm not saying Yamcha's attacks were weak but gravity added a lot more than you think to them. Pamput broke that wall with nothing but raw strength and based off his reaction afterward he was just warming up so no he didn't put all of his strength directly into it.
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I don't know what else to say. Those protrusions weren't trees. The remnants and debris don't look like wood chips and broken logs to me. I could try using scenes from the anime since they're coloured to offer a better perspective, but I doubt they would be viable evidence in a discussion concerning the manga.

Your analogy entails someone being dropped from an altitude of about like 39,000 ft (typical for a lot of commercial flights). At that height, they're not even in the same layer of atmosphere. Mount Everest is over 8,800 metres high, or roughly 29,000 feet. They would probably suffer from Hypoxia before they could do anything since you pretty much need specialised equipment to endure a jump from that altitude.

Can you imagine what the gravitational potential energy for a descent like that would be? It's incomparable to what Yamcha did to Goku because he was only propelled up maybe a few dozen feet up from the ground. The angle of his momentum as he was crashing through those outcrop pillars was mostly horizontal with only a slight gradual increase in vertical height. His gravitational potential energy wouldn't be that great. For Pamput, even if he was only "warming up" while destroying the brick columns (we don't know what mineral exactly those outcrop pillars were made from, they could be more durable depending on the material since brick is made from clay), it's the only benchmark we can use for him.
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They were shaped similar to trees but yeah they aren't. However my point is going by the structure and coloring of it breaking them doesn't seem to be an incredibly difficult feat to accomplish. In fact real trees would most likely be harder to break since they are actually made of wood.

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This is how the stadium wall looks. What else do we need to know? We can clearly see that their made out of bricks. Can you please explain to me how a brick wall is less sturdy than rock columns or whatever that is?

I know it was a bad example no need to bring mathematics into this, I doubt Toriyama thinks about all of that anyway but naturally propelling someone into an object is going to make it easier to break than using raw strength no matter what the atmosphere is like.

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Well, it's like I said, brick is created from clay, also other things like sand and concrete, and its sturdiness is dependent on the quality of manufacturing. There are some natural rocks and minerals tougher than man-made brick - granite, on average, would classify as one such type. There's also the scale of mineral hardness with diamond being the toughest. But we don't know what kind of rock exactly Goku was pushed through. If I had to guess, it could be sandstone.
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I agree with Thilin it doesn't look like Yamcha launched Goku into trees and even if they were trees I thnk the striking power needed to launch a boy a decent distance and still have him fly through trees >> the striking power needed to demolish a brick wall.
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