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Why does Nintendo get a free pass all the time?
Topic Started: Apr 4 2015, 11:50 PM (3,232 Views)
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Oh yea, of course... for most people that would be the case. But for some, experiencing the story being told is all they're after... and why would those people need to pay a cent when they can simply watch it on YouTube?


How does that translate to them owing Nintendo money?

Those people are already doubting if they should buy the game, its more like the other way around. When gamers are doubtful, they read reviews and watch reviews. Their minds are half made up already, they just want something to convince them to purchase the game. After watching someone play and if they like the game, its profit for Nintendo, if they don't like it, they have already made half their mind up before watching youtube.

if Nintendo are smart, they should allow youtube players like theRadBrad to play their game and allow people to watch them. It made me want to buy Bloodborne and middle earth and play it for myself.

https://www.youtube.com/user/theRadBrad/featured

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Apr 7 2015, 09:06 AM
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Oh yea, of course... for most people that would be the case. But for some, experiencing the story being told is all they're after... and why would those people need to pay a cent when they can simply watch it on YouTube?
How does that translate to them owing Nintendo money?
If you purchased a movie... then uploaded said movie to YouTube but with your commentary over it, while making money off of it... should you not feel obligated to owe the creators of the movie something?

The people I'm describing are the people who play the game for the story... not the interactivity or anything along those lines... all they're after is the narrative.


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Apr 7 2015, 09:06 AM
Those people are already doubting if they should buy the game, its more like the other way around. When gamers are doubtful, they read reviews and watch reviews. Their minds are half made up already, they just want something to convince them to purchase the game. After watching someone play and if they like the game, its profit for Nintendo, if they don't like it, they have already made half their mind up before watching youtube.
A review with some clips of the game? Sure.

A "Let's Play" with the entire campaign? Go home.

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It's different in that everyone sees a movie in the same way while playing a game is completely different from watching a game be played. Personally I don't like the idea that they want to double dip like that and it's probably going to bite them in the a***, but meh.

As for the topic, EA and Ubisoft went through a faze of dropping turds on the general public and have only really snowballed since. People drop the hate bomb on them because they make it easy to do so. Nintendo at least is consistent in the fact that their games are nicely done, one lame policy does not a bad company make.

Personally I can list a whole bunch of stuff EA has done that have irked me to no end.
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If you purchased a movie... then uploaded said movie to YouTube but with your commentary over it, while making money off of it... should you not feel obligated to owe the creators of the movie something?

The people I'm describing are the people who play the game for the story... not the interactivity or anything along those lines... all they're after is the narrative.


No, no... the movie experience is different compared to a gaming experience. It's like apple and oranges.

For 1, the difference between watching the movie at the cinema or pirated copy is the experience itself. The quality of the picture and surround sound may be better at the theaters, but nevertheless you're still watching the exact same movie.

While you may be able to watch someone play a game (i.e Gaming service like "Twitch" or YouTube), its totally different if you hold the controls and play the game yourself.

Grand Turismo, Mass Effect 2, Half-Life 2, Call of Duty 5, Grand Theft Auto 5, are examples of games that you need to control the controller to play the game.

You can't say watching someone drive and you driving yourself is the same thing.


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Apr 8 2015, 02:03 AM
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If you purchased a movie... then uploaded said movie to YouTube but with your commentary over it, while making money off of it... should you not feel obligated to owe the creators of the movie something?

The people I'm describing are the people who play the game for the story... not the interactivity or anything along those lines... all they're after is the narrative.


No, no... the movie experience is different compared to a gaming experience. It's like apple and oranges.

For 1, the difference between watching the movie at the cinema or pirated copy is the experience itself. The quality of the picture and surround sound may be better at the theaters, but nevertheless you're still watching the exact same movie.

While you may be able to watch someone play a game (i.e Gaming service like "Twitch" or YouTube), its totally different if you hold the controls and play the game yourself.

Grand Turismo, Mass Effect 2, Half-Life 2, Call of Duty 5, Grand Theft Auto 5, are examples of games that you need to control the controller to play the game.

You can't say watching someone drive and you driving yourself is the same thing.
I specifically noted that this only applies to people who are only interested in the story presented in the game.

Obviously, this would be more applicable to a game like "The Last of Us" than to one like "Gran Turismo".
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Apr 8 2015, 02:03 AM
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If you purchased a movie... then uploaded said movie to YouTube but with your commentary over it, while making money off of it... should you not feel obligated to owe the creators of the movie something?

The people I'm describing are the people who play the game for the story... not the interactivity or anything along those lines... all they're after is the narrative.


No, no... the movie experience is different compared to a gaming experience. It's like apple and oranges.

For 1, the difference between watching the movie at the cinema or pirated copy is the experience itself. The quality of the picture and surround sound may be better at the theaters, but nevertheless you're still watching the exact same movie.

While you may be able to watch someone play a game (i.e Gaming service like "Twitch" or YouTube), its totally different if you hold the controls and play the game yourself.

Grand Turismo, Mass Effect 2, Half-Life 2, Call of Duty 5, Grand Theft Auto 5, are examples of games that you need to control the controller to play the game.

You can't say watching someone drive and you driving yourself is the same thing.
I specifically noted that this only applies to people who are only interested in the story presented in the game.

Obviously, this would be more applicable to a game like "The Last of Us" than to one like "Gran Turismo".
I see your point, but Konami and Naughty Dog never really did what Nintendo did requesting 40% of the profit from a community based provider like YouTube.

You can see YouTubers share their experiences and post gameplay of MGS4 showing off their speed run in completing the game under 4 hours. I actually found it very helpful watching the guy complete the game on the hardest settings and complete in 3 hours and 20 mins.





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Apr 7 2015, 11:39 AM
Nintendo at least is consistent in the fact that their games are nicely done, one lame policy does not a bad company make.
That's true but the issue is that whenever Nintendo does something bad it's passed off because they "make good games"

What kind of excuse is that for being so greedy?


They don't need to claim this 40%, nobody big does LP's of something nobody wants to see they wouldn't do it if it wasn't popular.
Maybe the LP'er might get frustrated with the game at times but there's still millions of people watching consistently and if the game does it's job a large portion of them will buy it.


Gameplay videos are why I buy games these days, reviews or and a trailer don't cut it. Opinions from a real person and footage of actual gameplay seals the deal.
Just because not every game gets 10/10 doesn't mean I won't buy it even if the YouTuber gives it 2/10 if the game caters to me I'll still get it.

YouTube is an extremely powerful resource and their abusing the people who get them a s*** ton of money.

Look at the damage negative reviews from YouTubers do, considering Nintendo games pretty much always get positive reviews what could they possibly lose...
Battlefield Hardline is a trainwreck because people have exposed how cheap and s***ty it is.

Developers said "Just as much content as Battlefield 4" which people showed it completely does not.
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Nintendo at least is consistent in the fact that their games are nicely done, one lame policy does not a bad company make.
That's true but the issue is that whenever Nintendo does something bad it's passed off because they "make good games"

What kind of excuse is that for being so greedy?


They don't need to claim this 40%, nobody big does LP's of something nobody wants to see they wouldn't do it if it wasn't popular.
Maybe the LP'er might get frustrated with the game at times but there's still millions of people watching consistently and if the game does it's job a large portion of them will buy it.
The only people I've seen pass it off though are people who either agree that revenue shouldn't be made by playing games, or people who don't particularly care in general. If it's being passed off it's because Nintendo still has an effective business model and areas where they're lacking are made up for in others, this is apposed to other companies (gonna drop EA in it again) who actually have a model where the customers are the "entitled" ones who don't know what they want.

If there's a decline in sales because of this then they're either going to suck it up, or use smart business judgement and cut those ties. I imaging a constant stream of flack from customers would make them change their mind as well (kinda like what this thread is doing actually). Because essentially they're serving customers and if the customers don't want to have anything to do with you, what the hell are you doing.

Heck, I'm with you that it's crap but I still love my Pokemon and love my Fire Emblem so I'm not all that bothered. This ain't no Dungeon Keeper app for mobile is all I'm saying :bang:
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Its time to walk away from nintendo.

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Nobody's going to walk away from Nintendo. This policy isn't going to have a huge impact on many big Nintendo fans, and while it's a big hit to youtubers who post Nintendo gameplay/footage, people largely aren't going to boycott Nintendo. If this backlash works and Nintendo gets with the times, happy days for all. If not, I'll be disappointed in Nintendo but I'll still stick with them, as I'm a huge fan of their games.
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Guys, you are searching in all the wrong places. Nintendo does get a lot of flack for their stupid Youtube policy. Go to Google News and search "Nintendo Youtube policy" and you'll see how much negative journalism there is about it.
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I'd imagine the only people who care about Nintendo taking some profits from their gameplay videos on Youtube are people who post their gameplay videos on Youtube. Frankly I don't see the big deal, I think getting paid just for playing a game and talking over it is amazingly stupid in the first place. If you're going to try and make a living off something so lazy Nintendo deserves some of that money imo. They're providing literally most of the content that gets them paid, while all they do is talk over the footage.
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Apr 9 2015, 05:18 PM
I'd imagine the only people who care about Nintendo taking some profits from their gameplay videos on Youtube are people who post their gameplay videos on Youtube. Frankly I don't see the big deal, I think getting paid just for playing a game and talking over it is amazingly stupid in the first place. If you're going to try and make a living off something so lazy Nintendo deserves some of that money imo. They're providing literally most of the content that gets them paid, while all they do is talk over the footage.
They don't get paid for playing a game and talking over it, they get paid for getting views. If you're getting enough viewers to make it the point where you get paid, I guarantee you it's not as easy as playing a game and talking over it. You have to be consistently interesting (you have to be able to improvise, it's a performance), your videos have to be of consistent quality, you need some equipment, you need to edit the videos and you need to provide the content on time; someone who half-asses it for fun isn't going to be making money on it.

Furthermore, it's not as if they're getting the game for free, unless they are, in which case it's basically advertising.
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Yeah go look at YouTubers who LP games and are all like "ummm...so I go...here...and do...this and um...yeah..uh" in a monotone voice and see how popular they are vs the entertainers like PewDiePie, Markiplier, Captain Sparklez, AngryJoe, Syndicate Project etc etc etc

I mean at this stage PewDiePie can upload anything and he's sure to get millions of views but it's not like he never put effort in to get that far, it isn't a job that necessarily requires a lot of skill but a lot of charisma and it's very demanding.

These people definitely deserve money for advertising for Nintendo.



But what about Amiibo's? This is another thing Nintendo are doing horribly wrong, they're deliberately not producing enough of them so price goes up and up, getting tons of money and f***ing over loyal fans in the process...all for overpriced as f*** glorified DLC.
I look on Amazon right now, Gold Mario going for £300...
There's so little that collectors are forced to buy them off Ebay and whatnot for ridiculous prices like that.

They're even trying to pin the blame on retailers...who obviously have no control over how much stock they can get.

Everyone moans about DLC but when Nintendo does it this way barely anybody speaks out about it other than people who can't get the Amiibo they want or people already fed up with Nintendo.


Even though Disney Infinity and Skylanders(published by Activision no less) have no issues meeting demand and don't try to pull this crap on their fans.
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Nintendo are a*** holes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeZMo2WZPls

3.57: nintendo are greedy man, and they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFr4rsqZMt4

2.57: nintendo are stuck in their own little world, rockstar games, valve adapted.

Nintendo are idiots
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