ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 6 2015, 09:02 PM

What? Do Piccolo, Gohan, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Kame-sennin, and Jaco do nothing in Resurrection F, or did I imagine all that? As for Battle of Gods, everyone lost in that film, so I'm gonna have to say you're wrong. Gohan, Piccolo, 18, Gotenks, Tenshinhan and Boo all fought and to no avail, just like Goku and Vegeta.

Raiken

Apr 6 2015, 09:05 PM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 6 2015, 09:02 PM

What? Do Piccolo, Gohan, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Kame-sennin, and Jaco do nothing in Resurrection F, or did I imagine all that? As for Battle of Gods, everyone lost in that film, so I'm gonna have to say you're wrong. Gohan, Piccolo, 18, Gotenks, Tenshinhan and Boo all fought and to no avail, just like Goku and Vegeta.

They had fodder roles.

My last post, the characters I mentioned all took on main enemies in major battles throughout the Arcs.

Now the only ones who have significant roles are Goku and Vegeta.

It seems you completely missed the point of my post.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 6 2015, 09:19 PM

Raiken

Apr 6 2015, 09:05 PM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 6 2015, 09:02 PM

What? Do Piccolo, Gohan, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Kame-sennin, and Jaco do nothing in Resurrection F, or did I imagine all that? As for Battle of Gods, everyone lost in that film, so I'm gonna have to say you're wrong. Gohan, Piccolo, 18, Gotenks, Tenshinhan and Boo all fought and to no avail, just like Goku and Vegeta.

They had fodder roles.

My last post, the characters I mentioned all took on main enemies in major battles throughout the Arcs.

Now the only ones who have significant roles are Goku and Vegeta.

It seems you completely missed the point of my post.

Fodder or not, all they essentially do is stall for Goku to deal the final blow. The Cell Games, and Battle of Gods to some extent, were the only exceptions to that. At the very least, we're seeing the Earthlings fight, which is more than I can say for anything post Freeza. Furthermore, I have to ask, how do you suppose they'll make the others relevant? Gohan has no interest in fighting, so I doubt he'd even be able to absorb SSJ God, and even if he did, he'd have no drive to continue getting stronger. With Piccolo, who even knows?

Raiken

Apr 6 2015, 09:25 PM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 6 2015, 09:19 PM

Raiken

Apr 6 2015, 09:05 PM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 6 2015, 09:02 PM

What? Do Piccolo, Gohan, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Kame-sennin, and Jaco do nothing in Resurrection F, or did I imagine all that? As for Battle of Gods, everyone lost in that film, so I'm gonna have to say you're wrong. Gohan, Piccolo, 18, Gotenks, Tenshinhan and Boo all fought and to no avail, just like Goku and Vegeta.

They had fodder roles.

My last post, the characters I mentioned all took on main enemies in major battles throughout the Arcs.

Now the only ones who have significant roles are Goku and Vegeta.

It seems you completely missed the point of my post.

Fodder or not, all they essentially do is stall for Goku to deal the final blow. The Cell Games, and Battle of Gods to some extent, were the only exceptions to that. At the very least, we're seeing the Earthlings fight, which is more than I can say for anything post Freeza. Furthermore, I have to ask, how do you suppose they'll make the others relevant? Gohan has no interest in fighting, so I doubt he'd even be able to absorb SSJ God, and even if he did, he'd have no drive to continue getting stronger. With Piccolo, who even knows?

It's too late now, that's why it sucks.

If he was going to carry on DBZ, Battle of Gods should have been different if they were going to keep the likes of Gotenks and Gohan relevant.

But it really is apparent in the way they are wrote that the only two characters the creators give a s*** about is Goku and Vegeta, former main characters like Gohan, Piccolo and Gotenks are just fodder now.
What winds me up is that in the Buu Arc and later parts of the Cell Arc, Gohan was more of a main character than Vegeta, and he was completely fodderized in BoG's onwards.

That's why I'm a Manga Purist, the way things ended with Buu, I was perfectly happy about it.
Was nothing learnt from Dragonball GT, sometimes carrying on a good thing for too long can ruin what made it good in the first place.
Dragonball is being milked yet again.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 6 2015, 09:02 PM

What? Do Piccolo, Gohan, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Kame-sennin, and Jaco do nothing in Resurrection F, or did I imagine all that? As for Battle of Gods, everyone lost in that film, so I'm gonna have to say you're wrong. Gohan, Piccolo, 18, Gotenks, Tenshinhan and Boo all fought and to no avail, just like Goku and Vegeta.

Emmeth

Apr 3 2015, 01:08 PM

AT has drawn and written the Resurrection of F in manga form. Since that's the case, why can't it be considered canon?

Raiken

Apr 20 2015, 10:27 PM

The plot of Revival of F is just one massive a*** pull, worse than Battle of Gods.

Battle of Gods:

Good Points:
Concept of Gods, the strongest beings and rulers of the Universe, above the Supreme Kais.
The Concept of God Ki. An interesting fresh new idea.
Villain type was somewhat new and refreshing to see in Dragonball.

Bad Points:
Fundementals set during the Buu Arc about power levels and characters were changed significantly:
Gohan's role as one of the main three was scrapped in favour of just Goku and Vegeta.
Power levels went from, Ultimate Gohan >>>> SSJ3 Goku >>>> SSJ2 Vegeta to SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku =? Ultimate Gohan.
Gohan's likeable elements were basically transferred to Vegeta, Rage Boosts and all.
The power levels were scaled a bit too far in my opinion, having Beerus > SSJ3 Vegetto seemed a bit extreme.

Revival of F:

Good Points:

The new mastery of God Ki in Base and Super Saiyan as opposed to the temporary Saiyan God form with a time-limit. A cool concept.

Bad Points:

Gohan further thrown into the trash heap, wasn't even positive if he could go Super Saiyan. Now comparable to Piccolo, who was left behind as far back as the Cell Games, when Gohan was the strongest un-fused Character at the end of Z by a large margin.
Frieza's power increase from 4 months of training is completely absurd, he went from Initial SSJ level that we see in the Frieza Saga and Trunks Saga, to more powerful than Ultimate Gohan. It's just pure, complete, plot, movie, money making bulls***.
Also Frieza spawning Armour in the regeneration tank, what the hell?

It basically seems that Battle of Gods/Revival of F get everything set in motion throughout the whole of Dragonball Z in regards to Gohan's character, everything we know about him and how the series went, and basically went.... nahhhhh, and threw it in the bin.

The original Manga is the only True Canon.

Battle of Gods and Revival of F are a:
1: Plot driven mess full of holes and apparent scrapping of previous plot lines and established knowledge.
2: Is solely out there to make money, it's a forced continuation for something that should have ended after Goku defeated Frieza, and if not then, when Gohan defeated Cell. I can even accept the way the Manga ended, but Battle of Gods and Revival of F is terribly forced and just.... bad.

Battle of Gods and Revival of F are simply, Massive Sellouts.
And I would never consider the pile of money driven crap they are to be Canon.

Thiln

Apr 20 2015, 11:02 PM

Personally, I miss the days when characters like Tien, Yamcha, Krillin, and Chiaotzu could come onto a battlefield and be perceived as legitimate adversaries instead of laughable off-hand fodder reduced to near-death states in one strike by things hundreds of times stronger than themselves.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 20 2015, 11:06 PM

Thiln

Apr 20 2015, 11:02 PM

Personally, I miss the days when characters like Tien, Yamcha, Krillin, and Chiaotzu could come onto a battlefield and be perceived as legitimate adversaries instead of laughable off-hand fodder reduced to near-death states in one strike by things hundreds of times stronger than themselves.

To be fair, Resurrection F does try to rectify that oversight.